60fps Conversion

[rivitingeffect]

Hello,

I am using a Cannon Vixia HF R100 HD handicam. I shoot the video I want, then I throw it into a video converter program called AnyVideo Converter. When I look at the file on my comp by right clicking and going to properties then clicking details it "says" that the fps for the clip is 29frame/second. However when I put it into the file converter to be converted under fps it states that it is 60fps. Why? Also I can change the frame rate if I want but it only goes up to 30fps. If I do this as you can imagine the clip is slowed way down. How can I convert this file, keep the fps, and make it a .mp4 so I can manipulate it in Ps? The files original format is .MTS. Lastly why does my comp say the clip is 29fps if it really is not?

-Jeremy-

[poisondeathray]

1920x1080i60 is interlaced , 59.94 fields per second, or 29.97 frames per second

It's a big topic, but you can read up on what interlace means, but essentially each field is 1/2 a frame. If you want it progressive, you would need to deinterlace. There are 2 general modes, single rate and double rate. So if you single rate deinterlaced you would get 29.97p , double rate would get you 59.94p

[rivitingeffect]

I guess it's safe for me to assume that I need a program to deinterlace? If so have any recommendations of free ones?

[poisondeathray]

and make it a .mp4 so I can manipulate it in Ps?

What is " PS" ? What are you trying to do with this ? Most editing programs will handle interlace

[rivitingeffect]

Ps is Photoshop. I work for a poor school district and was only able to get my hands on Photoshop. You can alter frames in photoshop by adding or taking away things. Most people do this with After Effects but like I said I was just lucky my school got me photoshop. It just takes longer in photoshop but it can still be done. So you can do rotoscoping in photoshop, it'll just take a lot of time. I'm trying to change someones eye color, which I have accomplished but since I converted the file at half the reg speed of it when I export from Ps it exports at half speed. Does this make sense?

[poisondeathray]

I would download a trial of AE . Much faster

Even a trial version of any NLE (e.g. vegas pro, premiere pro) would be much faster with secondary color correction, masks

Or blender for free

[poisondeathray]

If you still wanted to go the conversion route, try something like avidemux 2.6

http://avidemux.razorbyte.com.au/

You can find a few deinterlacers under video filters, try yadif

[rivitingeffect]

I also have Premiere but it's not the pro so it doesn't have color correction. If I change the settings in the AnyVideo Converter that I have will this help. I can change: Video Codec, Frame Size, Video Bitrate, and Video Framerate even though it only goes to 30fps. Will any of those help to convert the clip to mp4(Which I can select in the program) and keep the speed of the original and not slow it way down?

[poisondeathray]

anyvideoconverter is based on ffmpeg, and it has problems with h.264 transport streams, so probably not that program

ffmbc (basically a ffmpeg branch) handles them better, but there is no GUI for it

try avidemux

[rivitingeffect]

Thank you for your help I will look into the other options you mentioned.

[rivitingeffect]

Well I downloaded avidmux but when I try to open my file inside of the program this is what I get: "This file looks like mpeg would you like to index it?" Then I say "Yes"? It goes on to read: "If the file is using B-frames as reference it can lead to a crash or stuttering. Avidmux can use another mode which is safe but YOU WILL LOSE FRAME ACCURACY. Do you want to use that mode?" Then I hit "Yes" again? It then proceeds to open the video but the screen is completely green and if I hit the play button the program just crash and disappears. When I re-open the program is says: "I have detected a crash file. Do you want to load it?" So that's where I'm at as of now. Sorry for all the trouble I'm pretty new to bitrate, fps, decoding, deinterlacing, and any other video lingo, so please bare with me. I do like to learn and remember and pass on to others. Thank you for your help it is much appreciated.

[davexnet]

Did you download Avidemux 2.5 instead of 2.6?
There is a new build of 2.6, 7748, just released today.

(2.5 and 2.6 can be installed concurrently, if you'd like to try them both)

[rivitingeffect]

Alrighty!! Downloaded 2.6!! So just a few quick questions. 1) I loaded my vid and it opened (no green) and now I select video output mpeg4 AVC, mpeg4 ASP(xvid4), or mpeg4 ASP(FF)? What are the differences and by changing it to this will this allow me to use it in Premiere Elements? Then I would go to "Filters" then select "Interlacing" and "Yadif" and the hit add symbol then configre? Lastly where do I go to download this converted version there is no convert button or anything. Again sorry about all the questions if you think there is a video that could explain it better I am always up to watch a vid. Thank you so much again for your time.

[rivitingeffect]

Well I did a little test on my own to see if I could figure it out and I got it but when I try to load the clip into Adobe Prem it loads all red with no clip and just stays red why? Here are the setting that I changed the clip to: Video- Mpeg4 ASP(ff) with interlacing yadif added under filters. Audio- AAC(lav), Output Format- MP4 Muxer. Is there something wrong with the settings I gave it? Remeber trying to convert from .H264 to Mp4 format.

[davexnet]

try leaving audio @ copy, and setting video to mpeg-4 avc (x264)

[rivitingeffect]

What do I set the Output Format to? MP4 Muxer? And if this doesn't work what would you suggest. I want to be able to throw this into Adobe premire to work with it.

[davexnet]

Assuming the audio is mp4 compatible, sure. Otherwise you can set audio to aac.
What is the source audio format?

[rivitingeffect]

I'm not really sure. I am using a Cannon Vixia HF R100 Handicam so the audio and video are captured together. I don't know if that even helps with your question, I am super new at this stuff. I was able to make it appear in Premiere after using these settings: Video- Mpeg4 AVC (x264), Audio- AAC (Lav), Output Format- MP4 Muxer, but once in Premiere it speeds up the clip for some reason.

[poisondeathray]

If you are using elements, why not open the .mts directly in elements ? There shouldn't be any reason to convert it, unless you are using very old version that doesn't support AVCHD

What version of elements are you using ?

[rivitingeffect]

I'm using elements 8 and it does open it, I need to change the format because I need to make changes on the clip through Photoshop and Ps does not support .MTS. I don't have an extra 200+ dollars to get After Effects or Premiere Pro, believe me if I did I would. I chalk it up to learning new things about video format and audio format. So this is good in a way, semi frustrating but good.

[poisondeathray]

Then why are you converting with avidemux, then again with elements ??? What am I missing ?

(Each time you re-encode with a lossy format , it will lose quality. It' s best to avoid lossy re-encoding)



IMO - Photoshop has poor support for video (it can open some types of video, but it's quite limited)

How about exporting an image sequence (like png sequence) for photoshop , then make your edits, then re-import the edited image sequence back into your editor?

If this is a 1 shot deal, you can use the trial version of AE

[rivitingeffect]

Alright I'll try that. So download AE and use the color correction for the eye for the clip then save that clip and import into Premiere? Is there anything I need to do to get the clip into AE or no because it supports .H264. Thanks again for the help every one, us new guys are dumb.

[poisondeathray]

You can open mts avchd camcorder clips directly in AE

Without an Adobe suite, you cannot use dynamic link, so you have to export something out of AE (instead of linking the programs directly). Most people would use a lossless RGB compression format (but filesize is huge) , so something like lagarith (needs to be installed separately)

Roto work is much easier in AE, and it has simliar tools to photoshop (it's like photoshop for video) .

Without knowing the details of what you are doing exactly - I'm guessing you want to do a very rough garbage matte, then use the change to color filter to selectively change the color of the subject's eyes. (eg. blue eyes to green, or something like that)

[rivitingeffect]

Oh also, when the trial runs out after I make the corrections on this clip will I still be able to use it in adobe premiere?

[poisondeathray]

If you save out the clip as a video, with the corrections/adjustments applied, you can open that altered video in any program - it will retain the adjustments you've made.

It's not like layers or smart objects in a photoshop psd file - it becomes completely flattened into "1 layer" - that's how video works when it's exported . The original will be unretrievable, so you should ALWAYS retain copies of the original footage (in case you need it for different projects later)

[rivitingeffect]

I teach an after school film class at the elementary I work at and the kids are shooting a movie and I thought it would be cool if at the end of the movie we have some drink "serum" and it effects him and the first thing that lets you know it has effected him is his eyes change. Sort of similar to the ending scene "The Incredible Hulk" with Edward Norton, don't know if you saw that or not but it's a lot like that.

[poisondeathray]

That's fairly easy to do in "normal" NLE's like premiere , vegas - at least in the "pro" versions . Elements might not have proper masking tools or filters (not sure)

Essentially it's the same thing that you would do in photoshop for 1 frame, but all you need is the start and end point. The "keyframes" for the gradual change in color overtime can be automatically interpolated. If this is isn't making any sense, I can walk you through it or I'm sure there are step by step tutorials on how to do this on youtube

[rivitingeffect]

It makes a little but I think I understand. I am in the process of trying it now. Dowloading AE.

[rivitingeffect]

Hello,
Back again. So I now have the AE Trial so the clocks ticking. I watched a tutorial on how to change eye color and I did it, but the layer mask stays on through out the entire clip. I created a key frame when starting the eye color change, so how do I get it to only show the green when it's time. Also when I am done I go to file->Export-> and ?. My options are Adobe Flash Player (but that saves it as a jpeg photo and not a video, tried it), Adobe Flash Professional, or Adobe Premiere Pro Project (but I don't have Pro I have elements). How do I save this like you said so that it can play on any player or editing program with the edits I have made. Thank you.

[poisondeathray]

I watched a tutorial on how to change eye color and I did it, but the layer mask stays on through out the entire clip. I created a key frame when starting the eye color change, so how do I get it to only show the green when it's time.

What effect did you use to change the color? There's at least 2 simple ways to do this

One is to keyframe the effect - e.g. most effects will have the "stopwatch" button, so you set a keyframe to begin, and a keyframe to end - so the effect changes over time

The other is to use 2 layers, the top layer has the effect applied, the bottom layer is identical copy, but no effect applied. You keyframe the opacity over time (hit "t" on the top layer, set keyframe opacity to zero at the beginning, 100% at the end)

Also when I am done I go to file->Export-> and ?. My options are Adobe Flash Player (but that saves it as a jpeg photo and not a video, tried it), Adobe Flash Professional, or Adobe Premiere Pro Project (but I don't have Pro I have elements). How do I save this like you said so that it can play on any player or editing program with the edits I have made. Thank you.

With the composition selected, use composition => add to render queue. This gives you 1000's of more options

As to what format - I mentioned to earlier. I would use a lossless RGB intermediate (but huge filesizes). e.g. lagarith will give you ~50% compression over uncompressed and is readily accepted into other pograms like premiere pro

(there are many more export options, but you have to provdie more details on what you plan to do with this, e.g are you importing into a different program? etc....the choice you make depends on what you plan to do with it)