Well, VHS capturing Mostly cartoons, having some questions:)

[jagabo]

Time for the RMA, I guess.

[zerowalker]

Oh, i see, read about it in your post now!
But, this maybe is a stupid question, but what is a TBC?
And is there a way to fix the spray thing and such?

Thank you!

EDIT: oh missed your post jagabo, well if it´s a common issue, i can´t do much i guess, this is the only good capture card with software compression that i can get i think.

[jagabo]

A TBC is a time base corrector. A full frame TBC provides a constant video signal with perfect sync pulses, even if the source (the VHS deck) loses sync.

I don't know what you mean by the "spray thing". You should do what I suggest earlier and capture from a clean source to check out the card. Once you have that capturing cleanly you can start looking at your VHS tapes.

[zerowalker]

i posted a video of it, you can see that the colors goes wild.

Okay will try with XBOX 360 HDMI, okay?

[jagabo]

I saw your spray video earlier. I'm still not sure wht you're talking about. You mean the way the chroma channels shift to the side on occasion? That is probably related to sync errors. Why is the shot so dark? Is it just a dark shot?

Also, are you sure you had ffdshow and your capture device in YUY2 mode? The video comes out of ffdshow as YV12 on my system.

[zerowalker]

I don´t use ffdshow to force anymore, and when i did it was Yuy2 on output.
And yes it´s a dark scene.
So i need a TBC to get rid of that?
What is a TBC then:S

[jagabo]

I already answered that.

A full frame TBC:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/185957-REG/Datavideo_TBC_1000_TBC_1000_Single_Ch...nnel_Time.html

You also want an S-VHS deck with a line TBC:
https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/230650-Confused-Why-a-VCR-with-TBC-if-separate-TBC-...=1#post1346821
https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/232830-Test-of-various-VCRs-Image-Quality-from-VHS-...%28Big-Pics%29

[zerowalker]

Oh, sorry for that, but this doesn´t look to nice. why does the card need so much tweaking just to show the content from a vcr, when the old card did it just fine

[jagabo]

Some devices are more robust than others.

[zerowalker]

Yeah, put me in a dilemma, i am not sure i can RMA it if it´s nothing wrong with it, as this is just how it works. But i haven´t tried Digital sources yet as i can´t find my Xbox weird enough. Put i guess i will keep it if digital is working fine, and maybe use the other card for analog, to bad but that is the only conclusion i get to

[jagabo]

Yeah, put me in a dilemma, i am not sure i can RMA it if it´s nothing wrong with it, as this is just how it works.

But how it works is wrong, not suitable for its claimed purposes (VHS capture). That's grounds for RMA as far as I'm concerned.

AVerTV HD DVR is a superior device to digitalize piles of videotapes turning your content recorded in analog video into DVD format!

They don't specifically say VHS but all analog video tape formats have the same time base problems.

[zerowalker]

Ah, that´s very true.
But i don´t know of any other card that can do the same as this (but the right way). Do you?

[zerowalker]

Well, i have now contacted them and told them i want my money back, so i will soon send it back with UPS and hope for the best.
With that aside i am wondering, is there a card that can do Analog very well, and digital?
Cause this card was nice overall, nice features and such, but with the way it handled analog sources made me very disappointed.
So is there any recommendations?
I don´t think everything exists here in Sweden, but if you can recommend stuff and a store that is safe to buy from, it would be very nice

PS: I still don´t get why i get those Chroma lines, i get it with both cards as you have seen, and i tried my other vcr, and it´s the same i think. So i have hard to see that it´s both cards, or both VCR, and can´t see that it´s the cable either, but there must be one of them right?

[zerowalker]

Isn´t there any who knows, as i think there should be others like me capturing analog sources with "quality" demands?
Well i am not one to ask for answers as i can´t answer any questions myself.

[jagabo]

The AMD 650 and 600 based capture devices are capable of very good analog capture, especially from composite (they have a 3d comb filter to reduce dot crawl artifacts). Unfortunately, they're very sensitive to macrovision and false macrovision detection, and they sometimes lock up on unstable signals. Driver availability and stability are also problems. But when they work they're great.

The most stable analog capture device I ever used was the Hauppauge PVR-250. It ignores macrovision. It doesn't have a 3d comb filter so it shows dot crawl noise in composite captures. Controls are available for brightness, contrast, hue, saturation, sharpness, and noise reduction. But it's a hardware MPEG 2 encoder (up to 15,000 kbps) so you always have at least a little macroblocking and 4:2:0 chroma resolution loss. It may not be suitable if you plan on using a lot of filtering.

[zerowalker]

Yeah software capture is a must, but sadly i don´t think the first option is rather safe if it got problems with macrovision and sensitivity etc
But i am very grateful for the suggestions of course!

[zerowalker]

Has there happened anything on the market?
Any card that´s stable with analog and allow uncompressed capture etc?
As i am still trying to find one that will work for me, there has to be something;S

[jagabo]

For standard definition analog video capture there are fewer and fewer choices every day.

[zerowalker]

I see, i really should try to get my hands on one then, but i just don´t know which one, as there is so much to think about with all the problems.
I know you recommended All In Wonder, but the Macrovision thing is a real problem, and not sure i can get my hands on one.

It´s sad that the card i bought before which had digital and analogue failed totally on the analogue part, while the card i got now got problems with the brightness control being automatic for some reason.

[themaster1]

It's all usb now, perhaps this product i have a card, same brand but pci since like 4 years software encoding so with lossless capture possibility and YUY2(4.2.2) support.

More pro oriented brands use firewire or pci-e slots with the eternal DV hardware encoding (4.1.1) (it may be time they upgrade that if possible)

[zerowalker]

What card do you have?
And do you know anything of that usb edition?
Like Stability etc.

Thanks

[zerowalker]

If Scart to S-video is supported with colors, is full RGB available?
Meaning Scart to Component possible?

[jagabo]

SCART can carry composite, s-video, or RGB (not component). I've heard of cards that can capture RGB. But video sources are YCbCr so capturing as RGB won't get you a better picture. RGB would be of benefit with things like game consoles and possibly some high def devices downscaling to standard definition.

[zerowalker]

Ah, but isn´t RGB Component? (Red, Green, Blue?).
Thanks

[jagabo]

No, RGB isn't the same as component video. RGB carries the signal as red, green, and blue channels. Component video carries the signals as Y, Cb, and Cr channels -- roughly grayscale, blue-grayscale, and red-grayscale. It's just an unfortunate coincidence that component cables are colored red, green, and blue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YCbCr

[zerowalker]

Oh i see;O

[zerowalker]

Another Question about this, For Example, Gamecube Pal doesn´t support S-Video, but it does support RGB. Is it possible to use
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SCART-Male-Female-3-RCA-AV-SOCKETS-S-Video-SVHS-/360193846523?...item53dd39ecfb
To get S-Video?
Or is there some bottleneck?

Thanks

[jagabo]

Another Question about this, For Example, Gamecube Pal doesn´t support S-Video, but it does support RGB. Is it possible to use
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SCART-Male-Female-3-RCA-AV-SOCKETS-S-Video-SVHS-/360193846523?...item53dd39ecfb
To get S-Video?
Or is there some bottleneck?

Thanks

No. All that device does is split the SCART pins to the s-video and composite outputs. To convert RGB to s-video requires active circuitry. You won't find such a device at that price.

[zerowalker]

So RGB is not sure to have the S-video pins needed?

[jagabo]

It's not a matter of pin outs. RGB is RGB, it's not s-video. To convert RGB to s-video requires an electronic device.