Hybrid(Windows/Linux/Mac): Input -> x264/x265/Xvid/VP8/VP9

[Selur]

should work if you use the avisynth extension (+ enable: Filtering->Avisynth->Misc->Misc->Pefer AviSource for avi input) otherwise libav will be used for decoding (through either ffmpegsource or libavsource if the avisynth extension is used or through ffmpeg or mencoder)

[Stears555]

should work if you use the avisynth extension (+ enable: Filtering->Avisynth->Misc->Misc->Pefer AviSource for avi input) otherwise libav will be used for decoding (through either ffmpegsource or libavsource if the avisynth extension is used or through ffmpeg or mencoder)

Ok, but can you create an automatic switcher in the software? For example: When ffmpeg does not work, than Hbyrid can switch automatically to avisynth mode. (and vica-versa)

[Selur]

I might be able to, but I don't plan to any time soon, since this would require Hybrid to test the decoding somehow during job creation (-> slower job creation, lots of code to write), also this would only a viable option if the avisynthExtension is installed.

[deadrats]

@Selur:

i was wondering where did you get the vp9 encoder you include with your software? did you use a pre-built binary or do you compile from source yourself? if you compile yourself do you use MS' visual studio or gcc and what settings do you use for the compiler?

basically i was wondering if you compile from source yourself and you are just using the generic default compiler settings if maybe it wouldn't be beneficial to compile with aggressive settings.

[Selur]

the vp9 version i used was posted over at doom9
I also compiled it a while ago myself and tried a bunch of optimizations but none had any real impact on speed, so I didn't see any gain from compiling it myself. (to be frank it would have surprised me if there was any real speed difference)

[Stears555]

Selur, can you incorporate the avisynth extension into the normal Hybrid installer in the next version?

[Selur]

I could, but I won't since I don't get much feedback regarding the avisynthExtension and so I'm not really sure how 'stable' it is.
Also it would increase the size of the downloads by 25MB+ and since the avisynthExtension normally is updated far less frequent than Hybrid it would mainly cause a lot of download overhead.

Cu Selur

Ps.: btw. I just release a new public version an hour or so ago.

[Leo99]

Hi Selur, your Hybrid so funny, I tried to convert audio only (ignore video handling) for AC3, but it gave me the extension mp4 instead of ac3..hahaha. But it's real the truth AC3 audio... Is it a bug maybe..? So, I have to rename the extension manually - good for your feedback!

[Selur]

But it's real the truth AC3 audio...

Not only, to be precise it's an ac3 stream inside an mp4 container.

Is it a bug maybe..?

No, that's no bug, that's you not operation Hybrid properly.

Here's an explanation:
The default output container is not RAW but mp4 (since Hybrids main purpose isn't aimed at raw audio conversion), so unless you enter one off the other valid output container format extensions (mp4/mkv/webm/mov/m2ts/avi/raw) Hybrid assumes you want it to add the extension automatically.
So if you want audio only without a container you need to use '.raw' as extension for your output (Hybrid will replace .raw with the format extension of the stream). If you want change the standard output container, you can change it under: "Config->General Settings->Standard output container"

Cu Selur

[Leo99]

Yes, you right, after change .raw just correctly now. Hmm.. that's just for audio only, and when I convert video within container, I must change to default mp4 back..right! Thank you for the explanation, Selur - good job!

[Selur]

Yes, if you convert multiple files and use the 'Generate' option, changing the standard output container is the way to go.
Otherwise like mentioned, you can simply you leave the default container as it is and simply use one of the supported container extensions for the output name.

[deadrats]

when you did compile it yourself where did you get the source and what compiler did you use? is there a specific procedure to compiling it? i'm asking because i would like to try compiling it myself with various compilers and options and see for myself. also, do you think i could simply "plug in" a custom compiled version into hybrid or does hybrid require that you build the whole thing from scratch?

[Selur]

I used Visual Studio and checked out the git source (I followed some link posted over at doom9 iirc.).
Switching out the vpxenc version shouldn't be a problem.

[Leo99]

OK Selur, I like your Hybrid - Almost same like SUPER by eRightSoft. I have added neroAacEnc into Hybrid, so that the sound quality of your AAC is better than SUPER, which I am not sure if it's pure nero or not. OK, Thanks all.

[Selur]

you can also use
fhgaacenc (Frauenhofer AAC Encoder which comes with Winamp)
and
qaacenc (requires the Apple Application Support = iTunes aac Encoder)
which both should provide better quality than nero at least according to the HybdrogenAudio folks.
(my audio equipment and my ears are not good enough to really hear a difference)

Cu Selur

[DarrellS]

you can also use
fhgaacenc (Frauenhofer AAC Encoder which comes with Winamp)
and
qaacenc (requires the Apple Application Support = iTunes aac Encoder)
which both should provide better quality than nero at least according to the HybdrogenAudio folks.
(my audio equipment and my ears are not good enough to really hear a difference)

Cu Selur

There is also an autobuild on GIT for the fdkaac.exe encoder. There are a couple of links in the forum if you search. I'll look in my threads and see if I can find it.


Did you see the DivX265.exe command line encoder and the HEVC version of MKVmerge in the forum today? The encoder accepts stdin from pipe. Thought you might be interested unless there's a license issue. I guess as long as you didn't release the files in your program (like neroaacenc.exe) there wouldn't be a problem.



EDIT: Here are the links to the github fdkaac autobuild files...


https://github.com/nu774/fdkaac_autobuild


https://github.com/nu774/fdkaac_autobuild/archive/master.zip

[Selur]

Did you see the DivX265.exe command line encoder

-> from the changelog of the latest release:

encoder: Windows only: !experimental! DivX265 Command Line encoder support (muxing to mp4 requires recent MP4Box version), progress indication only works if ffmpeg is used as decoder. -> it's mainly ment to simply have a GUI for it, even if the options are really restricted (not by Hybrid but by the cli encoder itself), copy DivX265.exe into your Hybrid folder to try

and the HEVC version of MKVmerge in the forum today?

won't support HEVC inside mkv until it's officially supported by MKVtoolnix

Here are the links to the github fdkaac autobuild files...

didn't know there were separate fdkaacenc builds, atm. Hybrid only supports it when fdkaacenc is part of ffmpeg (problem is due to license issues one isn't allowed to distribute ffmpeg with fdkaacenc included ).
-> Does any one have a mingw build environment and does offer precompiled versions? (I'm not really keen on setting up a mingw build environment on my own)
Does anyone know if it's license wise allowed to distribute the fdkaacenc standalone binary?

Cu Selur

Ps.: Just realized I forgot to update the MP4Box Version for the windows build -> will update
-> MP4Box updates are uploaded

[Stears555]

I could, but I won't since I don't get much feedback regarding the avisynthExtension and so I'm not really sure how 'stable' it is.
Also it would increase the size of the downloads by 25MB+ and since the avisynthExtension normally is updated far less frequent than Hybrid it would mainly cause a lot of download overhead.

Cu Selur

Ps.: btw. I just release a new public version an hour or so ago.

There are many many "altruistic" software webpages (their webstorages are dedicated for the developers of free softwares) who allow the upload of free sofwares into their websites. You can create mirrors etc in their websites. Therefore I can't understand why do you use the web-storage of your own homepage for the downloads of Hybrid. It is enough to display their download URLS in the webpage of Hybrid.

So in this way, the overload & bandwidth of your own webpage etc... would not be problem!

[Selur]

you totally ignored the first and main point:

I could, but I won't since I don't get much feedback regarding the avisynthExtension and so I'm not really sure how 'stable' it is.

About those:

"altruistic" software webpages

There are tons of this pages which offer Hybrid for download:

• VideoHelp is the only side where I every gave permission for it to distribute Hybrid on their page (and thus earn revenue due to advertisement on their page while people download Hybrid from them)
• 99% of the pages offering Hybrid never asked me about permission, in disregard of:
  "You may not distribute Hybrid in any form without a written permission of the author."
  see: http://www.selur.de/licence
• a few simply informed me that they are offering Hybrid now (chip.de, Softpedia, soft82, CNET,...) and that I should be honored that they do
• first I asked a few why they disregarded my license info and only one computerbild.de removed the download after this question; but I gave up on that
• a few others of those portals (like chip.de) to offer Hybrid, but simply link to my homepage for download (so they earn through the advertisement revenue and I have the traffic)

Don't misunderstand me, I'm happy that people use Hybrid and that others think it is worth using, but I don't like it if sites make money of my work I offer for free without even asking my for for my consent.
(Simply offering something and dropping and email saying: "If you don't want we can remove it,.." isn't asking!)

That said, please remember:
a. I do this in my free time (and admittedly some of my non-free time, but that is fine as long as it isn't much and my normal work doesn't suffer from it)
b. I disclose all donations I get with everyone in the Thanks for the donations,.. thread in my forum. Around 20% (~50€) of the money I got, I donated to other projects and the rest I spend on a few Blu-rays, some Pizza and a small present for my girlfriend.
c. I really do spend a lot of time fixing bugs, cleaning up (& refactoring) code, extending Hybrid to wishes of users and helping people to use Hybrid. (Hybrid atm. contains around 128 000 lines of code, which are maintained by me alone.)

So if you want the Avisynth extension to be part of the Windows installer you got these options:
a. write a NSIS installer script yourself and build one yourself and may be offer it somewhere for others after you asked me and for my consent. (Be sure that, I will not give it, if the installer includes any (mal-/)adware of similar.)
b. test the Avisynth extension for inconsistencies and bugs and report these, once I'm convinced that the Avisynth extension is stable enough I plan to include it into the installer, but no this is not a thing that will be done in a few days.

Cu Selur

[Marchand]

Selur.

Your new encoder is very good.

After some tests and with the exchange of 03 executable files, the file got Hevc-MKV (AUDIO AND VIDEO), which works perfectly in DivXPlayer 10 with the same final file size.

Test Video Hybrid.v2.Run.DivX.Player.mkv: https://shared.com/zzeapv260h

General
Unique ID : 170643492645265471224919133343816347489 (0x8060BDC14062C3EE9F6DC3884C43EF61)
Complete name : C:\Users\Marchand\Videos\Hybrid.v2.Run.DivX.Player .mkv
Format : Matroska
Format version : Version 4 / Version 2
File size : 1.36 MiB
Duration : 7s 466ms
Overall bit rate : 1 530 Kbps
Encoded date : UTC 2013-09-17 22:55:38
Writing application : mkvmerge v6.2.0 ('Promised Land Rovi v1.0.4') built on Aug 29 2013 13:59:38
Writing library : libebml v1.3.0 + libmatroska v1.4.0
Encoding Gui : Hybrid 2013.09.17.1

Video
ID : 1
Format : V_MPEGH/ISO/HEVC
Codec ID : V_MPEGH/ISO/HEVC
Duration : 7s 466ms
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Default : Yes
Forced : Yes

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format profile : HE-AAC / LC
Codec ID : A_AAC
Duration : 7s 466ms
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz / 22.05 KHz
Compression mode : Lossy
Default : Yes
Forced : No

These executables original Hybrid, converted into H265/MP4, only worked in OsmoPlayer where we would be limited to using it only for audio and video.

Test Video Hybrid.v1.Run.Osmo.Player.mp4:
https://shared.com/qjzje10b17

General
Complete name : C:\Users\Marchand\Videos\Hybrid.v1.Run.Osmo.Player .mp4
Format : hvc1
Codec ID : hvc1
File size : 1.36 MiB
Duration : 7s 572ms
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 1 509 Kbps
Encoded date : UTC 2013-09-17 22:33:21
Tagged date : UTC 2013-09-17 22:33:21
Writing application : Hybrid 2013.09.17.1

Video
ID : 1
Format : HEVC
Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Codec ID : hvc1
Codec ID/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration : 7s 465ms
Bit rate : 1 412 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 2 932 Kbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.028
Stream size : 1.26 MiB (92%)
Encoded date : UTC 2013-09-17 22:33:21
Tagged date : UTC 2013-09-17 22:33:21

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format profile : HE-AAC / LC
Codec ID : 40
Duration : 7s 572ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 113 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 128 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz / 24.0 KHz
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : 20ms
Stream size : 104 KiB (7%)
Encoded date : UTC 2013-09-17 22:30:41
Tagged date : UTC 2013-09-17 22:33:21

I tried testing in Hevc-MKV with original files that you launched and could not, because the Hybrid always originated errors.

Finally, follow the link 03 zipped executable files to their final tests in Hybrid and exchange if they want and if you can enable the option we can save the configuration of testing HEVC (. Xml) would be good for us.

Link 03 files zipped: https://shared.com/zjdbv1ohlc

Thanks for your project and your commitment to provide us with this great encoder.

[Selur]

answered over at doom9 to this

[Stears555]

Selur,
What do you think about the new Avisynth improvements?

https://www.videohelp.com/tools/Avisynth


Will you implement this new version of avisynth into your next edition Hybrid installer?

[Selur]

What do you think about the new Avisynth improvements?

Which improvements do you mean in particular?

Will you implement this new version of avisynth into your next edition Hybrid installer?

The avisynthExtension atm. includes Avisynth MT 2.6.0 Alpha 4, I will update to Avisynth MT 2.6.0 Alpha 5 once the MT version is released and I did some test encodes with it. (all after my vacation, so definitely not in the next 8 days)
And no, the next public installer will not be directly include any avisynthExtension.

Cu Selur

[Leo99]

you can also use
fhgaacenc (Frauenhofer AAC Encoder which comes with Winamp)

Selur, I've google and get this file: https://github.com/tmkk/fhgaacenc > Is this the right ones..?
But I'm not so understand the Optional sentence in the readme.txt where is written like this:

Getting Started

1. Install WinAmp
2. Copy required DLLs to the same directory as fhgaacenc.exe
   (Included in this archive)
   - libsndfile-1.dll
   (Optional: copy from WinAmp directory if you want to uninstall WinAmp)
   - enc_fhgaac.dll
   - libmp4v2.dll
   - nsutil.dll
3. etc....

So, the last 3 files are already exist in my Winamp as follows:
- enc_fhgaac.dll --> located in my C:\Program Files\Winamp\Plugins
- libmp4v2.dll --> located at Root directory.
- nsutil.dll --> located at Root directory.

Now, what does Optional + uninstall that make me confused.. Can you tell me?

Next question: Can I attach this fhgaacenc.exe into your Hybrid?
I'm afraid it will mess up your application to make trouble..!
Please suggest me, thank you.

[deadrats]

edit again: the divx cli hevc encoder doesn't within Hybrid, it errors out and even though the progress bar is at 100% no file is created.

[Selur]

1. if you used the installer, the fhgaacenc binary already comes with Hybrid and you need to either install Winamp or copy the required dlls into the Hybrid folder (after copying the files you can uninstall Winamp)
2. DivX265.exe works fine here and I can't say anything from 'errors out'
-> on vacations now, not sure if I'll get online the next 7-8 days so all problems might have to wait

[Leo99]

if you used the installer, the fhgaacenc binary already comes with Hybrid and you need to either install Winamp or copy the required dlls into the Hybrid folder (after copying the files you can uninstall Winamp)

Ohh, I know now. So, I must take the 3 files from Winamp (copying for Hybrid), thereafter uninstall Winamp if unneeded, thanks.

[maxrockpro]

the encoding calls look fine:
.......I don't see a reason why the output should not look fine.

Doing a lot of research online, I found out that GPU accelerated encoding may result in poor quality videos... I will try conversion without GPU acceleration this weekend and get back to you.

[Selur]

Yes, quality wise software encoders are a lot better than gpu based encoders (assuming the target datarate is relatively low)

[deadrats]

@Selur:

"errors out" means just that, it says error and nothing is created. sometimes it errors during the muxing phase and i thought it might be because the mkv tools included with Hybrid do not support hevc muxing so i swapped in the versions available from divx's website, still no luck.

once it seemed to actually complete the process with no errors but the resulting file was only 4mb in size and needless to say there was no data associated with said file.

attached you will find a sample test file i like using.