How to rip Bluray encoded in VC-1 and DTS HD

[Victor D]

Hi,
after lots of working around to find a way, here is what I found works best for ripping a Bluray with VC-1 encoded video and DTS HD soundtrack. The main point here is to get the BEST video and AUDIO encode for less space on your hard drive.

1- I used MakeMKV to extract the movie, I kept the english DTS HD lanquage as I will rip it separately after.

2- Using MediaCoder ( http://www.mediacoderhq.com/download.htm ) I will use it to rip my VC-1 into H.264
For very good result and smaller size here is what I use for my settings of x.264



To make sure that the file remain playable make no change to the original framerate and keep Profile, Level. Preset and
Tune unchanged.

In this part the sound is NOT enabled.

Then choose where to save file and start the process. Generally a 2 hour movie will be around 5GB. That is good if you think that it used
to be around 22GB and yet you still have close to the same image quality!

3- Now the audio track. To keep the HDSound in a smaller format I strongly recommend FLAC. It's free in every way and it keep 100% of
the quality while saving space.

For exemple; I took a 3.48GB DTS HD audio file and get a 1.02 GB .mka (with FLAC inside) file! When the main purpose is to save space
there is no way I will keep an audio DTS HD file thats gonna be almost as big as my video rip.

To do such a thing, super easy with MediaCoder again. First disable the video of the file you want to create and enable the audio. Then
select the track you want to rip (generally ID 0 for english language)



*COMPRESSION: from what i understood the default (5) or the best (8) is almost the same in the resulting file (+- 10%)
the difference is the time to rip that changes most, a 8 (best) its around 15-10x, 5 (default) its around 40-55x ...so huge difference in
time it takes to do it.

Make sure you keep the 5.1 (in sound tab)


Don't mind what it says about the bitrate and estimated size.

If you want, with MediaCoder, you can rip the audio track in almost ANY format you want. You can keep the 5.1 in FLAC, AAC, AC3,...
I'm french so i often rip as second track the french language in AC3. You can use it to make a stereo version of the first track too, it's
easier to remux the movie for other device after.

4-Finalizing the movie and keep what you want from the original file

So now we have separately the video file, the audio track(s) AND the original file

To do the muxing of ANY file I recommend MKVToolnix ( http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/downloads.html )
Again its free and super easy and friendly to use. You can remux in MP4 after for listening on other players.

We start by drag and drop the video file, then the audio track(s)
at this point if you start the process you will have a file with your main video and your tracks.



If you want to keep, like me, subtitles (wich from Bluray you can't keep in programs like famous Handbrake) and chapters makers, we
simply add the the original movie MKV after the 2 first one that we have ripped.



*Make sure that you choose in your track setting the default audio track you prefer (you can edit the flag to put more relevant info about
the tracks) AND that the 1st subtitle track is NOT default, if it is the resulting movie will put the subtitle track on every time you watch it.


5.Finished
You have now a fresh amazing rip of the movie you had. It plays perfect in VLC on a computer (Windows, Linux and Mac) And I can watch
it on my Patriot Home Box Office with HDMI LPCM Multi Channel output with HD sound.
http://patriotmemory.com/products/detailp.jsp?prodline=6&catid=69&prodgroupid=159&id=895&type=20



I have 2 of them and its simply AMAZING what this little costless thing can read!



I hope that this will be helpful

[deadrats]

i do have a question about the procedure you employed: what exactly are you smoking?

why would you take a 22gb blu-ray and re-encode it down to 5gb and how can you make the ludicrous claim that the version done with 2 pass x264 at 5mbs for 1080 will "have close to the same image quality!"? i guess the authoring studio is populated by morons when they authored the blu-ray with VC-1 at whatever bit rate they used (probably around 25mbs).

you do realize that you can buy a bd-rom for under $50 that comes with software that will allow you to watch the blu-ray directly? i have to assume you do because you are able to rip the blu-ray, so why the need to store the movie on your hdd?

then you use that silly device to watch the piss poor re-encode you did from your pc on your tv. really? why not just watch the blu-ray right on a stand alone blu-ray player that you can buy for under $100?

the only way what you're doing makes any sense is if you're renting the blu-rays from a netflix type service for $1.50 and then "pirating" the content, but if that is what you're doing a better approach is to buy a bd-burner for $100, pick up some bd media and make a true copy of the blu-ray.

what you're doing is just lame.

[smitbret]

i do have a question about the procedure you employed: what exactly are you smoking?

why would you take a 22gb blu-ray and re-encode it down to 5gb and how can you make the ludicrous claim that the version done with 2 pass x264 at 5mbs for 1080 will "have close to the same image quality!"? i guess the authoring studio is populated by morons when they authored the blu-ray with VC-1 at whatever bit rate they used (probably around 25mbs).

you do realize that you can buy a bd-rom for under $50 that comes with software that will allow you to watch the blu-ray directly? i have to assume you do because you are able to rip the blu-ray, so why the need to store the movie on your hdd?

then you use that silly device to watch the piss poor re-encode you did from your pc on your tv. really? why not just watch the blu-ray right on a stand alone blu-ray player that you can buy for under $100?

the only way what you're doing makes any sense is if you're renting the blu-rays from a netflix type service for $1.50 and then "pirating" the content, but if that is what you're doing a better approach is to buy a bd-burner for $100, pick up some bd media and make a true copy of the blu-ray.

what you're doing is just lame.

Why don't you just rip his head off and defecate right down the empty shaft where his throat used to be?

Maybe he enjoys the convenience of having a video file on his media server that he can play back on any location in his home without having to pack around a disc. Maybe he doesn't like to leave the discs within easy reach of his five year old that likes to play fetch with the dog. Maybe he works away from home and wants a lower bandwidth version that he could stream across the internet to his mobile device and watch while he's working on the road. Maybe he just thinks it's kind of cool.

Personally, I just like to sit in bed at night without pants and scroll through my list and see what looks good without having to get up and get dressed so that I can go grab the BR or DVD cuz some idiot thinks that if you own the disc it should be the only way to playback the media on it. Who knows? You sure as hell don't. Maybe you work for Sony. If you don't, I'm sure they would completely appreciate your imperialist attitude and find a spot in their crooked, copyright protection division.

For some people, a 4 or 5GB conversion does look just as good as a 25GB rip, especially if they're not living in their Mom's tiny basement so they can't afford to buy a 70" television that they watch from five feet away in their La-Z-Boy with their $300 Sennheiser headphones cuz their Dad keeps pounding on the floor when they turn the volume up too loud at 2 AM. Maybe if you got a real job and had to get out of bed before Noon, you could afford to buy a house, a car AND all of the home theater equipment with the accompanying 1,000 title library of discs. Oh well, your three cats would miss you while you were away for 40 hours a week.

Personally, I like to save about 30% when I convert from VC-1 to AVC. Why? Because (to answer your asinine question) the authoring studio that is entirely populated by morons chose VC-1 instead of a more efficient and nearly universally compatible AVC stream.

Why can't you just appreciate someone creating a helpful and informative thread and keep your communist opinions to yourself?

Thanks for the well thought out and explained guide, Victor D.

[Victor D]

I do this to keep all my movies in a database in my NAS.

I did many rips of all kind and that's what I found works good for me.
I was then having a hard time to rip the vc-1 with programs such as handbrake and others but it didn't work.
After trying lots of avenue if found this one and thought (wrongly I guess with your reply) that it would be helpful for someone.

FYI I buy what I rip and I'm sure I'm not the only one to do that.

[smitbret]

I do this to keep all my movies in a database in my NAS.

I did many rips of all kind and that's what I found works good for me.
I was then having a hard time to rip the vc-1 with programs such as handbrake and others but it didn't work.
After trying lots of avenue if found this one and thought (wrongly I guess with your reply) that it would be helpful for someone.

FYI I buy what I rip and I'm sure I'm not the only one to do that.

Don't let that guy get you down. There's a handful in every crowd. I guarantee someone will appreciate it.

[Victor D]

I do this to keep all my movies in a database in my NAS.

I did many rips of all kind and that's what I found works good for me.
I was then having a hard time to rip the vc-1 with programs such as handbrake and others but it didn't work.
After trying lots of avenue if found this one and thought (wrongly I guess with your reply) that it would be helpful for someone.

FYI I buy what I rip and I'm sure I'm not the only one to do that.

Don't let that guy get you down. There's a handful in every crowd. I guarantee someone will appreciate it.

Thank you very much!
It's nice of you

[smitbret]

Just a thought, have you tried using TsMuxer to remux the whole thing without any further compression? The audio track has an option to "Downconvert HD Audio" and would effectively create an .m2ts file with VC-1/DTS tracks that you should be able to just run straight through Mediacoder or Ripbot264.

[deadrats]

Maybe he enjoys the convenience of having a video file on his media server that he can play back on any location in his home without having to pack around a disc.

i didn't realize you could pop a nut by lifting that big heavy blu-ray disk and carrying it from one room to another. i also didn't consider the time savings of scrolling through a media server, looking for a movie, starting the movie and then running to the tv it's being outputted to versus simply popping in the blu-ray and hitting start.

i guess i need to rethink my position

Maybe he doesn't like to leave the discs within easy reach of his five year old that likes to play fetch with the dog. Maybe he works away from home and wants a lower bandwidth version that he could stream across the internet to his mobile device and watch while he's working on the road. Maybe he just thinks it's kind of cool.

and maybe he's kind of retarded; that would explain why he would leave a blu-ray disk laying around where a 5 year old will use it to play fetch with the dog.

or maybe he's truly retarded if instead of making a copy of the bd using bd media he would actually consider streaming a 5gb version to a mobile device, have you ever tried to stream a 5gb file using a home computer?

seriously, it's idiotic beyond belief to do what he's doing and dumber still to support him.

Personally, I just like to sit in bed at night without pants and scroll through my list and see what looks good without having to get up and get dressed so that I can go grab the BR or DVD cuz some idiot thinks that if you own the disc it should be the only way to playback the media on it. Who knows? You sure as hell don't. Maybe you work for Sony. If you don't, I'm sure they would completely appreciate your imperialist attitude and find a spot in their crooked, copyright protection division.

i didn't realize that wearing pants was a prerequisite for grabbing a blu-ray disk, nor did i realize that taking a high quality 25+mb/s blu-ray and re-encoding it to 5gb was a better way to view a movie than keeping it in it's original professionally authored condition.

you need to lay off the crack also.

For some people, a 4 or 5GB conversion does look just as good as a 25GB rip

there's an industry insider term for those people: "legally blind".

especially if they're not living in their Mom's tiny basement so they can't afford to buy a 70" television that they watch from five feet away in their La-Z-Boy with their $300 Sennheiser headphones cuz their Dad keeps pounding on the floor when they turn the volume up too loud at 2 AM. Maybe if you got a real job and had to get out of bed before Noon, you could afford to buy a house, a car AND all of the home theater equipment with the accompanying 1,000 title library of discs. Oh well, your three cats would miss you while you were away for 40 hours a week.

you don't see the idiocy in the above attempt at an insult, do you? i'll explain so that even you can understand: if i did have a 70" tv and $300 head phones and a La-Z-Boy and 1000 blu-rays, then i would have a job capable of also paying for a house and a car.

homosayswhat?

Personally, I like to save about 30% when I convert from VC-1 to AVC. Why? Because (to answer your asinine question) the authoring studio that is entirely populated by morons chose VC-1 instead of a more efficient and nearly universally compatible AVC stream.

of course you know better than the pros that actually author the blu-rays, after all they went to film school and earn big bucks while you suck dick for a living; naturally i'm going to lend more credence to your opinion than those that actually make a living doing it.

Why can't you just appreciate someone creating a helpful and informative thread and keep your communist opinions to yourself?

and why don't you blow me?

[Victor D]

Just a thought, have you tried using TsMuxer to remux the whole thing without any further compression? The audio track has an option to "Downconvert HD Audio" and would effectively create an .m2ts file with VC-1/DTS tracks that you should be able to just run straight through Mediacoder or Ripbot264.

thanks for the advice, I will try that as well.

[deadrats]

I do this to keep all my movies in a database in my NAS.

this is what i don't get, why do you feel the need to keep all your movies on a NAS? and in inferior quality to the original to boot?

it's a waste of time.

[Victor D]

I do this to keep all my movies in a database in my NAS.

this is what i don't get, why do you feel the need to keep all your movies on a NAS? and in inferior quality to the original to boot?

it's a waste of time.

Well that's your point of view.. not mine
and why is this a situation that makes you feel like you can judge others, you think you know better than everyone? I have TONS of Blurays and DVD's, too much actually so i decided to put everything in one place so I can listen to music, movies and TV shows in either my living room or my bedroom, as I wish. If I go somewhere i can watch what i want with my little machine full HD.

True sometimes it can look cheap, but I can tell you that I've watch all the movies I did with the original file and the rip version barely shows any difference. I showed them to many people and so far EVERYONE as been amazed of the quality vs. filesize.
So far no complaints.


It's my right to rip the movie I buy, so I do what I want. I'm ok with the time it takes cause when the computer rips, it does it by itself! So I guess that's not that much of a waste of time for me.

You have a really aggressive attitude, I would never have said anything like you said about you preferring to keep your Discs, cause I respect others points of view. If not I try explain myself while remaining kind and not judgmental.

Next time, try and think before you write something harsh to any one.
I was simply sharing my different solution. Might not work for you, but you never know, might work for someone else.

[deadrats]

dude, it's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist and it's not just you, forums all over the net are littered with people doing the exact same thing you're doing.

i used to be one of you, spending hours figuring out the best way to "back up" a dvd with the minimum quality loss, "archiving" them all to a hard drive, buying more and more hdd's as i ran out of space, spending money upgrading my computer so the encode would go faster and faster and save time and one day as i was sitting there setting up my computer for another long encode that would pretty much tie up all my cpu's resources, something occurred to me: what the hell am i doing?

just keep the damn dvd as it is and buy a cheap burner and some cheap media and make a true back up that would take a fraction of the time, doesn't require me to keep upgrading my pc and doesn't tie up my pc for hours at a time.

it's kind of like when nasa when they spent 10 million dollars developing a pen that writes underwater, in zero g's, upside down, basically in any condition and the russians used a pencil. today we have no space program to speak of and the russians are still in the space race.

perhaps a bit of practical thought would do you good.

[dragonkeeper]

I do this to keep all my movies in a database in my NAS.

this is what i don't get, why do you feel the need to keep all your movies on a NAS? and in inferior quality to the original to boot?

it's a waste of time.

I find myself disagreeing with you. My corrent movie collection is over 1500 movies I have a blu-ray player and HTPC in virtually every room of the house. My movie collection is my theater room, with a movie collection that large it not very convenient at all find a particular movie you're interested in, esp since no one bothers to return movies to the shelf so you have to go searching in one of 4 bedrooms, living-room or one of 3 bathrooms (usually only happens with newer releases) and if by chance they do return the movie to the shelf they never put it back in its proper place making it even harder to find.

Installing HTPCsi was the best thing i could have done according to my family, movies are just a click away. We no longer have to wait for some to finish watching a movie so the next person can watch it. With in 2 hours of picking up a new release its available on the network. The move to HTPC was a win-win for everyone, and unless i'm watching movies on my HD projector i can't discern the quality drop from encoding to a smaller file size. Also i no longer have to take a crap load of movies with me on two week business trips, i just load up my external HD and take it with me.

It's pretty sad when a member tries to contribute to the community and gets hosed for it. Just because you don't see a use for it doesn't mean jack, I'm sure someone will. I don't see a need for mouthy ********, but evidently someone does god knows there are plenty of them everywhere you look.

[dragonkeeper]

dude, it's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist and it's not just you, forums all over the net are littered with people doing the exact same thing you're doing.

Your logic is flawed if people all over the net are trying to figure it out, then it's a problem at least to them. If it's not a problem for you then congratulations. Move on and stop screwing with people who are trying to help others

just keep the damn dvd as it is and buy a cheap burner and some cheap media and make a true back up that would take a fraction of the time, doesn't require me to keep upgrading my pc and doesn't tie up my pc for hours at a time.

Works good if you have a small collection, this started be a problem for me when i got above 600 movies. Now that at at over 1500 movies it would be next to impossible to keep track of it all, digital back-up solved my non-existent problem as it has for countless others.

it's kind of like when nasa when they spent 10 million dollars developing a pen that writes underwater, in zero g's, upside down, basically in any condition and the russians used a pencil.

Don't know about you but if i 'm writing something down that i need to keep or that is very important to retain for later, i use a pen a pencil just won't cut it (not smudge proof). But 10 Mill was a bit excessive.

perhaps a bit of practical thought would do you good.

This made me laugh kinda like the pot calling the kettle black.

I'm not trying to offend you deadrats, but have you ever heard the saying to each his own. Your opinion is just that your opinion you don't have to brow beat the OP to get your point across only people with small minds and smaller vocabularies resort to such tactics. I don't think you fall into either category. What works for you does not work for everyone else, if we were all the same this world would indeed be a boring place.

[smitbret]

dude, it's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist and it's not just you, forums all over the net are littered with people doing the exact same thing you're doing.

i used to be one of you, spending hours figuring out the best way to "back up" a dvd with the minimum quality loss, "archiving" them all to a hard drive, buying more and more hdd's as i ran out of space, spending money upgrading my computer so the encode would go faster and faster and save time and one day as i was sitting there setting up my computer for another long encode that would pretty much tie up all my cpu's resources, something occurred to me: what the hell am i doing?

just keep the damn dvd as it is and buy a cheap burner and some cheap media and make a true back up that would take a fraction of the time, doesn't require me to keep upgrading my pc and doesn't tie up my pc for hours at a time.

it's kind of like when nasa when they spent 10 million dollars developing a pen that writes underwater, in zero g's, upside down, basically in any condition and the russians used a pencil. today we have no space program to speak of and the russians are still in the space race.

perhaps a bit of practical thought would do you good.

Just because you don't know how to execute the project properly doesn't mean the rest of us can't.

[fritzi93]

Okay, deadrats got everybody riled up, but he has a few points:

1) The OP's method is over-complicated.

To elaborate: You can accomplish much the same thing by using BDRB, re-encoding the audio to (essentially transparent) AC3 640 kbps or to AC3 448 kbps, even 192 kbps stereo if you insist.

2) Yeah, a backup to BD25 will be better. Take movie-only and convert the audio to 640 kbps, and most times the video will be untouched.

As an aside, I dunno why people insist HD audio is superior, most setups aren't good enough to justify it, and for damn sure most people's ears aren't. DTS is another story: Listen to the opening theme on one of the new Star Wars Blu-Rays. Whatever jiggery-pokery they do to make the audio "sound better" (i.e. not transparent), it fails badly in that case. It doesn't sound better, the brasses blare and bray.

3) When re-encoding to BD5 size, it's a stretch to say the results are gonna be "good", watchable maybe if the display isn't too big.

On the other hand, I must disagree with:

1) The implication that any re-encode must necessarily be radically inferior to the original, because the compression requires over 25 MBps bitrate. I suspect it's more a matter of filling the disc lots of times. I've noticed some double-layer Blu-Rays with lots of extras in which the movie is less than 17 GBs; a couple of the Harry Potter discs come to mind.

2) The implication that only a straight backup with (ideally) no compression or little compression is the only valid option. Yeah, lots of people convert and store movies on HTPCs, and find a re-encode to smaller size acceptable. I find BD9 size to be a good compromise, but others are free to disagree.

Anyway, thank you Victor D for your guide. Good effort.

[dragonkeeper]

Okay, deadrats got everybody riled up, but he has a few points:

1) The OP's method is over-complicated.

I'll give you that, but the OP definitely deserves an A for trying. (Keep em coming Victor D your work is much appreciated.)

2) Yeah, a backup to BD25 will be better. Take movie-only and convert the audio to 640 kbps, and most times the video will be untouched.

I disagree with the BD25 would be better it has been my experince most people can not tell the diff between files that are on a BD25 or a BD9 even when looking at 12' foot HD screen. Aside form that i don't believe backing up the disk is the OPs goal the OP wants to place the files on his/her hard drive for play back later. Totally agree with you on the audio.

I dunno why people insist HD audio is superior, most setups aren't good enough to justify it, and for damn sure most people's ears aren't. DTS is another story.

Agreed. I just happen to be one of those who has a setup that can do justice to a 7.1 HD audio track. So i can see where transparently or almost transparently reducing the file size of the audio track is a good thing. I'm looking for a good way to keep the most quality from a 7.1 HD-DTS audio track myself.

3) When re-encoding to BD5 size, it's a stretch to say the results are gonna be "good", watchable maybe if the display isn't too big.

To coin a phrase: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I half-way agree with you here, it totally depends on the movie. BD5 @ 720 is more than acceptable for some of the old transfers; movies that come to come to mind Stripes, Caddy Shack, The Last Star Fighter. Hell if you know what your doing you can make them look better.


As always a good post not a rant, comments such as yours will ensure the OP continues to contribute to the community.

[fritzi93]

To dragonkeeper:

I'm with you on BD25 vs BD9, I have a hard time seeing any difference. On second thought, if you did a test showing me one, then the other, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't do better than pure chance, or 50/50.

As to 1080p on BD5, I *can* tell on a 47" HDTV, and it gets very easy to see if the bitrate falls below 4,500 kbps. OTOH, my wife wonders what I'm on about, she can't see it. If you re-encode to 720p, however, that's fine and yeah, lots of transfers don't merit more than that anyway.

Again, I applaud Victor's efforts. The point about it being over-complicated was meant sincerely, but I in no way want to discourage him.

And thanks for compliment, I always respect your posts and read them with interest.

[deadrats]

It's pretty sad when a member tries to contribute to the community and gets hosed for it. Just because you don't see a use for it doesn't mean jack, I'm sure someone will. I don't see a need for mouthy ********, but evidently someone does god knows there are plenty of them everywhere you look.

yeah? and what happens when the hard drive(s) in the HTPC crash and you lose all those re-encodes? and for the record, i seriously doubt you bought 1500 movies, at even $20 each that comes out to 30 grand, maybe you meant to say you illegally downloaded 1500 shitty copies of movies in divx format.

[aedipuss]

It's pretty sad when a member tries to contribute to the community and gets hosed for it. Just because you don't see a use for it doesn't mean jack, I'm sure someone will. I don't see a need for mouthy ********, but evidently someone does god knows there are plenty of them everywhere you look.

yeah? and what happens when the hard drive(s) in the HTPC crash and you lose all those re-encodes? and for the record, i seriously doubt you bought 1500 movies, at even $20 each that comes out to 30 grand, maybe you meant to say you illegally downloaded 1500 shitty copies of movies in divx format.

jeez wtf deadrats! who said you could take over my job? i'm the damned abashing arsehole around here.

[dragonkeeper]

yeah? and what happens when the hard drive(s) in the HTPC crash and you lose all those re-encodes?

Ever heard of raid? I would be lying if i said i was currently using raid but i do have all my encodes backed up. I'm trying to find an elegant solution to segregate the back-ups drives in a raid config. I would like to have information in my closet with my server and have the back ups at my shop about 200 ft away. In case of fire or such, not all my data is lost. Freenas looks promising just need to find time to play with it.

and for the record, i seriously doubt you bought 1500 movies, at even $20 each that comes out to 30 grand, maybe you meant to say you illegally downloaded 1500 shitty copies of movies in divx format.

I've been buying DVDs even before they became mainstream the first DVD i purchased was DragonHeart and at $35 it was the single most expensive DVD i ever purchased. I was the first person i know of to buy a 5.1 suround sound system with a 36" tube TV could have gone bigger if wanted to do rear projection but the picture on those at the time was horrible.(Recently upgraded to 7.1 sound and HD projector with 12 foot screen.)

Today alone i purchased 3 BD titles Stripes, Transformers Dark Side of the Moon, and the Spies Like Us\Funny Farm double feature. And looking forward to Tuesday so i can pick up the Fast Five, Free Runner and Legend of the Millennium Dragon. On average i would say I but almost 3 movies a week, and have on several occasions purchased as many as 10 at one time. I've been doing this since early 1997 you do the math.

Picture of one of the couches in my theater room, i love these couches they can store a lot of crap under the seats.

[smitbret]

yeah? and what happens when the hard drive(s) in the HTPC crash and you lose all those re-encodes? and for the record, i seriously doubt you bought 1500 movies, at even $20 each that comes out to 30 grand, maybe you meant to say you illegally downloaded 1500 shitty copies of movies in divx format.

You sound angry and tense, deadrats. Did your Dad forget to renew your subscription to your hentai, tentacle porn website?

You need to learn to shop around. My modest collection is about 700 DVD/BR discs, most of which are DVD format. Probably didn't spend more than $12 on about 80% of those. If you look a little bit, Amazon, BestBuy and Target sell fairly new BR releases for $10 from time to time. Pawn shops will sell used DVDs @ 3 for $10 or BR @ 3 for $12. As I mentioned, most of us have jobs and can't afford to stand in line at Midnight to get the latest Harry Potter release for $34.99.

The best part, though, is that my setup's more secure than yours. You know why? If my HDD crashes, guess what? I STILL HAVE THE DVD, you dumbass! Fire in the garage? Still got the rip. Fire in the house? Still got the DVD and BR.

What an idiot......