Perferct DVD Quality?!!?

[CellyCel347]

When using DVD2AVI and TMPGEnc to rip DVD's the quality does not come out so clear as the oringinal DVD. Is there a program that rips DVD to a perfect DVD quality?

[Innershield]

You can get DVD quality from Tmpg. It's all in how you set the settings.

[Greg12]

yeah u split the vob into it's componet MPEG streams and burn

[poopyhead]

CellyCel347, there is no way u can get DVD quality....the closest u can come to is "near-DVD quality"

this is because the original DVDs are encoded at a really, really, really high bitrate...if you would to encode your dvd rips at the same bitrate, your dvd rip would be just as big as the vobs

if you do still want DVD quality, i suggest u try makin' miniDVDs. they use the actual vobs files that u ripped. however, i dont' think u can't fit much on a CD-R, considering a movie is usually at least 4 gigs

[Bullworth]

Think about it this way: Expecting DVD quality from a VCD is like expecting FM quality on an AM station because the source is digital. Going from 5MB to 30MB on a DVD to 3000Kb max on a VCD just isn't going to give you those results. You can tweak the settings in TMPGEnc to get better result but if you want DVD quality you'd better be ready to shell out some major bucks for some hardware/software

[smokingweed3000]

if u want the same exact quality as your DVD was u r gonna have to put 9800 in the bit rate. and the file is gonna be huge.

[sean madison]

dvd encoding bitrates are, i believe 7000 kbits

I have said this once and everyone, please use the correct terminology here-

We have vhs and dvd.

Just because the quality is above vhs, does not automatically make it "DVD."

U can have so many different quality movies above vhs and below dvd.

To prove i'm not full of shit, rip a movie, then encode it.

Play your mpg for like a min then open the vob and watch it.

See how freakin much more crisp the vob is!

Your closest bet to gettin to dvd is strictly svcd, it uses the same compression stream and higher res closest to dvd.

[shardison]

OK, I haven't tried this, but can you de-mux the VOB streams and re-mux into a"standard" MPEG2 stream without re-encoding? Using what?

THAT would be perfect quality DVD.

[valzuniga]

I have used this method to start out with. It NEVER gave me the desired results, even when using the guide settings, and bitrate calculator. Now I use the dvd2svcd method, and it is the closest thing to dvd quality that I have gotten from my computer. The doom9 guide, walks you through step by step, and you end up with two or three(if it's a long movie), neat images to burn with nero.
I use the tmpgenc encoder with it, and set it to do 2-pass vbr. The svcd generated by this procedure didnt block out on me once during The Cell.

[herbapou]

I dont really agree with the previous post about bitrate...

Image quality depends on 2 things:

- The bitrate at a given resolution
- The resolution of the image.

THE BITRATE:

The goal is to have a bitrate high enough to not see any mpeg artifacts...

A DVD has a resolution of 720x480. To encode a movie AND not see any MPEG effects at that resolution require a higher bitrate than for example, a 480x480 SVCD.

On 32 inches or less 4:3 TV's, I can bet a normal person will not be able to see the diffenrence between the original DVD and a SVCD rip with DVD2SVCD using CCE 5 pass VBR, (min 300, avg 2000, max 2500).

With those settings, you wont see any mpeg artifacts because the bitrate is high enough for the SVCD 480x480 resolution and CCE was smart enough to apply the bitrates correctly.

THE RESOLUTION:

The lower resolution of the SVCD will show up on very large TV's or if you zoom the image with the DvD player. This is the other aspect of the quality. Even with no mpeg effects at all, it will be possible to detect the lost of details cause by the lower resolution. The image will appear less sharp, more blurr. Look at the skin of the faces, you will notice you see a bit less details.

The loss of resolution is not soo bad from DVD to SVCD but the lost of resolution will be very apparent on VCD`s, even if the bitare is very high.

A 5 pass VBR XVCD dont really need more than 1200 avg birate. Higher bitrares wont improve the image because the lost of details comes from the lost of resolution, not the mpeg artifacts...

[sean madison]

someone just emailed me last night saying that he used my new temps from dvd to svcd to put on 1 cd with a duration of 1 hr 43 min.

He watched it on his 50 or 52" tv and said that my temps out perform kwags bigtime and of course, i use standard format so that will always beat him too.

[CellyCel347]

So let me get this straight..

Increasing bitrate will make picture crisper
but files will be larger in size?

And making a VCD with miniDVD is better because it encodes from the VOB files?

[jasond]

dvd2svcd is the best for the dvd ripping

[Bud]

Sean

Would You PLEASE E-Mail your new templates. Use my profile e-mail.

[kwag]

@bud

Please take a look here, so that you know exactly what to expect


http://forum.vcdhelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=82500



Regards,
kwag

[Bud]

Kwag,

I know what to expect...just through on the outside chance he was acting normal and respond, maybe just maybe he waould post or at least e-mail out his Templates, he keep insisting that people e-mail him for the templates or his calculator or whatever he calls it and when someone sends the e-mail nothing happens just look below and you can see how many time I have ask over the past month:

(1) locooverrider@hotmail.com Fri 02/22 1k
max bitrate formula
(2) locooverrider@hotmail.com Sun 02/24 2k
Fwd: max bitrate formula
(3) locooverrider@hotmail.com Tue 02/26 2k
Fwd: max bitrate formula (Follow-Up)
(4) locooverrider@hotmail.com Fri 03/01 4k
Fwd: max bitrate formula (Follow-Up)
(5) locooverrider@hotmail.com Mon 03/18 1k
Calc/Templates (VCDHELP)
(6) locooverrider@hotmail.com Thu 03/21 1k


So you can see I won't wait to long.............i guess i'm trying to be the nice guy here....may not work but what the hell at least I tried....by the way I posted my latest test on the movie Exit Wounds......

Bud

[poopyhead]

So let me get this straight..

Increasing bitrate will make picture crisper
but files will be larger in size?

And making a VCD with miniDVD is better because it encodes from the VOB files?

1) increasing the bitrate beyond a certain point will not make a difference, but will increase the filesize.....if using CQ_VBR, increasing the CQ beyond 70 will not make any quality difference, but will make filesize bigger

2) couple of things to do to increase quality w/o increasing filesize: motion search accuracy to high quality (slow), 2 pass vbr, and higher resolution (even beyond standard 480x480 SVCD resolution)

3) miniDVD is not VCD...it's totally different....however, not very many standalone dvd players accept the format, so be warned...

[bilbogod]

someone just emailed me last night saying that he used my new temps from dvd to svcd to put on 1 cd with a duration of 1 hr 43 min.

He watched it on his 50 or 52" tv and said that my temps out perform kwags bigtime and of course, i use standard format so that will always beat him too.

Yeah righty !!! Prove it........ If you can make a clip thats 5MB for 1 min and looks better I'll eat my underpants

[herbapou]

The only way to fit a movie into one CD with mpeg-2 without having mpeg effects (bitrate around 700 kbps for 1h40 mins) is to lower the resolution. There is no magic settings.

If you lower the resolution, you will loose details and there is no way in hell the movie encode that way will look better than a movie at higher resolution.

The only way to fit a movie into one CD AND retain quality is to use a more advance encoding method than mpeg-2. With DivX for example you can encode movies at resolution around 640x360 with a bitrate has low has 750 kbps and dont have mpeg effects.

[kwag]

Hi herbapou:

I invite you to download some samples from the link below. 8)
You might be surprised!.

http://shidima.com/kwag

kwag

[vhelp]

CellyCel347,

I've ben contemplating this myself. But, of course I know better than that,
he, he....


But, nah, not really. "Basically", what's giving you the high qualiy is:
* very hight bitrate, and
* the 720x480 resolution w/ the high bitrate mentioned above

Take away or subtract from any (or combo) of the above and you pretty much
looze the so called, perfect DVD quality.

Sure, you can encode down-to SVCD and get that "near-DVD-quality", but that's
about it. Truely, it wont be so bad, going SVCD, provided you encode the movie
properly or shall I say, effectively.

In addition to above analygy, two things also reflect one's idea of DVD quality.
* viewing on PC monitor at various encoded res. ie, 352/480/704/720
* viewing on TV monitor at various encoded res. ie, 352/480/704/720
* bitrate level for each of the above resoluitons.
* And, last comes the "encoder" itself.

(in regards to above) Both methods, PC/TV

Personally, I don't believe those special settings that people come up with every
so often with getting +/-2 hours of close to dvd quality on one CD bit. I've
done a few, and in my honest and true opinion, you wont be satisfied. You'll
start to see blocks, or color artifacts, etc, and want to try something else
better (should you get no relief w/ your current template or process or method,
etc. )

The best method out there is your own. Well, in time it will be. You have to
keep practicing. Keep trying this and that. When you hear of a new template or
a new process or something, it doesn't hurt to look into it and give it a shot.
Should it not work for you, ...chaulk it up to experience and MOVE ON!

Well, I hope I've ben helpfull somewheres.
-vhelp
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In it's earliest stage, (1 year ago) this site was the greatest. Maybe 20k users
or less or something like that. It was fast, and responses were good. No
bad-mothing that I can remember either. Just people helping each other out, and
NOT competing against each other, AND taring one another (or ones method/
process) appart.
Today, people get a hold of ones template, tare it appart, and find anyting they
can to justify how bad it is, or how they can do better, or something
minipulative/ vindictive/ coniving or what-have-ya.
There's a lot of strife or yelling, bad-mouthing, name calling, etc.
And, I'm sure I can ad my name to this list. But, I've ben working on moving
away from this, and just trying to be nice and answer other post more politely.
But, sometimes..., well, you know. Some people can anoy you. Anyway, I will try
and ignore the negatives and improve on helping instead of insulting or giving a
harsh answer. Well, ...I have a tendancy to give my opinions too abrubtly - I've
done this several times this week.

Oh, almost forgot... did ya check the FAQ
it's has pretty much all the answeres you're looking for. All's that's required
is that you READ it. Today, people don't want to read it or anything else, other
than posting a quick HELP!!! and demanding quick responses.
As a TIP, if you dont' want to have to log on to read the faq, my suggestion to
you is to File/Save as *.htm the FAQ and then you can close down your dial-up and
view the FAQ at your leasure (probably minus the pics, but there's not that many
anyways)

[sean madison]

i will try to prove that this guy told me, i dont have his SN stored in my buddy list cuz i got a max of 150 people but everyone always IMs me a day so, you know

Also- Bud, so sorry, i get so many freakin emails, as a matter of fact, i just checked my email just now just since the last 16 hra ago, i had received 74 emails!

Thats a lot to go thru and see what i need to send, help out and so on.

Bud, i WILL get to you!

[sean madison]

oh hey bud, if ur email is not- that okan kurhan name, please URGENTLY email me today, i WILL get you what u need.

That was the only mar.21 email i got left