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  1. I am new encoder in the encoding world using MeGUI. I have encoded 720p 4.36 gb movie compress to 800mb. But there are some small block in the video. Sample image given below-


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    So, can anyone help me to figure this out. Which filter needed to use to improve the picture quality or suggest me any setting without increasing bit rate.

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    Resize to a lower resolution/frame size if you want to keep it so small(800MB).
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  3. Originally Posted by Baldrick View Post
    Resize to a lower resolution/frame size if you want to keep it so small(800MB).
    I don't want to resize that. Keeping 720p Is there any way to improve the quality...
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    Originally Posted by legend10 View Post
    Originally Posted by Baldrick View Post
    Resize to a lower resolution/frame size if you want to keep it so small(800MB).
    I don't want to resize that. Keeping 720p Is there any way to improve the quality...

    I agree with Baldrick, resize to 540p.


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    the short answer is no, the 4.36gb 720p video was already way over compressed; standard blu-ray sources are typically 20-25 mb/s 1080p at about 20+gb, someone then took that and created a slightly over 4gb 720p video, which resulted in throwing away tons of resolution and detail and you now want to take that same 720p movie and drop it down to 800mb with no artifacts or blocks?

    even if you started out with the original blu-ray you wouldn't be able to do that, hell i'm not sure you could do it if you even had the master.
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    I hate to disagree with Baldrick, but you can definitely make great 720p mp4 or mkv and keep the file size around 800mb. I would definitely stop using megui if that's the best quality you can get. That looks like a VCD from 10 years ago. For converting 1080p bluray to tiny 720p mp4, I go right to Handbrake. Even on 50" screen they look great.
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    Originally Posted by Chef Goldblum View Post
    I hate to disagree with Baldrick, but you can definitely make great 720p mp4 or mkv and keep the file size around 800mb. I would definitely stop using megui if that's the best quality you can get. That looks like a VCD from 10 years ago. For converting 1080p bluray to tiny 720p mp4, I go right to Handbrake. Even on 50" screen they look great.
    I agree with Baldrick and strongly disagree with you,get a fast action movie and encode it to 800mb 720p.
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    Yeah, that's cool Johns0. Many do on this topic, but I think the Matrix 2 qualifies as having some fast action parts, and I have a home made mp4 that tops out at 875mb. I've also recently done Inception and Transformers Dark of the Moon. Those came in around 1gb and look way way better than the cap shown above. It's totally possible.
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    let's see a sample of your awesome looking fast action scenes on your mind boggling 800mb encodes.......I've got some cell phone booster stickers to sell as well.
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    No reason to be a dick about it. I very nicely pointed out to the original poster that it is possible. If you just want to insult me, and don't have an interest in actually helping the guy then why don't you shove off?
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  11. megui and handbrake both use the same encoder: x264

    If you used the same settings , preprocessing and x264 version, you will get identical output

    (but handbrake uses very old x264 version, unless you are using nightly build)
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    well cook goldblum, newbies giving newbies bad advice doesn't do anyone any good. there's a reason vcd was 352x240, and it was so at the low vcd bitrate it would be watchable. 720p at those bitrates isn't pretty no matter who or what encodes it.
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    Chef Goldblum - I also would like to see a clip of your low bitrate encode.
    Could you please upload a 15 (approx) second clip ?

    I've had some luck my self re-encoding movie trailers, just to see what was possible, re: low bitrates.
    However, I never went as low as you have. There is always some trade off; I'd be interested in seeing how yours came out.
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    Originally Posted by aedipuss View Post
    well cook goldblum, newbies giving newbies bad advice doesn't do anyone any good. there's a reason vcd was 352x240, and it was so at the low vcd bitrate it would be watchable. 720p at those bitrates isn't pretty no matter who or what encodes it.
    my point exactly. disseminating garbage information like "I can squeeze HD full length movies onto a floppy disk" and "K-Crap codec package will solve all your video problems" needs to be challenged to keep others from going down the wrong path and keeping the forum helpful for those who really want to know how to produce a quality product.

    p.s. - u mad?
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    All comes down to what one considers watchable. I tend to encode higher bit rates to future proof playback quality.

    Even after the Thailand flood, hard drives are cheap and getting cheaper. The real work is in the encoding. I want to do this once.
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  16. Originally Posted by edDV View Post
    ... I tend to encode higher bit rates to future proof playback quality. ...
    Hi edDV,

    So, you go with bit-rates nd not the file size! So, what bit rates do you usually go for!?!?

    Thanks!

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  17. Originally Posted by gonwk View Post
    So, you go with bit-rates and not the file size!
    They're one and the same. For the same movie, the bitrate determines the file size and vice-versa.

    And neither correlates much with quality. For that go with quality-based encoding.
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    For 720p i go for 7k bitrate,enough so i don't see mosaic patterns in dark screens.
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    aedipuss - To assume someone has no experience because they are using a new account on "your" website is dumb. I've been working with digital video since 2000 and before that I worked with analog equipment. Who cares if that impresses anyone, I'm just saying that I am not new.

    greymalkin - I don't need to get angry, just pointing out that there's no reason to be a dick.

    davexnet - I've put some clips up. 2mb or so each and around 15 seconds of 720p footage with the borders clipped. Let's see if you enjoy it, and watch on your TV if you can.

    edDV - I'd rather play movies from a server than to swap bluray so these types of rips appeal to me. I am working with 3TB right now and that's the best of my collection. Like you say, there are some trade-offs, and this is somewhat subjective to the eye. Those who want to be totally anal about it (not to say this is you) then watch the bluray. That will give the best quality and to say less is ridiculous. I can put 1000 movies into a TB at this rate which means a lot to me. One a 50" screen sitting on the couch no one has yet to complain about watching a movie at my house. Not a panel of experts but people used to watching hd video.
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    I must say, for a bit rate if 1150kbps and a resolution of 1280x532, it looks far better than I thought it would.
    However, saying that, the problem you discuss in your first post - does it go away if you raise the bitrate?

    I'm not saying you should rasie it; rather, I just don't think you're going to get any better with
    the resolution / bitrate you're using.
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    Originally Posted by gonwk View Post
    Originally Posted by edDV View Post
    ... I tend to encode higher bit rates to future proof playback quality. ...
    Hi edDV,

    So, you go with bit-rates nd not the file size! So, what bit rates do you usually go for!?!?

    Thanks!

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    All depends on the type of video.
    For 2nd tier 1080i/720p movies or TV series captured TS from cable, after cutting out commercials, I'd use inverse telecine (for 1080i) and constant quality between 18-21.

    That usually results in average bit rates between 4 to 8 Mb/s*

    This is a typical 22 min sitcom (using Handbrake).

    Complete name : V:\7-TV Series\2BrokeG\2 Broke - 111114.mkv
    Format : Matroska
    File size : 1.16 GiB
    Duration : 21mn 31s
    Overall bit rate : 7 747 Kbps
    Writing application : HandBrake 0.9.5
    Writing library : libmkv 0.6.4.1

    Video
    ID : 1
    Format : AVC
    Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
    Format profile : Main@L4.0
    Format settings, CABAC : Yes
    Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
    Format settings, GOP : M=1, N=42
    Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
    Duration : 21mn 31s
    Bit rate : 7 209 Kbps
    Width : 1 920 pixels
    Height : 1 080 pixels
    Display aspect ratio : 16:9
    Frame rate mode : Variable
    Frame rate : 29.970 fps
    Color space : YUV
    Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
    Bit depth : 8 bits
    Scan type : Progressive

    * When Constant Quality is used, average bit rate will vary by the quality of the source video. The higher the noise and/or the more motion, the higher the resulting bit rate.
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    Originally Posted by davexnet View Post
    I must say, for a bit rate if 1150kbps and a resolution of 1280x532, it looks far better than I thought it would.
    However, saying that, the problem you discuss in your first post - does it go away if you raise the bitrate?

    I'm not saying you should rasie it; rather, I just don't think you're going to get any better with
    the resolution / bitrate you're using.
    Thanks for checking out my clips. As you see, it's more than watchable even at 800MB. I could raise the bit rate, which will bump the file size up and get a somewhat better result but it's not really worth it. If it goes much over a gb or so, I have best luck by giving even a little more bit rate but also raise the resolution to 1080p. Yes, I am a crazy man, but 1080p can look really good as well even at low bit rates and I do this for movies which I really like. 2hr movie 1.5gb or so is what I shoot for.
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    Eye of beholder.

    Also highly affected by display method.
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    edDV - I agree. Some people are not satisfied with less than bluray with all the bells and whistles, and I have friends that swear that they can hear the difference between CD and mp3. Most people cannot, and for viewing everyday at a moments notice without flipping through hundreds of discs, this is my solution. I could have gone smaller but this is the point where most people are going to be satisfied with the experience.

    I'm including a clip of low bit rate 1080p if anyone is interested in how that can look. This film finished at 1.5GB. Let me know what your opinions are.
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  25. Chef Goldblum - I am quite impressed with the video quality you have posted here and think that it would be perfect for the type of application you have described, in consolidating a collection onto a hard drive.
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  26. All those videos are way overcompressed. What are you watching them on? A cell phone? They would need twice as much bitrate to even begin to be watchable on a big screen TV.
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    Very impressive Chef Goldblum.

    I have many videos to send to youtube and this quality is perfect for this.

    I wonder how can this quality.



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    Jagabo- Oh, snap! A cell phone! Wait, wait let me write this down... "Need 2x the bit rate to even begin to be watchable...." Do you even have a 50" TV to watch them on? Because, they look pretty damn good even at that size. Anyway, I didn't just plop in the bluray, and compress. I ran numerous tests with varying bit rates, changing resolution vs not, showing to people, etc. These might not be up to your discriminating tastes, and that's fine. This is not meant to exactly replicate viewing a bluray, but to compress HD to a point where the average viewer of HD content, under normal movie viewing circumstances, is satisfied.
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    Have you compared to the original Blu-Ray? The blockiness is more like upscaled DVD than downscaled Blu-Ray.

    As said above, each person has a subjective quality tradeoff vs. file size.

    By future-proof, I mean your next HDTVs will reveal far more flaws than you see on current technology. So, even for routine TV caps that I intend to keep, I'd invest more in bit rate using contant quality setting. As for Youtube, they are going to re-encode again so you should be giving them higher quality free of blocks.
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    Yes, I have compared to the bluray, and the rips are from bluray, not upscaled. The disc is my actual archival copy. Hopefully somewhat future proof! As far as any blockiness goes, it's only noticeable when you're right up on the screen. From a reasonable 5-6 ft viewing distance, on a large tv, it's not noticed.

    Anyway my original point here was that it is totally possible to make a great 720p rip of a bluray even at a file size around 800MB. Not one that's blurry, washed out and blocky, but actually watchable and enjoyable. We can debate the pro's and con's, but looking at my clips above I think it's been proven.
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