Hybrid(Windows/Linux/Mac): Input -> x264/x265/Xvid/VP8/VP9

[Selur]

@Wingist: Just noticed that some refactoring disabled all tool tips in Hybrid -> will release a new version tomorrow, which will fix that. (didn't notice since, I normally don't read the tool tips)

[Selur]

released a new version where the toolTips work again,...

[dicto]

Selur,this is OOT,
but can you tell me is there a way to get the latest version of x265, so i don't have to delete x265 folder, and cloning again just to get the latest version?

[Selur]

For linux: latest -> compile them yourself (see: https://bitbucket.org/multicoreware/x265/wiki/Home -> Linux instructions)
adding a ppa of someone (in example https://launchpad.net/~djcj/+archive/x265) will normally not give you always the latest. It's rare that ppas offer daily builds for each update.

[Wringst]

Is the newest Hybrid use the FFMPEG 2.2.4 (June 29, 2014) version?

[Selur]

It uses whatever version is available. (if you change out versions you should reset the tool cache (Config->Tools->Clear ...)

On Windows I added:

ffmpeg version git-2014-06-29-f02a440 Copyright (c) 2000-2014 the FFmpeg developers
  built on Jun 29 2014 08:15:34 with gcc 4.9.0 (Rev4, Built by MSYS2 project)
  configuration: --arch=x86_64 --disable-debug --disable-shared --disable-doc --enable-gpl --enable-version3 --enable-runtime-cpudetect --enable-avfilter --enable-bzlib --enable-zlib --enable-librtmp --enable-gnutls --enable-avisynth --enable-frei0r --enable-filter=frei0r --enable-libbluray --enable-libcaca --enable-libopenjpeg --enable-fontconfig --enable-libfreetype --enable-libass --enable-libgsm --enable-libmodplug --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libopencore-amrnb --enable-libopencore-amrwb --enable-libvo-amrwbenc --enable-libschroedinger --enable-libsoxr --enable-libtwolame --enable-libutvideo --enable-libspeex --enable-libtheora --enable-libvorbis --enable-libvo-aacenc --enable-openal --enable-libopus --enable-libvidstab --enable-ibvpx --enable-libwavpack --enable-libxavs --enable-libx264 --enable-libx265 --enable-libxvid --enable-libzvbi
  libavutil      52. 90.101 / 52. 90.101
  libavcodec     55. 68.100 / 55. 68.100
  libavformat    55. 44.100 / 55. 44.100
  libavdevice    55. 13.101 / 55. 13.101
  libavfilter     4.  9.100 /  4.  9.100
  libswscale      2.  6.100 /  2.  6.100
  libswresample   0. 19.100 /  0. 19.100
  libpostproc    52.  3.100 / 52.  3.100

to the installer.

[Wringst]

It uses whatever version is available. (if you change out versions you should reset the tool cache (Config->Tools->Clear ...)

On Windows I added:

ffmpeg version git-2014-06-29-f02a440 Copyright (c) 2000-2014 the FFmpeg developers
  built on Jun 29 2014 08:15:34 with gcc 4.9.0 (Rev4, Built by MSYS2 project)
  configuration: --arch=x86_64 --disable-debug --disable-shared --disable-doc --enable-gpl --enable-version3 --enable-runtime-cpudetect --enable-avfilter --enable-bzlib --enable-zlib --enable-librtmp --enable-gnutls --enable-avisynth --enable-frei0r --enable-filter=frei0r --enable-libbluray --enable-libcaca --enable-libopenjpeg --enable-fontconfig --enable-libfreetype --enable-libass --enable-libgsm --enable-libmodplug --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libopencore-amrnb --enable-libopencore-amrwb --enable-libvo-amrwbenc --enable-libschroedinger --enable-libsoxr --enable-libtwolame --enable-libutvideo --enable-libspeex --enable-libtheora --enable-libvorbis --enable-libvo-aacenc --enable-openal --enable-libopus --enable-libvidstab --enable-ibvpx --enable-libwavpack --enable-libxavs --enable-libx264 --enable-libx265 --enable-libxvid --enable-libzvbi
  libavutil      52. 90.101 / 52. 90.101
  libavcodec     55. 68.100 / 55. 68.100
  libavformat    55. 44.100 / 55. 44.100
  libavdevice    55. 13.101 / 55. 13.101
  libavfilter     4.  9.100 /  4.  9.100
  libswscale      2.  6.100 /  2.  6.100
  libswresample   0. 19.100 /  0. 19.100
  libpostproc    52.  3.100 / 52.  3.100

to the installer.

I tried utvideo coded videos (from premiere) as input files. When ffmpeg was selected as input decoder it doesn't work with lossless encoders. When I cosed avisynth it worked. However the FFMPEG's UT codec works excellent as encoder!

[Selur]

Reencoding ut video content works fine here, would need a sample of a file which can't be reencoded when Avisynth is used to reproduce the problem.

[Wringst]

Reencoding ut video content works fine here, would need a sample of a file which can't be reencoded when Avisynth is used to reproduce the problem.

Re! Here is the file: https://docs.zoho.com/file/mb9ur0d3cca7c8cab4297baef3228f511268e

[Selur]

Will look at it and report back

[Wringst]

Will look at it and report back

Are there any difference between bt709 and bt601 ut codec decoding? (it was encoded by bt709 encoder)

[Selur]

Can't reproduce your problem.
What I did:

• start Hybrid
• load your source
• enabled "Config->Internals->Avisynth->Always use Avisynth" to make sure Avisynth is used, even when I use no Avisynth filter which would require it's usage
• set 'Main->Handling->Video handling' to UT Video
• set a .avi output file (Main->Output file')
• created a job: 'Main->Add to queue'
• started the job (Jobs->Start)

-> works fine here with Avisynth, no playback problem

Since I got the UT video vfw codec installed, I also did another test where I enabled 'Filtering->Avisynth->Misc->Misc->Prefer AviSource for input'. (otherwise FFvideoSource, would be used)
-> same result, nor problem processing the file using Avisynth

Cu Selur
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Are there any difference between bt709 and bt601 ut codec decoding? (it was encoded by bt709 encoder)

Yes, if you decode bt709 content with bt601 without using colormatrix and appropriate settings, the output will differ from the input color representation .

[Gravitator]

Всем халоу!

x265 is capricious and not going to take non-integers for -aq (1.10-crash;1-ok)
- It seems that again the problem "Minimize command line"

[Selur]

yes it is.

[Wringst]

Can't reproduce your problem.
What I did:

• start Hybrid
• load your source
• enabled "Config->Internals->Avisynth->Always use Avisynth" to make sure Avisynth is used, even when I use no Avisynth filter which would require it's usage
• set 'Main->Handling->Video handling' to UT Video
• set a .avi output file (Main->Output file')
• created a job: 'Main->Add to queue'
• started the job (Jobs->Start)

-> works fine here with Avisynth, no playback problem

Since I got the UT video vfw codec installed, I also did another test where I enabled 'Filtering->Avisynth->Misc->Misc->Prefer AviSource for input'. (otherwise FFvideoSource, would be used)
-> same result, nor problem processing the file using Avisynth

Cu Selur
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Are there any difference between bt709 and bt601 ut codec decoding? (it was encoded by bt709 encoder)

Yes, if you decode bt709 content with bt601 without using colormatrix and appropriate settings, the output will differ from the input color representation .

It works fine with avisynth ,however it has problems without the usage of avisynth. Did you enjoy the BT709 colors of the fruits of the video?

[Gravitator]

whether you attempt to encode Daala?

[Selur]

whether you attempt to encode Daala?

never looked at Daala. (is there a decoder&encoder available somewhere?)

It works fine with avisynth ,however it has problems without the usage of avisynth.

Ah, okay. I misinterpreted your English.
Still can't reproduce your problem, here's what I did:

• started Hybrid
• loaded your source
• set 'Main->Handling->Video handling' to UT Video
• set a .avi output file (Main->Output file')
• created a job: 'Main->Add to queue'
• started the job (Jobs->Start)

-> output looked fine, what problem do you encounter?

[Wringst]

whether you attempt to encode Daala?

never looked at Daala. (is there a decoder&encoder available somewhere?)

It works fine with avisynth ,however it has problems without the usage of avisynth.

Ah, okay. I misinterpreted your English.
Still can't reproduce your problem, here's what I did:

• started Hybrid
• loaded your source
• set 'Main->Handling->Video handling' to UT Video
• set a .avi output file (Main->Output file')
• created a job: 'Main->Add to queue'
• started the job (Jobs->Start)

-> output looked fine, what problem do you encounter?

Other problem appeared. When I comapre the original ut-video file, and the transcoded compressed files, the compressed video files look choppier than the original. It seems that they lost half of their frame-rate,, despite the mediaplayers (MPC-HC and Potplayer) show the fps as "normal".

I uploaded the original ut video file (2GB) here: https://docs.zoho.com/file/mb9ur17b7c07c2e3040b5aa30a3cba4e2f5c3

and the compressed files : (65Mbyte) VP9file:: https://docs.zoho.com/file/mb9ur77ba424996bf4891afd88b185103dada

X264 file: (65MByte) https://docs.zoho.com/file/mb9urfe09d8b651044520936529cf8423ccf8

[Selur]

Other problem appeared.

... you didn't even specify what the first problem was

the compressed video files look choppier than the original.

if they lost half of their frame rate can be easily checked by analysing them with mediainfo or checking the frame rate and frame count by opening the reencode in Hybrid.

[Wringst]

Other problem appeared.

... you didn't even specify what the first problem was

the compressed video files look choppier than the original.

if they lost half of their frame rate can be easily checked by analysing them with mediainfo or checking the frame rate and frame count by opening the reencode in Hybrid.

Yes I checked frame rate and count by the mediainfo, they show normal values. However, after you downloaded the uploaded files, you will see the significant differences during playback....

[Selur]

When frame count and frame rate match, the problem might be a playback problem.

Downloading the 2GB file will take a while, max download speed I get is 1.3MB/s and download is indicated to take 1/2 hour, problem is I have to be out of the house in 10min, so I will download and look at it later.

[Wringst]

When frame count and frame rate match, the problem might be a playback problem.

Downloading the 2GB file will take a while, max download speed I get is 1.3MB/s and download is indicated to take 1/2 hour, problem is I have to be out of the house in 10min, so I will download and look at it later.

After you downloaded the files, can you reflect about the problems? Because it will be obvious that the real visible frame-rate (not the nominal what the mediainfo and other services indicate) is slower than the original. I tried it with windows media player MPC-HC Potplayer and VLC too)

[Selur]

After you downloaded the files, can you reflect about the problems?

Problems? Are there other problems to look for than that "the compressed video files look choppier than the original" ?

[Selur]

Also try to enable 'Config->Internals->Avisynth->Always use Avisynth' and see if that changes anything, if it does then there might be a decoding problem in ffmpeg or mencoder.

[Wringst]

After you downloaded the files, can you reflect about the problems?

Problems? Are there other problems to look for than that "the compressed video files look choppier than the original" ?

No, but the fps problem is enough big problem in itself. Could you download the uploaded files?

[Wringst]

Also try to enable 'Config->Internals->Avisynth->Always use Avisynth' and see if that changes anything, if it does then there might be a decoding problem in ffmpeg or mencoder.

Yes, I did it, but the problem remained the same. Can you write a notification for ffmpeg or avisyth developers? (you can also use the uploaded sample files for that)

[Selur]

Could you download the uploaded files?

Not at home atm. so I haven't looked at them so far, but my machine at home should have downloaded them.

Yes, I did it, but the problem remained the same.

Try, also if it changes anything if you additionally enable: "Filtering->Avisynth->Misc->Prefer AvisSource for avi input" this way the vfw decoder instead of the libutvideo decoder should be used.

[Selur]

Attached 3 reencodes of your source and looked at them:

LoadCPlugin("G:\Hybrid\avisynthPlugins\ffms2.dll")
# loading source
v1 = FFVideoSource("Sequence 01_1.avi").SubTitle("original")
v2 = FFVideoSource("x264.mkv").SubTitle("x264")
v3 = FFVideoSource("decodedByAviSource(UT Video VFW).mp4").SubTitle("decodedByAviSource(UT Video VFW)")
v4 = FFVideoSource("decodedByFFVideoSource.mp4").SubTitle("decodedByFFVideoSource")
v5 = FFVideoSource("decodedByFFmpeg.mp4").SubTitle("decodedByFFmpeg")
StackVertical(StackHorizontal(StackHorizontal(v2,v3), StackHorizontal(v4,v5)), StackHorizontal(StackHorizontal(v1, v1), StackHorizontal(v1, v1)))

And your encode seem to be lagging.
Problem is that none of my encodes does.
-> can't reproduce your problem.
Did you enable some filter which isn't enabled by default?
If you can reproduce your output and create a DebugOutput while doing it (see: http://www.selur.de/support) I can have another look at it, otherwise with me not being able to reproduce the problem I must leave it as it is.

Cu Selur

[Wringst]

Attached 3 reencodes of your source and looked at them:

LoadCPlugin("G:\Hybrid\avisynthPlugins\ffms2.dll")
# loading source
v1 = FFVideoSource("Sequence 01_1.avi").SubTitle("original")
v2 = FFVideoSource("x264.mkv").SubTitle("x264")
v3 = FFVideoSource("decodedByAviSource(UT Video VFW).mp4").SubTitle("decodedByAviSource(UT Video VFW)")
v4 = FFVideoSource("decodedByFFVideoSource.mp4").SubTitle("decodedByFFVideoSource")
v5 = FFVideoSource("decodedByFFmpeg.mp4").SubTitle("decodedByFFmpeg")
StackVertical(StackHorizontal(StackHorizontal(v2,v3), StackHorizontal(v4,v5)), StackHorizontal(StackHorizontal(v1, v1), StackHorizontal(v1, v1)))

And your encode seem to be lagging.
Problem is that none of my encodes does.
-> can't reproduce your problem.
Did you enable some filter which isn't enabled by default?
If you can reproduce your output and create a DebugOutput while doing it (see: http://www.selur.de/support) I can have another look at it, otherwise with me not being able to reproduce the problem I must leave it as it is.

Cu Selur

The avisource option hepled, but is it possible to turn on automatically when the source is avi?

[Selur]

The avisource option hepled, ...

Strange thing is that it works for me fine with ffmpeg and FFVideoSource, since assuming you used the latest release we should use the same versions.

... is it possible to turn on automatically when the source is avi?

Save it inside your defaults,... see: [Info] About profiles and saving settings,....

Cu Selur