Hybrid(Windows/Linux/Mac): Input -> x264/x265/Xvid/VP8/VP9

[Selur]

a. "but hybrid does not add to his list of jobs?" -> then Hybrid should output some error or something,...
b. "park_joy_1080p50" this (https://media.xiph.org/video/derf/y4m/park_joy_1080p50.y4m) one ? Haven't used y4m as input for ages. May be there is a handling problem somewhere. (will download the y4m and try to reproduce if that is your source)

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Got the problem.
y4m needs ffmpeg for decoding, but Xvid encoding needs mencoder as decoder.
-> will fix

[Gravitator]

Daala began to show signs of life > storage of samples
(from LigH)
We are waiting decoder They promise to tear on the British flag HEVC developers

[Selur]

in regards to Daala: I hope it is not as slow as VP9.
On that regard: VP9 still has no proper 2pass rate control and multi-threading support, which renders it totally useless to me and I fear that Daala will go down the same road.

[Selur]

Got the y4m->Xvid encoding working now, only downside: there is no progress indication since mencoder doesn't provide any when fed through a pipe, which is necessary since mencoder doesn't support y4m input.
-> if you tell me which OS you use I can compile and upload a fixed test version for you.

[Selur]

It's time to think about the support of older OSs.

Should Hybrid try to keep supporting:

• Windows XP?
  Since the security support for it died, one should probably switch to a newer OS. Also looking at the recent trouble with x265, it's not hard to imagine that other tools might want to drop XP support too.
• Linux with Qt versions below 4.8?
  With Ubuntu 14.04 LTS being out an thus replacing Ubuntu 10.04 and all current Linux distributions support Qt 4.8+, dropping 4.6 support shouldn't be too much harm.
• Mac OS X below 10.8?
  Mac OS X is a sad picture regarding free tools, since:
  • it seems like nobody is compiling mencoder/mplayer for Mac OS X 10.6+ (with libbluray and libass in it)
    to be frank most other tools also do not get up-to-date releases for mac, but most of them are easy to compile manually.
  • newer tsMuxeR versions require Mac OS X 10.8
  • newer mkvtoolnix versions require Mac OS 10.7

Would be nice to get some feedback.

Cu Selur

[deadrats]

XP came out in 2001, that means it's already 13 years old. i see no reason to support an OS that old, if you're going to support it why not Win 2k, why not Win NT, Win 98, Win 3.1, at some point we need to move on.

the writing is on the wall, the ship is sinking and the rats are fleeing the ship, x265 is not the first app to drop support for XP, it won't be the last; my guess would be that as we transition away from h264 and towards more modern encoders, whatever that encoder may be, you will find less and less of them target XP as a supported OS, it's going to cause problems for you.

btw, have you ever considered adding gpu decoding support to Hybrid via DXVA and/or gpu powered filters? i've used apps that have those features and they can be huge benefit even if the app doesn't have any sort of gpu encoding.

i'm also going to strongly suggest you consider adding support for Nvidia's hardware encoder and support for AMD's hardware VCE encoder. since there are no cli versions you will have to write the code yourself but if you are a skilled enough programmer i think you have a golden opportunity to make yourself a few bucks.

basically all new cards coming out from Nvidia and AMD have the built in hardware encoders, so within a few years almost every computer will have some sort of hardware powered encoding ability. you could take advantage of that by continuing to offer the current version for free but have the version with hardware acceleration be a paid product. i think if you did have such a product you could probably get $50 per license for it, i know i'd be glad to find an app that supported dxva, gpu filtering and encoding via VCE and NVENC for $50, hell i'd be happy if i found one that could do that for $100. maybe you could partner with the Neat Video people and integrated that excellent denoising filter that is also CUDA accelerated into your app and give them a piece of the pie in exchange.

since you obviously like continuously developing Hybrid and listen to your users feedback, i think you have a good opportunity to make yourself some dough and position you app as the go-to product for gpu goodness.

[Selur]

btw, have you ever considered adding gpu decoding support to Hybrid via DXVA and/or gpu powered filters?

Hybrid does support DGDecNV and like the with the gpu encoders, there are no free tools available that allow to be used as decoders afaik.

i'm also going to strongly suggest you consider adding support for Nvidia's hardware encoder and support for AMD's hardware VCE encoder. since there are no cli versions you will have to write the code yourself but if you are a skilled enough programmer i think you have a golden opportunity to make yourself a few bucks.

Problem is I simply lack the time to code and additionally update and support such a tool, so I don't think support for it will come any time soon.

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thanks for the feedback regarding supporting older OSs

[Gravitator]

Win7x64.
How do I turn off ''- input-csp i420'' for x264?

[Selur]

you can not.
re-read:
https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/345169-Hybrid%28Windows-Linux-Mac%29-Input-x264-x26...=1#post2316060
btw. I also send you a link to a dev version which should fix the y4m->encoding issue and should also fix your x264 problem

[Gravitator]

Starting Main@20:08:57.779:
"C:\PROGRA~1\Hybrid\mencoder.exe" -demuxer rawvideo -rawvideo w=1920:h=1080:fps=50 - -noskip -vf scale,format=i420 -forcedsubsonly -nosound -lavdopts threads=2 -mc 0 -fps 50 -ovc xvid -xvidencopts pass=1:turbo:bitrate=6800:me_quality=6:quant_type= h263:min_iquant=1:max_iquant=31:min_pquant=1:max_p quant=31:min_bquant=1:max_bquant=31:max_key_interv al=250:keyframe_boost=10:kfthreshold=1:kfreduction =20:quant_type=h263:max_bframes=3:bquant_ratio=150 :bquant_offset=100:bf_threshold=0:vhq=2:bvhq=1:cur ve_compression_high=0:curve_compression_low=0verflow_control_strength=10:max_overflow_improveme nt=10:max_overflow_degradation=10:trellis:noqpel:n ogmc:nocartoon:chroma_opt:chroma_me:nointerlacingar=extar_width=1ar_height=1:closed_gop:nopacked:threads=2 -passlogfile "C:\TEMP\xvid_20_08_07_9710_02.stats" -of lavf -lavfopts format=mkv -o "H:\xvid.mkv"
finished after 00:00:49.862
Created H:\xvid.mkv (242.111 MB)
detected free size (MB): 1747
finishedJob: 20_08_07_9710
Job 20_08_07_9710 finished!



does not have a file

[Selur]

cut from the log and not even in quote- or code-tags => not useful at all.
-> re-read: http://www.selur.de/support

There definitly is something wrong, since:
a. the output name shouldn't be xvid.mkv, but xvid_20_08_07_9710_02.mkv
b. the output of the mencoder call should end up in the temp folder (like the stats file)
c. that output should be deleted after remuxing with mkvmerge
-> please provide proper infos which allow to reproduce the problem

Cu Selur

[Gravitator]

OK. - already see that the 2-pass does not create a file; abr normal

[Selur]

Problem seems to be that the output get's created and then it get's deleted.

2014.04.23 - 20:40:06_Windows 7-64bit_2014.04.23.1 - level 4: Created C:\TEMP\xvid.avi (242.121 MB)
2014.04.23 - 20:40:06_Windows 7-64bit_2014.04.23.1 - level 4:  checking, output: H:\xvid.avi
2014.04.23 - 20:40:06_Windows 7-64bit_2014.04.23.1 - level 4: JobHandler starting processing,...
2014.04.23 - 20:40:06_Windows 7-64bit_2014.04.23.1 - level 4: Killing process,...
2014.04.23 - 20:40:06_Windows 7-64bit_2014.04.23.1 - level 4: Killing helper,...
2014.04.23 - 20:40:06_Windows 7-64bit_2014.04.23.1 - level 4:  detected free size (MB): 1980
2014.04.23 - 20:40:06_Windows 7-64bit_2014.04.23.1 - level 4: Processing: 20_38_25_5510_03_cleanUp
2014.04.23 - 20:40:06_Windows 7-64bit_2014.04.23.1 - level 4: Processing 20_38_25_5510_03_cleanUp: "C:\TEMP\xvid.avi"

between the creation and the deletion, should be a call which moves to output, seems like that one is missing for some reason, might be reated to the video having no audio.
-> will try to reproduce.
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only happens with video only avi output -> will fix

[Gravitator]

park_joy_1080p50.y4m - Сlearly shows the error in the motion
Look at how bands / imprints remain after the trees on the grass - x264 a winning situation
So I asked at the minimum block size HEVC

[DarrellS]

It's time to think about the support of older OSs.

Should Hybrid try to keep supporting:

• Windows XP?
  Since the security support for it died, one should probably switch to a newer OS. Also looking at the recent trouble with x265, it's not hard to imagine that other tools might want to drop XP support too.
• Linux with Qt versions below 4.8?
  With Ubuntu 14.04 LTS being out an thus replacing Ubuntu 10.04 and all current Linux distributions support Qt 4.8+, dropping 4.6 support shouldn't be too much harm.
• Mac OS X below 10.8?
  Mac OS X is a sad picture regarding free tools, since:
  • it seems like nobody is compiling mencoder/mplayer for Mac OS X 10.6+ (with libbluray and libass in it)
    to be frank most other tools also do not get up-to-date releases for mac, but most of them are easy to compile manually.
  • newer tsMuxeR versions require Mac OS X 10.8
  • newer mkvtoolnix versions require Mac OS 10.7

Would be nice to get some feedback.

Cu Selur

I got a message in Avast update this morning, stating that they will continue to support Windows XP. I really thought that MS would extend the end of life for XP since I had read that 41 percent of computer users still use XP (that is a huge number) and a few corporations stated that they would continue to use XP. It doesn't matter if MS supports XP or not since I hadn't had any updates since SP3 and never had any issues with XP. I'm pretty tempted to put my XP HDD back in and get rid of Windows 7. It's either that or buy four more GB of memory (the limit for this P35 board) which I can't afford. Windows 7 seems to do everything at a crawl with frequent unresponsive errors trying to do tasks that were a breeze using XP. I've tried every trick I could find with Google to speed up Windows 7 but it seems useless as long as Windows 7 needs 1.5 GB of memory to do what XP could do with 512 MB of memory. I can see why newer boards support 64 GB of memory because that's about how much memory you would need to get Windows 7 to run like XP with 3.7 GB of memory.

[Selur]

btw. released a new version, so if you find a bug make sure it's still present in the latest version before reporting it (thanks)

[Gravitator]

strange x264 encoding

[Selur]

just a small glitch nothing problematic
command line contains mencoder, ffmpeg and an encoder and Hybrid just mixes up the progress info a bit.

[Gravitator]

more in excess mentioned (the photo shows)

detected free size (MB): 1253
detected free size (MB): 1253
detected free size (MB): 1253

[Selur]

that just shows the amount of space left on the target drive, also a glitch, no problem

[Gravitator]

Ceased to fall 'x264-10bit' it seems that reinstall the OS affected

[Gravitator]

HEVC-10bit will be? XMediaRecode already learned to add

[Selur]

Hybrid has it for month,...

[Gravitator]

Error if desired view of the filter

[Gravitator]

DivX/HEVC opposed to encode in "--cq'' mode

[Selur]

DivX/HEVC opposed to encode in "--cq'' mode

fixed it locally, should be '-qp'

Error if desired view of the filter

I see the problem -> fill fix.

[Gravitator]

DivX/HEVC opposed to encode in "--cq'' mode

fixed it locally, should be '-qp'

Error if desired view of the filter

I see the problem -> fill fix.

Thanks!
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Coder from Daala have plans for this month?

[Selur]

Coder from Daala have plans for this month?

no clue, don't really keep up-to-date with Daala, seems to be too far away to me to be interesting atm.

[Selur]

@Graviator: send you a PM whit a link to a Hybrid version which should fix the issues you reported.

[Gravitator]

Mode Avisynth showing filtering, but no simple mode.
and