Need to compress a video so that it is 1MB/min, what encoder should I use?

[deadrats]

Have you seen quality tests at least? Intel's encoder is noticeable worse than x264 and MainConcept.

i have tested it in software mode using media coder and tmpg and quite frankly i don't see it as "noticeably worse" but then again i have tested it using enough bit rate, i don't believe in bit rate starving my encodes.

[lordsmurf]

With decent h264 encoder you don't have to reduce fps.

Such a cop-out. At 1MB per 1 minute, you don't have much to play with.
"Good encoder" or not.

[aedipuss]

it's just a joke, 60mb for an hour of video that needs 10x the bitrate to be acceptable. why bother playing with garbage.

[Bob2267]

it's just a joke, 60mb for an hour of video that needs 10x the bitrate to be acceptable. why bother playing with garbage.

Seriously? It is not "garbage", the video lordsmurf presented was fine, especially for small-screen devices.
I need these for portable media players.

[Bob2267]

Happy now?
http://www.mediafire.com/?f5d65wi1e6wj6z5

I like this one. What settings did you use? Also, do you think MKV will work better than MP4 when compressing?
I ask this because I NEED to use MP4 files when I put these on my multimedia player, MKV will not work.

[aedipuss]

seriously?? who the f can watch more than 5 minutes of video on a 4 inch screen. iCrap retina display or not, it's a joke and a waste of time or there's a moron holding the device.

[Bob2267]

seriously?? who the f can watch more than 5 minutes of video on a 4 inch screen. iCrap retina display or not, it's a joke and a waste of time or there's a moron holding the device.

That's your opinion.

[mike20021969]

I need these for portable media players.

Why is it absolutely essential they are 1MB per minute?
What type of make/model of media player they are going on?

[Bob2267]

I need these for portable media players.

Why is it absolutely essential they are 1MB per minute?
What type of make/model of media player they are going on?

Zen. I'm also curious as to how much quality can be retained at this compression. I know it can be done. I'd like to spend as little money as possible on the Zen (more memory = higher price).

If lordsmurf would just be helpful and tell me what settings he used, I wouldn't have any need to make these threads. Probably a couple settings changed gave him that result, and he'll only reveal them if he gets money.

[Atak_Snajpera]

I like this one. What settings did you use? Also, do you think MKV will work better than MP4 when compressing?
I ask this because I NEED to use MP4 files when I put these on my multimedia player, MKV will not work.

x264.exe --preset placebo

MKV and MP4 is just a container. A box where you put video stream , audio stream ,subtitles and so on.

who still claims that x264 is over-rated is just a plain moron.

[PuzZLeR]

who still claims that x264 is over-rated is just a plain moron.

Easy there. For the longest time x264 was indeed over-rated.

It was great, in fact the best in the world, at compressing video to low, low bitrates, something it was optimized for. That's why it would win those "tests" that would base it on that.

But all it did was make mud look less like crap - still useless video other than for mobiles or "online distribution".

And it was slow, blurry, had no blu-ray compatibility, could not handle interlacing, and was beaten by even MPEG-2 (from a good encoder) at higher bitrates. To me that sounds like over-rated. And "free" is not synonymous to "good".

But things have changed, so it deserves better praise today indeed. x264 is no longer a Master of Mediocrity, it is indeed excellent. However, I have been impressed with the latest H.264 versions from MainConcept as well.

My recommendation to this user is still x264, since it's "free" and very good. I know Reference is a first class GUI, but x264 has among the best too, which is HandBrake and MeGUI (depending on your "encoding personality").

Yes, RipBot264 is good too.

[deadrats]

who still claims that x264 is over-rated is just a plain moron.

considering i have a near genius level IQ, majored in physics and computer science in college, hold licensing as an exterminator and real estate sales person and have signed up to go back to school in september to get certified as a phlebotomist and ekg tech and after that a patient care tech, i guess that makes me the most intelligent moron in the world seeing as how i am flat out saying that x264 is arguably one of the most over rated pieces of software currently available and its biggest appeal is the fact that it's free.

now, any time you wish to blow me just let me know and i'll pencil you into my schedule, douche.

[Atak_Snajpera]

considering i have a near genius level IQ,

hahaha... IQ does not measure full human potential. Human brain is too complicated to be just measured by single number. BTW Have you ever seen real test x264 vs paid encoders??? Show me where x264 looses with competition!

For me you are just a random guy who likes to show off with so called "certificates". I prefer to judge people by their work not by their "papers". Have you written any app so far?? I don't think so.

[lordsmurf]

There are hardware appliances out there that would eat x264 for breakfast.
And burp out MainConcept by lunch.
What's for dinner?

But you'll need a 5-figure investment to buy one, possibly be on a waiting list to get it.

x264 fanboys really need to get a grip on reality -- especially if they want to be taken seriously in any way.

[deadrats]

considering i have a near genius level IQ,

hahaha... IQ does not measure full human potential. Human brain is too complicated to be just measured by single number. BTW Have you ever seen real test x264 vs paid encoders??? Show me where x264 looses with competition!

For me you are just a random guy who likes to show off with so called "certificates". I prefer to judge people by their work not by their "papers". Have you written any app so far?? I don't think so.

if i wanted to "show off" i would post a picture of my ****, seriously that rooster is getting pretty big.

as for any "apps" i have coded, i did code a first person shooter using dark basic but in all honesty it sucks, too many limitations to the language and associated tools.

i am currently trying to code a full implementation of the intel sdk encoder but the going is slow, i'm having to learn quite a bit of the win api and how to map memory reads to d3d surfaces, which isn't easy.

in my spare time i'm still working on a compression app that i envisioned years ago, though i've had to stop coding while i go back and relearn calculus so that i can be sure that the approach i want to take is mathematically possible (i think it should be but i'm afraid to ask people with the math background that would know the answer because i worry they may "steal" my idea).

with regards to "real" tests, it's not possible for the average person to do such tests because the cost of the high end professional grade encoders to expensive beyond belief:

as of 2008 blu-code cost 40 grand (it's rumored to have hit 100 grand now), cinema craft encoder hd cost 75 grand (2008), expert h264 cost $995 (2008) and cinevision cost 40 grand (2008):

http://www.hughsnews.ca/faqs/authoritative-blu-ray-disc-bd-faq/17-industry-support-pri...d-availability

the reality is that the pros are willing to pay those outrageous prices and adhere to strict nda's and 1 license per seat schemes than use the free x264, that has to tell you something about how x264 stacks up to professional apps.

lastly, you need to remember x264 is open source, meaning the instructions that make up the app are free for anyone to look at and modify as they see fit. if x264 really were that much better than all the competition that superiority wouldn't last long because the competitors would just download the source, look at the algorithms used and how they were implemented and integrate them into their own apps, thus making sure that x264's advantage disappeared.