Well, VHS capturing Mostly cartoons, having some questions:)

[jagabo]

The AverTV card shouldn't have the chroma stripe problem. Unless it's on the tape. Otherwise I don't think there will be too much difference in the captures.

I'm not sure what you mean by "converting analog to digital before it reaches the card". With both devices you are using the card to convert analog to digital when capturing from a VHS deck's composite or s-video output. The AverTV also has the ability to capture digital data via HDMI. In that case it just saves the digital data in a file.

[zerowalker]

ehm what i meant was, with my card now, i connect Composite Directly to the Card.
With that i must change cables, Dopple or something you called it, doesn´t it convert it to Digital with wires or something in it?

EDIT: hope it´s not on the tape, cause it´s on all my movies, and find it hard to believe so then. Maybe the VCR then, but hope not.

[jagabo]

ehm what i meant was, with my card now, i connect Composite Directly to the Card.
With that i must change cables, Dopple or something you called it, doesn´t it convert it to Digital with wires or something in it?

Oh, you mean the dongle, or pig tail cable. All that does is route the various connectors to the right pins on the card's port (that looks like an HDMI port but isn't).

Here's the same frame as earlier but with some noise reduction and sharpening:



I added this to the earlier script:

TTempSmooth(maxr=5, lthresh=20, cthresh=20, strength=5)
Deen()
DFTTest(sigma=32,sigma2=32)
AwarpSharp2()

[zerowalker]

ah very nicely
Will play around with it!

Ah okay, thought it changed to digital with the wires, cause that doesn´t sound to good, as analog isn´t any "form" if i get it right, just signals.

[jagabo]

I'm looking forward to seeing now the AverTV compares to your current card. Please post some samples!

[zerowalker]

Yes will do when i get it. Would be nice if it´s alot better, but even if it´s the same (but without the lines please) i am happy

[zerowalker]

Btw, if i buy more high quality cables, will it improve anything?
I don´t think i wana buy Monsters but other good ones maybe, as monsters costs a fortune.

[jagabo]

Higher quality cables won't help with the color stripes. Unless your current cables are completely unshielded, or are simply bad, higher quality cables won't do much for the other problems. Composite video doesn't take much bandwidth as far as cables are concerned.

[zerowalker]

Okay, yeah was more concerned of the normal noise problems. But well don´t know anything about cables, but it´s just a standard black cable, i would like to have S-Video but my vcr don´t have that output, my other vcr does, but it got mono audio;S

[jagabo]

You might as well try some other cables just in case there is something wrong with your current cable. But there's no reason to spend big bucks on Monster (brand) cables. A US$10 to $20 cable will work just as well.

[zerowalker]

Okay, well i will buy some new ones i guess, cause these once i got has just been laying in a box i think, so i don´t think they are in there best shape, they may be very old to.

[themaster1]

what codec have you used zerotalk i can't decompress your video delay.avi

[zerowalker]

Ehm, i think i used UT Video Codec.

[jagabo]

Yes, the ULY2 fourcc is used by UT Video Codec.

[zerowalker]

Okay i got the new Card http://www.pixmania.se/se/se/4311511/art/avermedia/tv-kort-hybrid-capture-hd.html.
But i got some problems
First is that it captures with black bars on the left and right, and on the left it´s som artifacts coming up.
And the picture is pretty bad in some cases.
In this video i think i got the things i mentioned.
I capture with Virtualdub, Preview, 25 FPS, 720x576, UT Video YUY2.

[zerowalker]

Now it bugs up and i get black screen lag or what to call it..
Don´t know what to do

[themaster1]

Can't you just capture with huff or lagarith codecs like most of the guys?

[zerowalker]

Well, sure, but now the card is bugged or what to say, so don´t know what to do to even get good picture.
It just show picture, then black, picture, black etc, and audio lags aswell

[jagabo]

That cap has the same problems of your earlier caps. Could you try capturing with HuffYUV instead of UT video codec? Also try capturing some know good sources (cable box, satellite box, broadcast tv, etc.) and see if the same problems are there (2 line chroma stripes, chroma/luma crosstalk).

I wouldn't start capturing with Lagarith. It's much more CPU intensive than HuffYUV. Hence much more prone to problems.

If you're using VirtualDub, try disabling audio capture (and playback) until you get the video issues worked out. Try disabling Video -> Overlay and Preview too.

By the way, I know I named UT as a possibility somewhere but I don't think I actually recommended it. I don't know it well enough because I don't actually use it (except to decode videos people post here). Whereas HuffYUV has been around for a long time and I know it works properly.

[zerowalker]

Okay, well will try it, but need to RMA the card or something for now.

[jagabo]

Okay, well will try it, but need to RMA the card or something for now.

I would try some of the things I recommended before getting an RMA. VirtualDub can be tricky (and from what I've read, so is the AverTV HD DVR) about getting the right settings.

And, of course, a full power cycle and reboot can't hurt...

[zerowalker]

Yeah, but it´s the same with the original Application. and i have tried all kinds of settings. Reboot, Reinsert the card etc.
it worked first, but then i updated the drivers, and now it´s like this all the time no matter what i do, i got the old drivers now, but still the same, so the new drivers must have done something wrong. So in the end i did something wrong, but just hope that i can RMA it

[zerowalker]

i can get it to work if i make FFDshow decode the Raw input from the card in virtualdub:S
but that is not supposed to be needed, so don´t really know what to do, other then RMA ofc which i have mailed the company, but it would be nice if i can fix it some how.

[themaster1]

dont use ffdshow it's an advice, Try Dscaler if your card is supported

[zerowalker]

Tried it, but didn´t work to well, thanks
But any ideas how it can work good with decoders processing some of the input instead of the card?
It get´s black some times with audio lag, but it´s much better, but it isn´t supposed to even be there in the first place.
I don´t know if something interrupts with the video and audio, will try play around.

EDIT: Tried without it, now it does´t lag like hell, but it´s here and there or how to put it.

[themaster1]

Other software to consider: ChrisTV pvr

[zerowalker]

hmm, would prefer free software, but it looks pretty neat, if i want to record analog sources with schedule timing it looks like i will try it out though
Other that that, the card makes me more and more confused, as now it seems to work, or atleast for the time being, i uninstalled CCCP and installed only ffdshow tryout, not sure if that helped though. But i added a clip which contain an artifact noise that i get with this card, and it seems unnatural, any ideas?

[jagabo]

I've never used it but you might try VirtualVCR. It's mentioned a lot around here. And it's free. There's also an old program called AVI_IO.

I'll look at your latest video tomorrow...

I just took a quick look -- it's all black? Except for a little flicker at the left edge? Keep in mind that you don't normally see the outer edges on TV. It's hidden by the TV's overscan. It's not uncommon for there to be noise at the far edges.

[zerowalker]

Well, Virtualdub isn´t really the problem i think, have tried VirtualVCR, and did it again now, and it´s the same as Virtualdub but with less settings, and less stable. The screen don´t lag black, but don´t know if it´s temporary or depend on the source or what shows. But other that that it seems that the card has very hard to show some colors correctly and makes it look like you spray colors on the screen from left to right and back again. Will put a sample later on, but going to bed now. Thanks for the help!

EDIT: put it up anyway, saved as FFhuffuv yuy2 Plane and Adaptive thing checked. As you can see it seems to me that it can´t keep the colors in check. Don´t know if it´s supposed to look like that, but i compared similar thing from other videos which don´t appear on my other video card. Both got the Chroma problem however, which means, or atleast i think it means, that the VCR is the source of that problem.

[Brad]

Dropping to black is a known issue with the AVerTV and VCR input without a TBC. https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/329016-2001-2010-my-capture-cards-comparison-screen...=1#post2050801