How to convert movie without Black Bars to fit full LCD

[shrikant.tillu]

How to convert movie with size 640x272 to fit LCD full view without Black Bars.

[Baldrick]

And what is the LCD size/aspect ratio?

Can't you zoom on your media player?

[jagabo]

That's a 2.35:1 movie. To maintain the proper aspect ratio on a 16:9 TV you'll have to crop 78 lines off the left and right edges, leaving 484x272. Then when you watch it on the 16:9 TV you will get a big blurry picture. So don't bother. What's wrong with seeing the movie at its intended aspect ratio?

[NoBuddy]

You remind me of my neighbour. He doesn´t like black bars also.
Watches an old 4:3 Movie at fullscreen - and he likes it....
He has no problem, when planet earth looks like a big cigarre.
So stretch your image, zoom in or whatever... Maybe you like that blurry, blocky, distorted but without black bars picture more.

[shrikant.tillu]

And what is the LCD size/aspect ratio?

Can't you zoom on your media player?

Yes that I can do but I wanted to know whether I can convert the movie full screen to play directly on the LCD.The black bars are visible on vlc player but not on Avidemux or Virtual dub hence I cannot crop the movie using these applications.
Thanks for immediate reply.
Aspect ratio is 2.35:1 and LCD sony 40" wide screen

[Ai Haibara]

That means that the bars are likely not in the video itself, and that VLC is adding them to maintain the proper aspect ratio while playing it back.

Use MediaInfo, in Tree/Text view, to get more information about the video and cut and paste the information here, so we can be sure.

[shrikant.tillu]

That means that the bars are likely not in the video itself, and that VLC is adding them to maintain the proper aspect ratio while playing it back.

No No on LCD or on computer monitor also these are visible.

[Ai Haibara]

Then, whatever you're using to play it on those also may be adding the bars, to keep the aspect ratio correct. What does MediaInfo say about the video?

[jagabo]

The black bars are visible on vlc player but not on Avidemux or Virtual dub hence I cannot crop the movie using these applications.

That means the black bars are not part of the picture, they are being added by VLC when it plays the video full screen. The video is being displayed correctly.

If you really want the 2.35:1 movie to fill your 16:9 screen I already told you want to do. But the result will be worse image quality from reencoding and a bigger, blurrier picture.

[shrikant.tillu]

The black bars are visible on vlc player but not on Avidemux or Virtual dub hence I cannot crop the movie using these applications.

That means the black bars are not part of the picture, they are being added by VLC when it plays it full screen. The video is being displayed correctly. If you really want the 2.35:1 movie to fill your 16:9 screen I already told you want to do. But the result will be worse image quality from reencoding and a bigger, blurrier picture.

Thanks
I want to change the size only if the quality is not hampered.

[shrikant.tillu]

Then, whatever you're using to play it on those also may be adding the bars, to keep the aspect ratio correct. What does MediaInfo say about the video?

Codec 4cc xvid,640x272,,Frame rate 25000fbs, 2.35:1 movie.
Thanks for on line reply
I have attached the 8.27 MB movie clip to the reply given by me to "jagabo"

[shrikant.tillu]

The black bars are visible on vlc player but not on Avidemux or Virtual dub hence I cannot crop the movie using these applications.

That means the black bars are not part of the picture, they are being added by VLC when it plays the video full screen. The video is being displayed correctly.

If you really want the 2.35:1 movie to fill your 16:9 screen I already told you want to do. But the result will be worse image quality from reencoding and a bigger, blurrier picture.

It is 2.35:1 movie

[jagabo]

I want to change the size only if the quality is not hampered.

If you can live with an MKV file you can "crop" the video without reencoding, retaining all the image quality. Open the AVI with MMG (Add button). Highlight the video track and go to the Format Specific Options tab. In the Cropping box type in 78,0,78,0. Set the Output Filename and press Start Muxing. That will create an MKV file with the cropping options set to reduce the video to 16:9. VLC will fit the cropped frame to the entire 16:9 monitor when played full screen (other players may not). Of course, you'll be missing the left and right portions of the picture.

If you'd rather stretch the picture, instead of setting the Cropping option set the Aspect Ratio option to 16:9.

[shrikant.tillu]

I have created 49 second file 8.27MB.which is attached for your study.

[jagabo]

Attached is a remux with the MKV cropping feature. VLC obeys the crop setting (bottom), MPCHC doesn't (top):



If that's not enough to dissuade you from cropping the picture, maybe this is:



This movie was intended to be viewed as 2.20:1, you should watch it that way. As you can see, the director carefully composed the shots to take advantage of the 2.20:1 aspect ratio.

[shrikant.tillu]

.mkv is not working through usb .It requires xvid to view the movie through usb on sony LCD. Moreover in your video clip there is no sound.

[Hoser Rob]

... "the director carefully composed the shots to take advantage of the 2.20:1 aspect ratio" ....

That's the point missed by all these people who want to watch cinemascope in 16:9 without black bars. When they convert / crop video releases to taller aspect ratios they'll adjust the framing so you don't completely lose the framing that the director and DP worked so hard on.

You don't have that option when simply cropping. If there's a scene where 2 characters are far apart you may not be able to see one or both of them.

In other words, it looks worse than black bars.

Plus, that's a lot of bother. Most movie releases are in 2.35:1.

My advice:

Sit closer to the TV.

[jagabo]

Moreover in your video clip there is no sound.

You don't need sound to see if the player support mkv cropping.

[edDV]

... "the director carefully composed the shots to take advantage of the 2.20:1 aspect ratio" ....

That's the point missed by all these people who want to watch cinemascope in 16:9 without black bars. When they convert / crop video releases to taller aspect ratios they'll adjust the framing so you don't completely lose the framing that the director and DP worked so hard on.

You don't have that option when simply cropping. If there's a scene where 2 characters are far apart you may not be able to see one or both of them.

In other words, it looks worse than black bars.

Plus, that's a lot of bother. Most movie releases are in 2.35:1.

My advice:

Sit closer to the TV.

Or get a larger screen. Most cheap out on screen size.

If you are a film fan, best to get a 2.35 to 1 display like the Vizio Cinemawide.
http://www.vizio.com/cinemawide/overview


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[jagabo]

If you are a film fan, best to get a 2.35 to 1 display like the Vizio Cinemawide.
http://www.vizio.com/cinemawide/overview

Then he'll be pissed by the black pillarbox bars on 16:9 and 4:3 material.

[yoda313]

This is kind of an open question/comment regarding the topic of this thread -

Do they still release studio produced 4:3 full screen versions of movies?

I know in the early days of dvd you'd always see full screen next to widescreen at the video store. It took awhile for blockbuster (while they were still around of course) to only supply widescreen.

I would imagine with the bluray push that newer movie releases in 4:3 might almost be extinct. I know for awhile you could sometimes get both full and widescreen versions on the same disc.

I just thought I'd throw that out there as a possibility for the original poster. At least a studio produced 4:3 would be properly pan/scanned.

Edit - I know the poster wants 16:9 cropped but I think they would be better off with an official 4:3 version of the film than a user chopped version that leaves everything off - at least with an official 4:3 version the stuff you should see would be shown and text would be resized accordingly.
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Another option to look into is wait for a hd cable/sat broadcast. A good number of channels show cropped versions of the movies. Usually just amc shows oar (original aspect ratio) presentations. Though at least with the Star Trek movies Syfy seems to show more oar movies as apposed to cropped 16:9 vesions (in otherwords a 2.35:1 movie cropped to 1.85:1).

In order to save it you would need a capture unit that can either record in hd or a standard def device that can capture in widescreen (not sure how many of those are available). The hauppauge hd pvr is a great one to use for recording up to 1080i over component if your cable/sat box offers that option.

[edDV]

Up until the 1950s, most movies used approx 4:3 aspect. This continued with most TV productions up to Y2K.

Hollywood and Cinemas went wide (21:9 or wider) to differentiate their offerings vs the home 4:3 TV screen. Any TV presentation of Hollywood films required careful cropping to 4:3 (aka "Full Screen"). Europe mostly preferred wide letterbox (or less cropped versions) on their 4:3 displays.

In the mid 1980's research by MIT and Miti in Japan concluded that 16:9 was optimal for the coming HDTV standards. That stuck so most HDTV broadcasts and HDTV sets are 16:9. Wide movies are usually presented with letterbox on DVD and Blu-Ray but US cable cropped the films to 16:9 due to viewer complaints about letterbox. The cropping is usually "pan and scan" dynamic to optimize action framing. If you simply crop the sides, key action can be lost.

Starting around Y2K, most TV series were shot 16:9 with action centered so that a 4:3 center crop would still convey the directors intent.

[hello_hello]

I use MPC-HC for watching video (my PC is connected to the TV) and I'm in the habit of tapping the "9" key to zoom in on wide screen video until it fills the entire 16:9 screen.
How often do I think I'm missing out on something because zooming in has effectively cropped the sides of the video? Almost never.....

Personally I think these days a lot of wide screen content is shot with cropping to 16:9 in mind. Even the titles and credits are often (although not always) kept within the 16:9 picture area.

[Noahtuck]

If you look up clueless idiot in the dictionary can you guess who's picture will be displayed ??

[intracube]

Hollywood and Cinemas went wide (21:9 or wider) to differentiate their offerings vs the home 4:3 TV screen. Any TV presentation of Hollywood films required careful cropping to 4:3 (aka "Full Screen").

That applies to some films - those shot anamorphic/scope, Techniscope, hard-matted, some digital formats, etc.

Other films have a picture that extends vertically beyond the letterboxed frame - matted 1.85:1, Super35, some digital formats, etc.

Do they still release studio produced 4:3 full screen versions of movies?
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I just thought I'd throw that out there as a possibility for the original poster. At least a studio produced 4:3 would be properly pan/scanned.

I haven't paid much attention to DVD releases the last few years. 4:3 versions are probably being phased out for obvious reasons.

TV networks still show re-formatted versions of movies, often 2.39:1 converted to 16:9. Sometimes the frame is opened up vertically, depending on how the film was shot/produced.
https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/339268-Are-there-any-reasonably-priced-reputable-fo...=1#post2132626

According to imdb, The Longest Day was shot in CinemaScope, so there isn't anything above/below the letterboxed image. Any 16:9 version floating around will have the sides chopped off.

[edDV]

Hollywood and Cinemas went wide (21:9 or wider) to differentiate their offerings vs the home 4:3 TV screen. Any TV presentation of Hollywood films required careful cropping to 4:3 (aka "Full Screen").

That applies to some films - those shot anamorphic/scope, Techniscope, hard-matted, some digital formats, etc.

Other films have a picture that extends vertically beyond the letterboxed frame - matted 1.85:1, Super35, some digital formats, etc.

Yes there were other formats that emphasized resolution over wide aspect such as VistaVision. The format required action content fit one of three aspect ratios: 1.66:1, 1.85:1 and 2.00:1 for projection.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VistaVision

The extreme of these vertically oriented formats was classical IMAX where the screen was 1.36 to 1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAX

Any conversion of these formats to 16:9 (1.78 to 1) required most of the vertical content to be cropped.

[lacywest]

Interesting ... my step daughter watches stuff on the Sony 51 inch ... in the living room ... cone heads or Pie faces ... the Panasonic in the bedroom has settings that provide decent viewing.