Recording HDTV & Satellite with PC?

[neworldman]

So is there anything that works with HDMI input and by passes the HDCP? Or is the Hauppauge 1212 HD-PVR High Definition Personal Video Recorder using component still the only way to go? What about using a HDMI to component adapter so I can run long HDMI cable to my pc? Or will the HDCP still get picked up? Thanks

[edDV]

You can run a long component cable to an HD PVR. How long do you need to go?

[jagabo]

An AverTV HD DVR has the ability to handle HDCP encrypted HDMI. But you need to use an old driver and a trick to get it to record that.

https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/335793-AverTV-HD-DVR-drivers?p=2085099&viewfull=1#post2085099

You need a pretty powerful computer to compress HD video in realtime.

[usually_quiet]

So is there anything that works with HDMI input and by passes the HDCP? Or is the Hauppauge 1212 HD-PVR High Definition Personal Video Recorder using component still the only way to go? What about using a HDMI to component adapter so I can run long HDMI cable to my pc? Or will the HDCP still get picked up? Thanks

There are HDMI to component adapters (the HDFury series is one example) but they are not sold in the US. Understandably, retailers don't want to be taken to court for selling them. Building a device that strips HDCP is a violation of the HDMI and HDCP licenses, so they would be selling an unlicensed product. It also probably violates the DMCA.

HDCP doesn't apply to analog connection, and the HD-PVR apparently ignores analog copy protection flags which may be present in the component video output of satellite receivers and cable boxes.

[jagabo]

There are HDMI to component adapters (the HDFury series is one example) but they are not sold in the US.

Actually, they are:
http://www.amazon.com/ViewHD-Component-Converter-Support-Surround/dp/B004F9XVBC/
http://www.amazon.com/SPDIF-Component-Ypbpr-Converter-v1-3b/dp/B002SFT3ZI/

I've been thinking try one of those. I'll also need an HDMI splitter:
http://www.amazon.com/ViewHD-Powered-Splitter-Certified-Outputs/dp/B002673EW6/

so I can continue to send HDMI to the TV.

[usually_quiet]

There are HDMI to component adapters (the HDFury series is one example) but they are not sold in the US.

Actually, they are:
http://www.amazon.com/ViewHD-Component-Converter-Support-Surround/dp/B004F9XVBC/
http://www.amazon.com/SPDIF-Component-Ypbpr-Converter-v1-3b/dp/B002SFT3ZI/

I've been thinking try one of those. I'll also need an HDMI splitter:
http://www.amazon.com/ViewHD-Powered-Splitter-Certified-Outputs/dp/B002673EW6/

so I can continue to send HDMI to the TV.

I have a feeling that if the same people who made Monoprice and CurtPalme stop selling the HDFury products find out about this, they will have to stop selling them in a hurry.

[jagabo]

Yeah. One shouldn't wait too long...

Actually, I think it's legal to sell an HDMI+HDCP to component+CGMS-A device. What's not legal is a HDMI+HDCP to HDMI (clear) device.

[usually_quiet]

Yeah. One shouldn't wait too long...

Actually, I think it's legal to sell an HDMI+HDCP to component+CGMS-A device. What's not legal is a HDMI+HDCP to HDMI (clear) device.

I'm not sure about that. I think HDMI to analog conversion is also prohibited by the technology licensing agreements.

[jagabo]

In the end, it doesn't matter whether it's legal or illegal. What matters is who has the deepest pockets and can afford a long protracted court battle. There's no doubt Intel is the winner here. (For those who don't know, HDCP is Intel's baby.)

[neworldman]

You can run a long component cable to an HD PVR. How long do you need to go?

About 25" to my i7 six core pc...

[neworldman]

An AverTV HD DVR has the ability to handle HDCP encrypted HDMI. But you need to use an old driver and a trick to get it to record that.

https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/335793-AverTV-HD-DVR-drivers?p=2085099&viewfull=1#post2085099

You need a pretty powerful computer to compress HD video in realtime.

Great thanks for the info.... I will order one of these so I don't have to buy a HDMI to component converter...

[usually_quiet]

An AverTV HD DVR has the ability to handle HDCP encrypted HDMI. But you need to use an old driver and a trick to get it to record that.

https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/335793-AverTV-HD-DVR-drivers?p=2085099&viewfull=1#post2085099

You need a pretty powerful computer to compress HD video in realtime.

Great thanks for the info.... I will order one of these so I don't have to buy a HDMI to component converter...

It isn't an issue for a lot of people, but just so you know, the AverTV HD DVR is limited to capturing stereo audio. If you must have 5.1 audio, then you should buy the Hauppauge HD-PVR or Hauppauge Colossus instead.

[neworldman]

An AverTV HD DVR has the ability to handle HDCP encrypted HDMI. But you need to use an old driver and a trick to get it to record that.

https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/335793-AverTV-HD-DVR-drivers?p=2085099&viewfull=1#post2085099

You need a pretty powerful computer to compress HD video in realtime.

Great thanks for the info.... I will order one of these so I don't have to buy a HDMI to component converter...

It isn't an issue for a lot of people, but just so you know, the AverTV HD DVR is limited to capturing stereo audio. If you must have 5.1 audio, then you should buy the Hauppauge HD-PVR or Hauppauge Colossus instead.

Ok thanks... I would like to have 5.1.... Will the Hauppauge Colossus work with HDCP & HDMI input without using a HMDI to component converter? Like a software update or something? Is there a bid difference in sound from stereo to 5.1? I will be playing these files on a HD media player or burning to Blu-Ray...

[usually_quiet]

Ok thanks... I would like to have 5.1.... Will the Hauppauge Colossus work with HDCP & HDMI input without using a HMDI to component converter? Like a software update or something? Is there a bid difference in sound from stereo to 5.1? I will be playing these files on a HD media player or burning to Blu-Ray...

The Hauppauge Colossus won't record HDCP protected HDMI, but will record from a component connection and provides a component video pass-through like the Hauppauge HD PVR. It is an internal card, which some people might prefer to a USB device. Choosing 5.1 audio vs stereo is a personal decision, but if you don't have or (plan to get) a home theater system or surround-sound speakers for the PC, 5.1 audio doesn't matter much.

[jagabo]

Is there a bid difference in sound from stereo to 5.1? I will be playing these files on a HD media player or burning to Blu-Ray...

There's a difference only if the source you're capturing is 5.1 and you have a 5.1 audio system to play it.