Make Two MPEG2 Files Same Specs

[shagratt71]

Hi Guys, This one has totally stumped me. I have two mpeg2 files ripped from my original disks and I wish to encode and join them with the container MKV. Before I do so though I understand that I have to make them both the same. Here is the read out on both through Mediainfo:

DVD1

Video
ID : 224 (0xE0)
Format : MPEG Video
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : Main@Main
Format settings, BVOP : Yes
Format settings, Matrix : Custom
Duration : 1h 28mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 5 536 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 8 000 Kbps
Width : 704 pixels
Height : 480 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 4:3
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Standard : NTSC
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Scan order : 2:3 Pulldown
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.683
Stream size : 3.42 GiB (94%)
Writing library : TMPGEnc / DVD Author 3 Version. 3.0.9.166 DVD Author 3 Version. 3.0.9.166
Color primaries : SMPTE 170M
Transfer characteristics : SMPTE 170M
Matrix coefficients : SMPTE 170M

dvd2

Video
ID : 224 (0xE0)
Format : MPEG Video
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : Main@Main
Format settings, BVOP : Yes
Format settings, Matrix : Custom
Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=15
Duration : 1h 41mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 5 346 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 9 641 Kbps
Width : 704 pixels
Height : 480 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 4:3
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Standard : NTSC
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Scan order : Bottom Field First
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.528
Stream size : 3.81 GiB (95%)
Writing library : Created by Nero

I have tried joining these via MKVmerge and then encoding the MKV file to x264 via MEGUI and Handbrake. On both ocations the audio has been totally out of sync and I'm guessing its been due to the two mpeg2 files within the MKV having different frame rates plus other settings.

I should mention that the reason why I need them encoding is because of the size, if I were to just join them via MKVmerge and leave it at that then the size would be about 8gig....

I would most appreciate any advice.

[Baldrick]

Convert each dvd to mkv with megui or handbrake and then join with mkvmerge.

[shagratt71]

Hi Baldrick, I'll try it now and report back, many thanks.

[shagratt71]

Ok Ive encoded both parts. Within MKVmerge what would I need to do to join them so they play one after the other?, I've had a problem before where it would only play the first part... Ideally I would like to have the whole first part as chapter 1 and the second as chapter 2...

[Bonie81]

in the mediainfo you posted here, frame-rate differs for both! just for your info!

[shagratt71]

in the mediainfo you posted here, frame-rate differs for both! just for your info!

I know. Sadly I'm getting an error within MKVmerge: "Error: The track number 0 from the file 'G:\Anne Frank The Whole Story (2001)\dvd_2.mkv' cannot be appended to the track number 0 from the file 'G:\Anne Frank The Whole Story (2001)\dvd_1.mkv'. The track parameters do not match", my guess is because of the frame rate and other specs being different...

[Baldrick]

You must convert to same frame rate....and it's not really worth it if you are just joining videos.

[shagratt71]

Then how do I get two files to play one after another?

[Cornucopia]

Use a playlist (assuming your player supports them).

ASX, SMIL, etc.

They don't actually join anything, just tell the player to play one after the other.

Scott

[manono]

Or IVTC the second one so its framerate is also 23.976fps (or remove the duplicate frames). I have a little problem accepting the MediaInfo for the two files showing different framerates, if both came from the same DVD set and haven't already been reencoded. If they came from different DVDs, maybe.

[Cornucopia]

I'm putting my money on them having been re-encoded. Notice that in Mediainfo, the 1st mentions TMPGEnc writing library, while the 2nd mentions Nero writing library. They OBVIOUSLY got written by different burn apps, so it follows they may have been modified (in different ways) by those same apps.

I would find it hard to believe that the original VOBs from the official discs had different encoding methods, or even writing libraries...

Scott

[hello_hello]

I Googled a bit but couldn't find any reference to an "Anne Frank The Whole Story" DVD release which constituted more than a single DVD.

[manono]

I Googled a bit but couldn't find any reference to an "Anne Frank The Whole Story" DVD release which constituted more than a single DVD.

http://www.amazon.com/Anne-Frank-Classroom-Edition-Interactive/dp/B00246VKEI/

[hello_hello]

I guess I missed that one.....

"Based on the critically acclaimed book by Melissa Müller, Anne Frank explores the stirring tale of one of the most influential young women of the 20th Century. The re-release of this Classroom Edition DVD contains all-new educational material such as an updated printable educator's guide and a showcase of other diaries written during this history-altering era. Includes Public Performance Rights for classroom/educational use only."

I couldn't see anything more specific (didn't look that hard) but maybe the second DVD is the interactive one, or it contains the archival footage etc? In which case I guess it wouldn't be inconceivable for one to be 23.976fps and the other.... not. The runtime of the single DVD version matches the runtime of the OP's first disc.
http://www.amazon.com/Anne-Frank-The-Whole-Story/dp/B00005LC5R/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&...4820743&sr=1-1

Maybe the OP will enlighten us....

[shagratt71]

Hi guys, Thanks for all you're suggestions, I decided to re-encode the disks again to x264 but the two disks both came back with different frame rates.... The second disk is actually an interactive disk so I have no idea if that has anything to do with why the frame rates are different.

I've decided to go with manono suggestion and have a go at IVTCing the second disk so the frame rates are the same on both files. Would I get much quality loss by doing an inverse Telecine?

[pandy]

demux es's, join them by binary copying "copy /b file1.m2v + file2.m2v result.m2v" should be ok

[shagratt71]

demux es's, join them by binary copying "copy /b file1.m2v + file2.m2v result.m2v" should be ok

Nice one!, I'll give it a go. This one movie is really starting to give me the sh*ts now lol

[manono]

The runtime of the single DVD version matches the runtime of the OP's first disc.

88 minutes (the length of the video in the first MediaInfo file) isn't the same as the 120 minute length of the DVD in your link. On the other hand, this review lists the Classroom Edition length (also corresponding to the American version DVD length listed at IMDB) as being 189 minutes, the total of the two lengths listed in the MediaInfo files:

http://www.dvdverdict.com/reviews/anneclassroom.php

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0246430/

[hello_hello]

I really am having a bad day....

[Bonie81]

I would have first rip both DVD to Hard Disk, using same software and same settings to get VOBs on HDD.
Second, I would have joined all VOBs of both the movies into one large VOB with something like VOBMerge.
Third, I would have taken one large VOB to the video encoder to produce just one single file.

[manono]

I would have first rip both DVD to Hard Disk, using same software and same settings to get VOBs on HDD.

Except I don't think he actually has the source DVDs, in spite of what he stated in his first post.

Second, I would have joined all VOBs of both the movies into one large VOB with something like VOBMerge.
Third, I would have taken one large VOB to the video encoder to produce just one single file.

You'd have to decrypt both DVDs to the hard drive, yes. But no joining has to be done. You just open the VOBs in DGIndex and make a single D2V Project file for the whole thing. Use that in an AviSynth script for the reencoding. That's if he has the original DVDs, which I don't think he does. I'm guessing, not having seen the second part of the movie, that if it's really progressive as stated in the MediaInfo file, he's got a duplicate frame in every 5. That means if he removes them all it'll then become 23.976fps, matching the framerate of the first part of the movie.

[shagratt71]

I have an ex-rental ORIGINIAL DVD Copy of the movie, bought from video-Easy, here in Australia.

[manono]

I have an ex-rental ORIGINIAL DVD Copy of the movie, bought from video-Easy, here in Australia.

Then explain how a legitimate (not bootleg or downloaded) and not already reencoded DVD uses two different programs to create it, as mentioned by Cornucopia earlier? Neither of the programs mentioned is used on any retail DVDs, as far as I know, and ordinarily both parts of the video would have been created by the same program.

Your DVD set looks like the one in my earlier links? It's the Classroom Edition? I mean, I couldn't care less myself, but your problem joining these things is at least partly due to the fact that there's something very peculiar about this 2-disc set of yours.

[shagratt71]

Ok there seems to be some misunderstanding here, to clarrify: as I remember it I ripped the 2 ORIGINAL disks some 5 years ago with NERO7 for backup and storage purposes (lucky I did because the second disk no longer works). 5 years on I have used VOB2MPG PRO to convert the backup disks to single VOB files, of which I have two, named DVD1.mpeg & DVD2.mpeg. The information you see from mediainfo is NOT from the original disks, its from the ripped VOB files that were ripped from the backup dvd's of which I have the damn originals. Im not sure I can put it any simpler than this.

[shagratt71]

Case closed

[Cornucopia]

IOW, those were not just ripped but ripped, converted and then converted again. Not a good start.

Scott

[Bonie81]

@manono

agreed with your reply.
I just tried to make it simple without complexity of any scripting and filters.


@Cornucopia
agreed as well. No need to convert it over and over (I mean AGAiN) and loosing on quality everytime.

By now he must have solved this with enough replies this post.

[shagratt71]

I went back to the original disks and ripped them to the hard drive, even managed to get the second disk working in another dvd drive. I still had to IVTC the second disk as the frame rates are different on both disks. All done now and happy at last,

Thanks for all your help, much appreciated.

[Bonie81]

just kidding as a friend,
Good to know that you are finally HaPpY.
We all who reponded you, are still not happy until you upload your rip some where to share and we can see the quality of your rip.
Bye for this post.