Hello guys.... Now i have got my new vcr with TBC ))
Ive sat an jugde arround with the setting, contract brightness saturation hue and sharpness on the card, and have capture the following small clips from various parts of the video.
Have i got the settings right ?
And can you see the improvement from the TBC
Thx in advance for all your help, hopefully ive learn enorgh to get the settings right
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The VCR im using now it Panasonic HV-HS930 with 3D DNR and TBC activated...
Ohh and now im running a cable with SCAR in one end (goes in vcr) and composite in the other end (goes in wintv card) but this vcr also has composite, so will it improve anything if i use a composite cabel fra composite on vcr to composite on wintv card? Or will it give no change?
Could not play the files with any software of mine (especially with VLC that can usually play almost everything).
One thing to do when you digitalize is to make high compliance files...
For the use of the TBC and DNR of your VCR or not your eye will be the best judge. (DNR may also be performed by software , and some digitalizing devices may be good enough for VHS not to need TBC)
You may also try the tunings of your digitalizing software if there are some.
Using SCART connexion or RCA connexion for composite video will not change anything.
Since your VCR is S-VHS ,using Y/C connexion should be better than composite if your digitalizing device supports it.
Last edited by misermidas; 15th Apr 2012 at 15:02.
Y/c connection? Dont know what that is? I have a wintv pvr-500 card
y/c = s-video (separated video).
SCART = RGB/component
composite = y+c composited into a single signal, with lower quality than y/c
Technically, SCART is superior to s-video, but it really depends on the internal processing.
s-video has nothing to do with S-VHS.
Image data is stored on both VHS and S-VHS as y/c (separated).
That's why s-video looks better than composite. And inversely, why it does not on Laserdisc.
You really should not open a new topic here. This post really belongs as a continuation of your origianl? topic with the ts files for an immediate comparison.
Now I have only downloaded file 1 but I see problems. The lady dancing has now got a pattern on her dress which I do not see in your earlier capture. I guess this has been caused by the VCR. I may be wrong here but that could be due to the 3D noise reduction over composite. I thought 3D was reserved for s-video.
But, again, I must ask why you are persisting with capturing as lagarith when you have been told more than once that it will not work properly with your setup.
Y/C means s-video.
Much better, asesinato. One note:
S-VHS and s-video are not the same thing. "S-VHS" is a tape format. It can be played through any of the outputs the player supports. "s-video" is a type of signal transmission with its associated circuits and cables. s-video is usually cleaner and less noisy than composite. SCART is usually somewhat superior to either composite or s-video, but I'm not sure the player has SCART output. I'll have to look at the user manual I referred to in the previous post. The link for the complete user guide is near the end of that thread .
Last edited by sanlyn; 15th Apr 2012 at 17:40.
If the herring-bone pattern is dot-crawl then I stand back except that I did not notice it in the initial ts caps.
I simply do not buy any arguement to create samples with the easiest method. Any samples which require opinion should be done with the method that the final edit will be done. Then no additional issues caused by inappropiate use of capture codecs will influence the opinion.
I believe it's 25fps by default on virtualvcr, not 100% sure though
I have made my little tweaks for the fun it always amaze me how much data you can recover, take a look below (UV components)
blurry vs not blurry
Last edited by themaster1; 15th Apr 2012 at 18:59.
VirtualVCR). A little later on that....
Last edited by sanlyn; 15th Apr 2012 at 20:13.
Lagarith or huffyuv. It doesn't render color very well without serious adjustment, and deinterlaces poorly by default unless you continuously re-set it for a better method. All those faults make VLC a big hassle for much video processing. The avi's posted are standard YUY2 AVI with lossless Lagarith compression. That's a common standard for analog capture to PC.
According to the Pansonic user manual, it plays PAL at 25fps. So the 29.97 fps must be coming from the capture device or a VirtualVCR setting. The link to the Panasonic user guide was posted earlier, but I've attached a zip of the manual below.
Your capture device accepts composite cable (I thought it also has s-video ? ?). If it accepts composite and s-video, use an s-video cable. If it accepts only composite, use a composite cable. Composite will look better than a passive SCART adapter, and the VCR's 3D comb filter will help clean up composite problems.
SCART can carry composite, s-video, or RGB video. SCART adapters usually do nothing more than route the correct pins on the SCART connector to a composite or s-video cable. Composite via SCART adapter will be the exact same thing as a composite output on the deck. S-video from the adapter will be the same as s-video from the deck.
The diagonal lines in the caps aren't dot crawl artifacts. There's some source of noise in the system. Or on the tapes. I don't remember how the older caps looked.
I would think the herringbone is from the SCART adapter. I realize what SCART does, but the O.P.'s copy device doesn't have SCART input. I think he's using a passive SCART->composite adapter, which isn't the same as SCART to SCART. I dont think so, anyway.
The VCR's SCART output has a switch that the manual says must be switched on if s-video is desired output via SCART. I don't see where the manual states that there's a comparable composite switch. In any case, if the copy adapter device doesn't have SCART input (I believe it only has composite and s-video), then asesinato must be using some kind of cable adapter for SCART-out to composite-in.
Since the VCR has an SCART/s-video switch, but not a composite switch, might it be better to have an SCART->s-video adapter, and set that s-video switch on at the VCR? But it seems that just using s-video from start to finish would be better (or composite all the way, if s-video isn't available on the copy device), rather than an SCART adapter. The manual also states that the only type of SCART cable that should be used is a fully-wired (emphasized) 21-pin SCART cable from SCART-to-SCART. I don't think an SCART "adapter"will work properly.
To an earlier reply from sanlyn:
Yes, a raw capture would be best but you forget, the OPs 'RAW' capture is Mpeg2. Who knows what is happening to the video when this transcoding is taking place.
Now, I realise that Scart is a bit of an unknown for my American friends but it is common-place on European VCRs. As jagabo corrctly states, there is nothing happening to the video if a composite cable comes out of a scart plug. I use them all the time - much more a common connection method for video capture in Europe if you do not have s-video - and, to be honest, have never seen such noise.
Fully-wired Scart-to-Scart are only used to connect compatable equipment i.e with another scart plug/socket. It is often done this way so that the lemmie does not plug in the lead to a tv the wrong way and wonder why he has no picture. I have never seen a capture device that has scart input.
I re-checked the original ts video. There is a little hint of the pattern but it sure looks worse now.
Last edited by sanlyn; 16th Apr 2012 at 06:12.
Ive now went out an get me a S-video cable (which was not cheap i might add and ive capture a few new clips.
I realy cant see any differens from before... can you???
The s-video capture is a big improvement in detail!. The herringbone is still there, but it's not steady, it's on-and-off. Clearly, the noise looks worse thru the SCART adapter.
If you have a commercial tape that you bought in a store, play it thru your Panasonic into the s-video input of your capture device. Check to see if the noise is still there. If it exists on all tapes, then the noise is in the Panasonic or in your capture device. If the noise appears only on the wedding tapes, then it's on the tapes; it would have resulted from improper storage of the tape. The noise can be filtered later (in YUV/AVI, not in VirtualDub).
Your old VCR also has some of this noise, but that VCR sends so little of the original video data thru your capture device, with so many other disturbances, that there's no detail to work with. My guess is that it's on the tape, because some of it was seen in earlier captures. The s-video connection is still better to work with.
Last edited by sanlyn; 16th Apr 2012 at 06:36.
Ive just run a commercial tape and the noise isnt there... So its on the tape
What about the settings? setting, contract brightness saturation hue and sharpness should i change more there before capturing?
Ive now capture 2 small clips with same setup just capture in wintv, and now audio and video is perfectly in sync
Of course, it's still possible the SCART cable + adapter + composite cable is the source of some of the noise because it's that much more hardware and cabling between the source and destination. But the situation isn't comparable using a passive s-video to composite adapter (with just a capacitor) because with the SCART adapter s-video isn't converted to composite. The source device is already sending composite.
And, of course, the OP should be using s-video instead of composite.