Vegas Movie Studio 10 crash

[magillagorilla]

Here are my options in project properties. 23.97fps is a native choice. Also My version ov Vegas has a Mainconcept h.264 MP4, I use it all the time.


HERE IS THE NIKON CLIP INFO
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : QuickTime
Codec ID : qt
File size : 216 MiB
Duration : 1mn 28s
Overall bit rate : 20.4 Mbps
Encoded date : UTC 2011-08-11 20:02:10
Tagged date : UTC 2011-08-11 20:02:10
NCDT : NCTG
Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.0
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames
Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=10
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 1mn 28s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 18.8 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.378
Stream size : 199 MiB (92%)
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2011-08-11 20:02:10
Tagged date : UTC 2011-08-11 20:02:10
Transfer characteristics : BT.470-6 System M, NTSC, FTC 73.682, BT.1700 625 PAL, BT.1700 625 SECAM
Matrix coefficients : BT.470-6 System B, BT.470-6 System G, BT.601-6 625, BT.1358 625, BT.1700 625 PAL, BT.1700 625 SECAM, IEC 61966-2-4 601
Audio
ID : 2
Format : PCM
Format settings, Endianness : Little
Format settings, Sign : Signed
Codec ID : sowt
Duration : 1mn 28s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 1 536 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Stream size : 16.3 MiB (8%)
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2011-08-11 20:02:10
Tagged date : UTC 2011-08-11 20:02:10

[magillagorilla]

Canon HF100 INFO

Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Blu-ray Video
File size : 317 MiB
Duration : 2mn 47s
Overall bit rate : 15.9 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 18.0 Mbps
Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.0
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames
Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=15
Codec ID : 27
Duration : 2mn 47s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 15.0 Mbps
Maximum bit rate : 16.0 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Top Field First
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.241
Stream size : 299 MiB (94%)
Audio
ID : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 2mn 47s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 256 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : -67ms
Stream size : 5.10 MiB (2%)

[magillagorilla]

Pentax P&S INFO

Complete name : E:\HOME VIDEO\Digital VIDEO\2011\20110800\IMGP1082.AVI
Format : AVI
Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
File size : 476 MiB
Duration : 2mn 42s
Overall bit rate : 24.7 Mbps
Mastered date : Sat Aug 6 22:56:02 2011
Writing library : PENTDigital CameraPENTAX DIGITAL CAMERA
Video
ID : 0
Format : JPEG
Codec ID : MJPG
Duration : 2mn 42s
Bit rate : 24.7 Mbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 30.000 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:2
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.892
Stream size : 475 MiB (100%)
Audio
ID : 1
Format : PCM
Format settings, Sign : Unsigned
Codec ID : 1
Codec ID/Hint : Microsoft
Duration : 2mn 41s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 64.0 Kbps
Channel(s) : 1 channel
Sampling rate : 8 000 Hz
Bit depth : 8 bits
Stream size : 1.23 MiB (0%)
Interleave, duration : 998 ms (29.93 video frames)
Interleave, preload duration : 1000 ms

[budwzr]

This thread's getting super technical, but I wanted to add that the 60i footage can be converted to progressive and here's the info on that: http://eugenia.queru.com/2009/02/09/butter-smooth-slow-motion/

[poisondeathray]

This thread's getting super technical, but I wanted to add that the 60i footage can be converted to progressive and here's the info on that: http://eugenia.queru.com/2009/02/09/butter-smooth-slow-motion/

This doesn't apply to him, it's not interlaced footage, and he shouldn't deinterlace

His "60i" footage is really telecined (3:2 hard pulldown). So it's progressive content in a 60i stream. In order to get the 24p footage back , he has to remove pulldown or "inverse telecine"



@magilla - I think there is a FREE version of cineform now , ever since gopro bought them . Search for "gopro cineform studio" . I think it includes directshow and VFW encoders/decoders. Cineform is very stable in vegas, and editing performance is great

[magillagorilla]

Is this it?

http://estore.cineform.com/neoplayer.aspx

[poisondeathray]

Is this it?

http://estore.cineform.com/neoplayer.aspx

no
http://gopro.com/3d-cineform-studio-software-download/

I don't think the free version has hdlink or can remove pulldown (not sure) . There is some GUI for it but I never played around with it

I tested it out on one of my "test" computers and it shows up ok in vdub (vfw encoder), so you could use avisynth to IVTC and encode to cineform (you could also convert the MOV files while you are at it)

[edDV]

You really need the Cineform Neoscene product. Add it to the gift and you have it for future use.
http://www.cineform.com/neoscene/

The other "free" product is intended to work with their 3D camera hardware. Not sure whether it can be unbundled but most likely will lack the inverse telecine feature you need. To find out is a high tech project that doesn't advance your short term need to edit a wedding.

I'm assuming you are doing the wedding gratis as a gift? If not time for better business bureau.

[magillagorilla]

Ya edDV,
I'm just a hobiest. It's my 3 wedding shoot for a relative/friend. I don't think I'll buy Neoscene this week. The reception is this Saturday and I need to show footage for people that didn't attend the wedding. It was a destination wedding. So, I can fudge it for a usable copy, then take my time to get the real good version to the couple at a later date.

[edDV]

Ya edDV,
I'm just a hobiest. It's my 3 wedding shoot for a relative/friend. I don't think I'll buy Neoscene this week. The reception is this Saturday and I need to show footage for people that didn't attend the wedding. It was a destination wedding. So, I can fudge it for a usable copy, then take my time to get the real good version to the couple at a later date.

A quick edit suggests a 60i project. Vegas will convert Nikon 24p and Pentax 30p to 60i.

I'd show it in 60i HD off a computer or Blu-Ray player AVCHD disc. A media player like the WDTV is another option.


BTW: The advanced 3D product is now called Neo3D and sells for $999.
http://www.cineform.com/neo3d/

[magillagorilla]

OK, when I left the project at 23.97p and rendered it to 720x480 29.97i 9.8Mbps MPEG2 the results were horrible. The Nikon footage was choppy and the AVCHD files show very chubby interlaced like distortions. Also, very weird, my crossfades don't work. Instead of blending the footage it flickers frames from one clip to the intersecting clip until the crossfade is over.

I redid my crossfades and made them fade to black between clips. I am rerendering the test using the DVD Architect compatibility settings. We'll see what I get.

[edDV]

Suggest a 60i project. Make sure project deinterlace method is set to interpolate fields.

To get 23.976p to work you would have to externally inverse telecine your AVCHD files and frame rate convert the Pentax files.

[magillagorilla]

"Make sure project deinterlace method is set to interpolate fields." This fixed my interlace problems. My test DVDs look OK.

I think the majority of my problem is lack of RAM. I noticed last night while editing, I added a new MOV clip to my timeline and the video was BLACK. I could hear the sound. The file played fine on an external player but would not play in the Vegas timeline. Thinking it was a display glitch I rendered a sample. It also rendered black. Weird right?

So I closed Vegas. I also have a batch file I made which kills all nonessential services on my machine. I run this before capping. I ran it to free up resources and restarted Vegas. Same MOV clip seems to work fine now in the timeline.

[budwzr]

I've noticed that Vegas always try to give you focus on the timeline first, and does the grunt work in the background. But if you're too active on the timeline while it's trying to sort out a mixed bag, that's when stuff happens.

Sometimes it appears frozen too, but if you give it a little time it comes back.

The problem I've been having lately is when I try to close the program, and it asks if I want to save the project, and I do, it will often crash. So what I do now is save the project first, and it's fine. But if I DON'T want to save the project, like if I'm just doing something unimportant, it NEVER crashes.

[magillagorilla]

Vegas is definately a "save often" application. But I've been working with multimedia for a long time and I'm used to crashy applications. I wouldn't include Vegas in the "crashy" category though, I think it's my hardware. Vegas is actually pretty stable. Power Director, on the other hand, is just bad software. I Ctrl+S often, it's second nature. My rule is, anything I've been working on for more than 20min is worth saving, just so I don't have to redo.

[edDV]

Not sure if Vegas has problems or if you are betting the farm that your render will work on current hardware.

60i timeline has lower risk.

[budwzr]

Ok, then.