HD80E capture device problem

[gbsatti]

hi !

I recently bought a capture card called HD80E (HDMI port, supports up to 1080i) for Laptop PC, I can play the ps3 directly on my laptop. Fluidity is perfect while playing, but unfortunately I have a big problem of color. Here is a link that shows the problem in pictures:

http://imageshack.us/g/821/pnov27234045.png/

For the preview, i'm using Amarectv with settings :

W=1280 h=720 fps=59,94 fcc=YUY2 bit=16

But i tried many software, Dscaler, virtualdub, vh capture etc ... with the same issue

I tried on 3 laptops computer with same issue.
I tried on my PS3 and XBox360 with same issue ( i have screenshots of my settings )

http://imageshack.us/g/171/pnov28211607.png/
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/6945/pnov28213741.png
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/443/pnov28222430.png/

Has anyone ever had this problem with another capture device ? Do you think it's an hardware problem ?

ANy help is welcome

[Cauptain]

Hi gbsatti, Windows Xp or Vista or 7??

Have a Intel video onboard?? Try update video drivers??

On amarecTV you select EVR or OVERLAY??

For me its a hardware fault, my RGC was same problem. I change for a new unit. The problem are in Crystal crominance.


Claudio

[edDV]

Are these display screen captures or stills from saved streams?

The specs seem to say the card provides live display (via Directshow?) but also encodes MPeg2 @ 60 Mbps in hardware to disk.

60 Mbps will best record to a second SATA drive or external eSATA drive. Sustained 60 Mbps (7.5 MBps) may drop frames with an external USB2 drive.

[gbsatti]

Thank you for your answers,

i'm using windows XP, but i tried with 2 other laptops, one on XP and the other on Vista, both same issue.

For amarectv i tried both, EVR and overlay. Those displays screen are from live preview, not from saved streams ( i don't use recording function). I will try to record a video and post it to show you.

Thanks again for your help

[gbsatti]

Ok, i recorded a little video while playing MW3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIMqxsgEpTs

The colors should be better ?

[Cauptain]

Green all day?? Its normal??

[Brad]

Can you provide a screenshot of your "Graph 1 (Device)" options tab in AmaRecTV?

I see horrible banding, wrong chroma, and also blurring on your menu screenshots but I don't know the cause...

[gbsatti]

Yes, here is the screenshot :

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/43/amtv.png/

But i tried many many settings on amarectv and many other software.

Here is a second video showing my problem better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahb9_uOCVis&feature=youtu.be

I definitely think my HD80E is defective, dont you ?

[Brad]

Note that you actually have YVYU selected in that screenshot, not YUY2. That can cause swapped colours but shouldn't cause banding.

I think I'm going to have to agree that it's defective.

[Kelte]

Note, HD80E available http://www.kelte.fr/

[detroit1]

I also have an HD80E and I have tried to connect to set top box. It plays the video fine; all the channels look good but when I hit the record button; it records but there is some stuttering or lag when you record
I have a windows 7 64 laptop with 4GB memory. I have actually tried a couple softwares and both can play nicely but I am more concerned about thee recording
anyone have any solution to this?

[Cauptain]

I also have an HD80E and I have tried to connect to set top box. It plays the video fine; all the channels look good but when I hit the record button; it records but there is some stuttering or lag when you record
I have a windows 7 64 laptop with 4GB memory. I have actually tried a couple softwares and both can play nicely but I am more concerned about thee recording
anyone have any solution to this?

Set you energy config to HIGH PERFORMANCE, disable WINDOWS RESTORE, change your Desktop to BASIC THEME, set memory virtual to 4096 in both options, try VH CAPTURE in MPEG2 mode.

Try and reply.


Claudio

[detroit1]

I made the changes to the laptop but it still stutters when you press record. I noticed using a bitrate of 12 is a little better than the 16 I was using. not sure if anyone here is familiar with the honestech DVR 2.5, that software is recording in only 4:3; not 16:9
I have another software that is recording 16:9 but I still need to fix the stuttering. I will be doing more recording than watching
for watching purposes there is no stutter or lag

[Cauptain]

I made the changes to the laptop but it still stutters when you press record. I noticed using a bitrate of 12 is a little better than the 16 I was using. not sure if anyone here is familiar with the honestech DVR 2.5, that software is recording in only 4:3; not 16:9
I have another software that is recording 16:9 but I still need to fix the stuttering. I will be doing more recording than watching
for watching purposes there is no stutter or lag

HT DVR 2.5 is a "new version' from HT TVR2.5, but its record in HD.

Make a test. Conect a empty PENDRIVE and record to this in 9800btr.





Claudio

[detroit1]

Is the Recording 1080 problem due to the graphics card ATI4200 not having its own memory of 1-2G? or is it the processor that will make more difference?

Here are my laptop specs. Please do let me know what I can do to get rid of the recording problems

HP Pavilion dv7-3165dx 17.3" Notebook PC - AMD Turion II Ultra Dual-Core M620 2.5GHz / 4GB DDR2 / 500GB HD / ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4200 Graphics /

[edDV]

Is the Recording 1080 problem due to the graphics card ATI4200 not having its own memory of 1-2G? or is it the processor that will make more difference?

The device http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/440812334/HD80E_HDMI_Express_Video_Capture_Card.html dumps video data to the PCI bus. Your display chipset is either fast enough or it isn't for live display.

Capture is limited by the disk system. A single laptop drive cannot maintain the 60 Mb/s (~8 MB/s) MPEG2 data rate claimed in the product spec. An external USB2 drive is also likely to stumble as a sustained capture drive. The solution is an external eSATA drive provided your laptop has an eSATA port. SATA uses a hardware disc controller which can capture in isolation from the OS activity. An sSATA drive can maintain >25 MB/s (200 Mb/s) in the real world. Also consider that 60 Mb/s consumes about 30GB of disk space per hour.

[detroit1]

I tried recording onto an external hard drive using eSata. there is still Lag there on 1080
I have 2 softwares. The Honestech DVR 2.5 will only record in 4:3; which is terrible since all the channels are in 16:9
The Umedia software can record in 16:9 and there are 2 choices of output, Transport Stream and Program Stream
the Program Stream is better; less lag than the TS but it is still there
I hope someone can suggest a solution to this. I really want to get this working
as for watching live tv; that is fine

[edDV]

Is the CPU pegged during capture?

The Task Manager resource monitors in Vista-Win7 are useful for spotting blocks.

[detroit1]

tell me the instructions and what to look for and I will try that. It is starting to look more and more like I need a quad core processor for this

[edDV]

tell me the instructions and what to look for and I will try that. It is starting to look more and more like I need a quad core processor for this

Go to Task Manager Performance tab and watch CPU and Memory loads during capture.

In Resource monitor you can monitor CPU, memory, disk drives and network.



My capture methods all use hardware encoding so CPU load is nill.

[detroit1]

yes my CPU usage gets in the 90's when I open Umedia Software and see the live video coming in; so that software is using up too much CPU. The Honestech Software uses up 55% but it only records in 4:3 so that is no good
I can't get Amarectv to work; can't see any picture
So I assume my processor is not powerful enough?
it is AMD Turion II Ultra Dual-Core M620 2.5GHz

[detroit1]

on Amarectv, where are the video bitrates? I see when you click settings the maximum is only 6K and even if I select it, it still only records at a bit rate of bet 1-2K, that is too low to get good quality
Can anyone let me know what to do to set bitrates of 10-15K using amarectv? I noticed if you record sports with lots of motion, all of the softwares cause the CPU usage to go up into the 90's
hope I can find out how to set Amarectv bitrates between 10-15K

[detroit1]

Is the HD80E a USB Based device? I may need to get a quad core laptop but all the new laptops don't have Express Card Slot; just USB 3.0
you can buy an ExpressCard to USB adapter for $20 but I was told it will only work if the express device is USB based
Does anyone know if the adapter will work and if the HD80E is USB Based?

[detroit1]

has anyone on the forum tried to use this adapter with the HD80E on a newer laptop with no express slot?

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=expresscard+to+usb&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:e...ed=0CEMQ8wIwAQ

[detroit1]

I just got a new laptop ( HP Elitebook) with i7 quad core processor and 8G memory and it is a little better than the dual core AMD on my other laptop and the CPU percentage only shows 15-20 compared to 95% on the AMD. Still using the HD80e
The recordings are a little better BUT there is still some lag on the 1080 recordings with motion; especially football
this new laptop has a nicer processor but it still does not eliminate the problem. I am wondering if anyone else has a solution to this;

[edDV]

I just got a new laptop ( HP Elitebook) with i7 quad core processor and 8G memory and it is a little better than the dual core AMD on my other laptop and the CPU percentage only shows 15-20 compared to 95% on the AMD. Still using the HD80e
The recordings are a little better BUT there is still some lag on the 1080 recordings with motion; especially football
this new laptop has a nicer processor but it still does not eliminate the problem. I am wondering if anyone else has a solution to this;

Explain again what you perceive as the problem. This card claims to hardware encode HD analog input to MPeg2 at high bit rate ~60 Mbps. To view what is being encoded, your CPU+GPU must display the raw stream or decode the HD MPeg2 on the fly. Low computers will struggle with disk capturing at sustained 60 mbps and with simultaneous display. An i7 will have no problem decoding MPeg2.

[detroit1]

I have a few softwares that can record umedia, AVS Video Recorder and Honestech. I use the first 2 since they can record in 16:9
I can make the recordings but when I play them full screen and watch carefully I can see the stutter; especially on football
If I record a live news talk show, that records fine but there no motion in those shows; the only thing moving is commentators lips
football is totally different; nonstop motion; the i7 is better than what I was using before but it is not recording in exact quality; the stuttering is irritating; it is not as smooth as it should be; especially if I compare it to the original. I don't want to use too low a bitrate; using 12-15 is good for 1080 recording. Sports is something I am going to record a lot; there will be tons of motion there
the motion is the problem. I wonder if other people who have used this have carefully watched the recordings; it is not hard to see the stuttering. to have i7 with 8g memory; that should have been good enough

[edDV]

Explain the stuttering. The device is supposed to hardware encode to MPeg2 1080i @60 Mbps. It could be a field reversal (top field first is normal) or dropped frames if the disk can't keep up.

Normally with such a device, one would record the 1080i Mpeg2, then later compress non- realtime to the desired format. Real time software encoding 1080i to 12-15 Mbps will overwhelm most computers.

[detroit1]

Yes I am recording in MPEG2, the Umedia software uses that. The AVS Video Recorder also has MPEG and it can do AVI
I can try lowering the bitrate but I know I don't want to lose video quality.
I will have to experiment but I thought getting the newer computer with i7 would have solved the problem but that is not the case
I am going to record more football and then watch carefully to see if it stutters; it's like you can be watching and it looks normal and then suddenly a frame or two goes too fast so it is not completely smooth; this will happen on sports; not so much on recording a talk show, etc
I need to figure out quick because it I can't solve this, I would need to return the new laptop;

[edDV]

I don't have an HD80E so can't help further.