Vegas movie studio 10 "out of memory errors"

[magillagorilla]

Hey all,
I'm trying to edit some HD footage captured from my Nikon at 1080x1920 24fps. The files are h.264 in a MOV container. I seem to be able to get all the clips loaded and edited teh way I want. I can even playback the project in the preview window.

When I try to "render as" Vegas does not respond to me clicking on the menu item. The "Make Movie" option seems to work. I choose a codec and preset from "Make Movie" and about 40% through the render I get an out of memory error.

I believe I am out of memory because I only have 4GB RAM. My machine is not up to spec for editing 1080 video.

So.... to get around the problem I dounsampled the clips one at a time to 1280x720 24p h.264 MP4 at 14Mbps. This worked very well and cut down on RAM. Vegas ran a lot faster, however, 14Mbps MP4 hakes a horrible intermediate file.

So if anyone can suggest a workaround I would appreciate it. I'm pretty sure I need to convert the MOV files to a downsampled intermediate file. Is there an easy way to just reincode outside of Vegas? Preferrably MOV to a new container as Vegas does not work well with MOV files.

Id like the final project to be 720p and look decent, perfect is not the goal. My current test method left the final render very blocky and full of some interesting macroblocking errors.

[aedipuss]

did you check at sony's site for any update to studio you don't have? it shouldn't crash with out of memory error, as it should just use the hard drive swap file. it does get slow but it should work.

also could you use mediainfo in text mode on one of your mov files and paste the results here please. you may be able to get it out of the mov wrapper into plain mp4 that studio may like better.

[magillagorilla]

I downloaded the latest Vegas Platnium 10 update. When I tried to run it I got a message saying that Vegas is already installed and had to be uninstalled to continue. That's weird, patches don't do that, so it must be a complete installer. I'm pretty the version is newer. But I didn't have my serial number in my hand at the time and aborted the install. I'll have to dig through my software stack for the serial.

I also kept the resource monitor up during one of the "out of memory" attempts and didn't notice any spikes above 80% RAM. Maybe I need to increase my swap file size.

I'll post media info this evening. It would be really nice if I could keep the source quality close to the original. Then my final render to 720 would look really good.

[magillagorilla]

General
Complete name : E:\HOME VIDEO\Digital VIDEO\2011\20111000\DAF_1470.MOV
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : QuickTime
Codec ID : qt
File size : 48.5 MiB
Duration : 20s 270ms
Overall bit rate : 20.1 Mbps
Encoded date : UTC 2011-10-22 22:15:09
Tagged date : UTC 2011-10-22 22:15:09
NCDT : NCTG
Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.0
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames
Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=10
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 20s 270ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 18.5 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.371
Stream size : 44.6 MiB (92%)
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2011-10-22 22:15:09
Tagged date : UTC 2011-10-22 22:15:09
Transfer characteristics : BT.470-6 System M, NTSC, FTC 73.682, BT.1700 625 PAL, BT.1700 625 SECAM
Matrix coefficients : BT.470-6 System B, BT.470-6 System G, BT.601-6 625, BT.1358 625, BT.1700 625 PAL, BT.1700 625 SECAM, IEC 61966-2-4 601
Audio
ID : 2
Format : PCM
Format settings, Endianness : Little
Format settings, Sign : Signed
Codec ID : sowt
Duration : 20s 270ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 1 536 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Stream size : 3.71 MiB (8%)
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2011-10-22 22:15:09
Tagged date : UTC 2011-10-22 22:15:09

[budwzr]

Why don't you just use AVIDemux?

[aedipuss]

try budz suggestion. load into avidemux, set video and audio to copy, and format to mp4. save the re-wrapped mp4. try it in studio.

[poisondeathray]

When I try to "render as" Vegas does not respond to me clicking on the menu item

Something is messed up . Maybe corrupt install. When you get your serial figured out, re-install it with the new update

[budwzr]

When Vegas has a heavy load, it will appear to freeze. You just have to be patient and wait. It WILL come back to you.

[magillagorilla]

It's not freezing. It's throwing an out of memory error. I press OK and everything works.

[poisondeathray]

It's not freezing. It's throwing an out of memory error. I press OK and everything works.

what? so the error doesn't impact the export ?

[budwzr]

Your swap file is fragged or corrupted. Or else preview ram is set too high.

Did you buy your copy of Vegas at the Sony site? If so you're serial will be there in your account.

[magillagorilla]

I found it. I uninstalled\reinstalled from the disc because the build was the same as the download, 179. Still acting goofy. One of my clips is all black but the audio is there. That happens a lot with MOV. I swear its the container. I have 180GB paige space, that should be enough for 6 minutes of 1080 24p HD.

Maybe the preview settings need to be adjusted, I'll have to find those.

[aedipuss]

i don't claim to have used every version of vegas, but i do still have v6.0 around somewhere, and i've never even heard anyone else say they are having the same problem as you. i'd uninstall studio, delete all sony folders and re-install fresh when you find your serial number.
if that doesn't fix it, it's your computer that's messed up or the codecs on it. use a direct boot ram testing program first and keep checking everything else down the line.

[magillagorilla]

It's totally the MOV container. I just remuxed it all to MP4 and I am having no problems. I wonder if my Apple Quicktime codecs are bad.

[budwzr]

I have Canon .mov files and they're OK in Pro10e.

[magillagorilla]

Well, I have vegas Movie Studio 10 and it takes a $H!T on MOV files. When I transferred my junk to MP4 it's not skipping a beat. Weird huh? I'd like to resolve it because I have a trove of MOV files.

[budwzr]

I think you may have a bad version of Quicktime. Do you have QT Pro? Paid? Or free alternative?

Maybe if you uninstall QT, Vegas will choose another H.264 codec. But write down your serial if it's a paid version.

I have QT Pro paid version, maybe that's the difference. I know Apple tried to knock out the bootleggers at one time, that's why I just paid the $29. Got tired of fighting with it.

I'm pretty sure MS10 is the same as Pro10 except for some features. It should be able to handle .mov no problem. Although .mov is a free container, it does call up QT, I think that's why Canon uses it, so the Applers don't panic over an extension they're not familiar with, and they will think Canon is "compatible" with them, hahaha.

For PC people it doesn't really matter, it's all good.

[magillagorilla]

"and they will think Canon is "compatible" with them, hahaha"

HA! I think you hit the nail on the head there. My Nikon uses MOV for the same reason.

I know for a fact that my Vegas won't read MOV files without QT installed. I had to install it, the application demanded it the first time I tried to open a MOV file. But I'm thinking the same thing, my QT codecs are funky. Seriously, MOV and MP4 both contain H.264, it makes no sense that one wrapper works and the other doesn't. I also don't see how the $30 QT codecs are going to differ from the free QT codecs. Maybe I'll try to reinstall QT.

[budwzr]

But the .MP4 uses the Sony H.264 codec.

Most people don't know that .mov officially is supposed to hold Apple codecs. These are proprietary and Vegas cannot produce a strict Apple .mov, you need QT.

[aedipuss]

magi can you upload a small sample mov you can't open to a filesharing site so we can check it?