Hybrid(Windows/Linux/Mac): Input -> x264/x265/Xvid/VP8/VP9

[Selur]

The issue only seems to happen when multiple sources are used as input.
When I start Hybrid, load a single source, and then switch the audio processing to 'auto add (last)' it seems to work fine here.
Is this the case for you too?

Cu Selur

[Platos]

Sry for late answer:

Yes you are right. It works too on my end, when i use only one video. Then i can change to auto add (last) after i load the video.

And ok, good to know. Did not notice it, because in my project atm i want to delete the subtitle. So i did never passthrough/use the subtitles.

[Selur]

Send you a link to a version which might fix the audio handling issue,... (doesn't happen here anymore, but there might still be issues)

Cu Selur

[firest]

Hybrid adds the trim-call directly after the source, so if you embed subtitles they need to be adjusted to the new source length.

Okay, got it. In that case it's a good feature to think about in the future, since support for trimming/cutting also still seems to be something experimental in Hybrid.

btw. just noticed that I broke subtitle extraction in the last dev version.

Yeah, here Hybrid stops responding and closes without any warning (probably due to a crash) a few seconds after extraction.
I was just coming to report this to you, but it is good to know that you are already aware of it. 🙂

Another thing I noticed is: there is a special area for additional commands to be added to the mkvmerge command line (Config -> Containers -> Mkv Settings -> Mkvmerge command line addition), but there isn't something similar for mp4box. Is there any particular reason why it doesn't have this functionality as well? 🤔

[Selur]

Is there any particular reason why it doesn't have this functionality as well?

I never needed it, and nobody requested it (with an explanation which flags should not be added to the ui, but needs a special option to add)

Cu Selur

Ps.: send you a pm to the current dev version, which should fix the subtitle issue.

[Platos]

Send you a link to a version which might fix the audio handling issue,... (doesn't happen here anymore, but there might still be issues)

Cu Selur

Hi, i tired it now, but it still happens on my end. I have made a debug.

But for me it's ok, because ijust have to make sure i set the settings before i load the files.

[Selur]

Will look into it.
Btw. since your source has language tags and you are passing through the audio, instead of using 'auto add (last)' I would recommend telling Hybrid to only add the audio stream with a specific language,... (using the setting under Config->Automation->Passthrough streams)

Cu Selur

[Platos]

Ok, thank you, i will try that

[Selur]

I must be doing something different than you, I can't reproduce this here.
What I do is:

• Start Hybrid.
• Load 3 files all with multiple audios.
• Change the audio processing to 'auto add (last)'.

When I then check the 'Audio Queue' in the Audio-tab, only the last audio stream of the inputs is added.
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Okay, I think I have found the problem, before switching to 'auto add (last)' you use 'passthrough all' and the problem seems that Hybrid doesn't properly clear the queue on the change.
My default audio processing was 'ignore' which is why I couldn't reproduce the problem.

Cu Selur

[Selur]

Send you a new link, which should fix the audio queue clearing.

Cu Selur

[firest]

I never needed it, and nobody requested it (with an explanation which flags should not be added to the ui, but needs a special option to add)

Got it. I only miss "-brand" and "-ab" (for compatibility reasons), which are useful for getting the file recognized on some devices.

Ps.: send you a pm to the current dev version, which should fix the subtitle issue.

I think the link needs to be updated, it just takes you to a page that says "not found". 😅

[Selur]

Send new link.

I only miss "-brand" and "-ab" (for compatibility reasons), which are useful for getting the file recognized on some devices.

HEVC brands hvc1 and hev1 can both be set. For H.264 'av1' can be dis- and enabled.
What brand is missing? (I never needed more brands, so I'm curious and I never needed an alternative brand.)

[Platos]

Send you a new link, which should fix the audio queue clearing.

Cu Selur

Now it works on my end, thanks!

[firest]

Send new link.

Now it worked, thanks.

So, regarding the issue:

Ps.: send you a pm to the current dev version, which should fix the subtitle issue.

According to my tests, subtitle extraction via "Subtitle -> Extract" only doesn't cause Hybrid to close unexpectedly after extraction if a source is loaded in the main tab first.

What brand is missing? (I never needed more brands, so I'm curious and I never needed an alternative brand.)

I usually use "-brand isom" (which I actually guess is the default for mp4box if I remember correctly) and sometimes "-brand mp41". And for the alternatives "-ab avc1 -ab iso2 -ab mp41". This kind of configuration is what allows the file to be recognized correctly on all the devices of my family, otherwise, I would have to make a different mux per device.

Here's a comprehensive list of other brands if you'd like to take a look: https://ftyps.com/, also https://mp4ra.org/#/brands and https://mp4ra.org/#/codecs

[Selur]

Busy today, but I'll look into the list and add them as options to Hybrid this evening or tomorrow.
Will also look into the subtitle extraction again.

[Selur]

@firest: Argh,.... if you have the time, it would be nice if you could create 3 lists.
1. one which includes all AVC video (not image) brands
2. one which includes all HEVC video (not image) brands
3. one which includes all the video (not image) brands.
this would help a lot, adding support for these.

Cu Selur

[firest]

Busy today, but I'll look into the list and add them as options to Hybrid this evening or tomorrow.
Will also look into the subtitle extraction again.

Thanks!

Argh,.... if you have the time, it would be nice if you could create 3 lists.

I think I can do this. But don't you think it's simpler to add the additional commands function I mentioned the other day, like there is for mkvmerge? Because for alternate brands, i.e. "-ab", you need to add the command more than once, in case you want more than one.

Also, another thing I noticed a few hours ago is that even if you disable "MT Mode" in "Filtering -> Avisynth -> Misc -> Script -> Disable MT", Hybrid will still import "mtmodes.avsi". But once the code referring to it is removed normally, that line "loses" its effect. However, I don't know if this can cause any impact on perfomance or anything else, since it's being imported for nothing, so I'm reporting it to you (in case it is not something intentional, etc).

[Selur]

The mkvmerge command line option is there since there were sometimes undocumented features in mkvmerge that I needed to add when trying to find a bug with the author or mktoolnix.
In general, I prefer having options in the gui if they make sense, since otherwise parsing the command lines later to find input&output files etc. or finding bugs becomes more problematic.
Wrote a quick implementation with just the brands from https://ftyps.com/ and send you a link via pm. Adding the three lists will be easy.

Cu Selur

[firest]

In general, I prefer having options in the gui if they make sense, since otherwise parsing the command lines later to find input&output files etc. or finding bugs becomes more problematic.

It makes a lot of sense, but supporting so many tools that are updated regularly makes it quite difficult to cover all the options they offer, so a function like that seems very useful.

Wrote a quick implementation

Wow, that was fast!

I just tested it and it worked fine. But I felt that things got a little "tight" inside the GUI, to the point where they got a little cut off... (at least on my end) making the font smaller helps, but makes it tiring to read. Is it possible to make it a little bigger (the GUI)? In terms of height, since it's not possible to resize.

Adding the three lists will be easy.

I just sent you the lists by PM.
One last thing regarding this: you could also add an extra option to use brands from the "all" list, as there are many that aren't covered by the others lists (AVC and HEVC).

[Selur]

Is it possible to make it a little bigger? In terms of height, since it's not possible to resize.

Bigger in what way? Do you want to see more options at once? (currently 10)

Also, do you know how to set alternative brands with ffmpeg? (ffmpeg can be used as alternative muxer for mp4s)

[firest]

Bigger in what way? Do you want to see more options at once? (currently 10)

Look:


On the left side is how things are being displayed with the font size I normally use, while on the right side is the way it should be, which is with the smaller font.
So if the GUI was larger in height, maybe things would fit better. The width is already fine.

Also, do you know how to set alternative brands with ffmpeg? (ffmpeg can be used as alternative muxer for mp4s)

According to documentation and some research, the only thing I found that seems to have any relation is:

-tag[:stream_specifier] codec_tag (input/output,per-stream)
    Force a tag/fourcc for matching streams.

But it doesn't seem to have any effect (or at least none that I've noticed), so I don't think it's possible to do this using FFmpeg.

[Selur]

Ah, okay, that seems strange.
Try: changing the font size in Hybrid (View->Font), Hybrid does adjust the ui to the font size. Themes like Qt<>Windows is having issues with your font size selection.

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But it doesn't seem to have any effect (or at least none that I've noticed), so I don't think it's possible to do this using FFmpeg.

'--tag' can only be used once per stream afaik. -> will look at it too, hoped there was an additional option for this,..

Cu Selur

[firest]

Try: changing the font size in Hybrid (View->Font), Hybrid does adjust the ui to the font size.

That's what I did, the screenshot on the right side is with a smaller font than the one I usually use. The problem is that this makes it difficult to read and cause eye strain, which is why I asked about the possibility of enlarging the window.

Themes like Qt<>Windows is having issues with your font size selection.

Yeah, it seems that qt 6.5 hasn't been doing very well on my end.

[Selur]

Not really sure why, behaves fine here.
Also send you a link to my current dev version, adjusted the scaling caused by Hybrid a bit,... (not sure whether that helps)

Cu Selur

[firest]

It helped a lot!
Now when changing the font size things fit much better inside the GUI. However, if I restart Hybrid and open it again, when I switch the tab things go back to the way they were before, so I have to change the font size again. But it's already much better than before, so thank you!

[Selur]

Start Hybrid, change the font size, save the defaults and Hybrid should remember the setting.

[firest]

I always make sure to save when I make any changes, so that's not the problem.
Absolutely no idea why after restarting and switching tabs, the interface reverts back to what it was.

[Selur]

No clue either, can't reproduce this here.
There is some size adjustment, but nothing that reverts the interface back to the default state.

[Platos]

I have a Question about RIFE in Hybrid. What is the difference between torchRIFE and normal RIFE? Is one of them better quality-side and/or is one faster in speed ? So TorchRIFE uses Tensorcores, but actually its way slower than normal RIFE (not TorchRIFE). I have 20FPS on TorchRIFE with Tensor and 55FPS on normal RIFE. Should it be way faster with Tensor like on Upscaling ?

And what does "ensemble true" or "ensemble false" mean ? What happens with true/false ?

And why do i have "1073741824" in "max WSS" in TorchRIFE ? Because Tooltip says more than 1, less than 30, or not ?

[Selur]

RIFE = https://github.com/styler00dollar/VapourSynth-RIFE-ncnn-Vulkan
RIFE (torch) = https://github.com/HolyWu/vs-rife
Whether one or the other is faster depends on the system, the used model,...

And why do i have "1073741824" in "max WSS" in TorchRIFE ? Because Tooltip says more than 1, less than 30, or not ?

'<' and '<<' are not the same
Tool-tip says that the default is "1 << 30" which means one (left) shifted 30 times, which is 1073741824.

And what does "ensemble true" or "ensemble false" mean ? What happens with true/false ?

ensemble basically increases the quality, but lowers the speed, see: https://github.com/nihui/rife-ncnn-vulkan/issues/50#issuecomment-1229203013

Cu Selur