Well, VHS capturing Mostly cartoons, having some questions:)

[zerowalker]

Oh, i read that, but remembered it wrong;S
But, PAL60 is like NTSC right?
just that it has PAL colors?
There i don´t know how to modify drivers at all, but would be nice to add another option with NTSC update speed, and PAL colors.
As if i change to NTSC with PAL60 and reduce Height to 480 as in NTSC, so i think it just needs to change to PAL colors for it to work properly.


Okay, will try to look at the histrogram and hope i can understand it
Will post after i have done it.

[zerowalker]

It becomes Red at the far right from time to time, even with default settings on Contrast and Brightness.

[jagabo]

You don't want the video to extend into the red at either end. At least, not much.

[zerowalker]

Okey, it´s always red and still at the left side, though the right side got fixed with lowering the contrast, tried playing some things, and seems well, will play around with it if i am not satisfied later.

[jagabo]

The image in the link I posted has too much in the red. I did that on purpose just so the image would show some read.

[zerowalker]

Well it´s like this, the red on the left is always there (or atleast very much from what i saw).
It´s pretty much standing still to.

[jagabo]

That small amount in the red is ok. It's really just noise in black areas that's going below IRE 0 (Y=16).

[sanlyn]

There's usually a black border somewhere in the frame on incoming video. Black borders (usually around RGB 0) will always be in the red. They look like a small left-hand "spike" that seems to be all by itself. On most histograms, darks are to the left, brights to the right. You can temporarily eliminate black borders from view by using the Crop menu - but don't forget to undo any cropping before you capture (I can't tell you how many times I forgot to do undo the cropping and had to run the damn thing all over again).

Depending on the recording or player, there might also be some bright border noise or signal noise along one or more edges that will throw off your histogram.

It's best to capture the entire image, but turn your border cropping off during capture. Borders can always be fixed after capture. For most post-processing filters, you need the whole frame. Many filters and processing apps will choke on cropped, non-standard frame sizes.

[zerowalker]

Ah okay, hopefully i have set mine okay, but it´s good if it becomes red just some times along the recording then
It´s probably as you say with the black borders etc, so will not care about it.

Thanks

[jagabo]

It´s probably as you say with the black borders etc, so will not care about it.

In my experience the black borders are usually at IRE 0 (y=16, RGB=0 after VirtualDub's rec.601 conversion), the same black level that the rest of the picture should have. Of course, many recordings have the wrong black level so you may have to let the black borders fall below IRE 0 in order to get decent contrast in the main picture.

[zerowalker]

Ehm, so how do i let it fall below to fix the contrast?

Btw that was from a gaming console with NTSC, if it makes any difference.

[jagabo]

Ehm, so how do i let it fall below to fix the contrast?

Like Sanlyn said, crop the borders and check the histogram. Another way is to play a video (and leave it playing) before you start VirtualDub (so VirtualDub doesn't use video overlay) then use CSamp to check the preview in VirtualDub. You want the darkest parts of the picture to be around RGB=0.

If your capture device's proc amp doesn't have the range to let you fix it while capturing you can fix it later while editing/encoding.

[zerowalker]

But the problems with Borders is, it´s a console, there is not borders;S
or have i misunderstood the border meaning?

EDIT: about Composite, i only have like, the cheapest random cables, and the ones i bought.
Was wondering where i could buy high quality?
Don´t care about brand, just want it to be the "best" in visual quality?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-FT-COMPOSITE-VIDEO-CABLE-SUBWOOFER-CORD-COAX-6FT-/3903859749...item5ae4d13e8b

Is this something good?

[jagabo]

If you don't have black borders you don't have to worry about them.

Unless there's something wrong with your cables you'll find there's no difference between cheap and expensive composite cables.

https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/221249-Test-Caps-various-composite-and-s-video-cabl...ight=composite

[zerowalker]

Well the problem is more, that i don´t know how old they are, i think they are more than 5 years old or something, don´t know when i even bought them, think they came with something i bought.
So it´s more, "let´s be on the safe side" thing

And yeah, saw that, but just want good cables, not the cheapest where it´s like a thing cable that seems like going off when you touch it.
But not the Monster Extreme composite Ultra Special Deluxe cable for 50 dollars.


Ah, okay

Thanks

[sanlyn]

But the problems with Borders is, it´s a console, there is not borders;S
or have i misunderstood the border meaning?

EDIT: about Composite, i only have like, the cheapest random cables, and the ones i bought.
Was wondering where i could buy high quality?
Don´t care about brand, just want it to be the "best" in visual quality?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-FT-COMPOSITE-VIDEO-CABLE-SUBWOOFER-CORD-COAX-6FT-/3903859749...item5ae4d13e8b

Is this something good?

With composite I've had excellent results with Acoustic Research Performance series (also called the "blue-jackets"). Very sharp, excellent contrast, beautiful color, snappy black and white, very little transmission noise, decent plug design.

This set also has stereo audio cables, which happen to be pretty nice audio cables:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Acoustic-Research-6-FT-Composite-Audio-Video-APO61-/3903800056...item5ae47628fe

Video only:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Acoustic-Research-AP001-6-ft-composite-video-RCA-cable-/160338...item2554ee5bb9

The prices shown are more than reasonable. The blue-jackets used to retail for much more than the prices shown here. Acoustic Research also marketed the "Pro" brand. A little more expensive, but IMHO not as clean an image, a little soft to my eye. The blue-jackets performed even better than some very expensive brands that I once paid good money for.

[sanlyn]

But the problems with Borders is, it´s a console, there is not borders;S
or have i misunderstood the border meaning?

Likely, a game console's image won't have colored borders. However, many images from tape or tv broadcasts might have borders imposed by the image format. For example, a 4:3 movie image won't fit exactly in a 4:3 640x480 image. Or you might have a letterboxed image for wide-screen formats that won't fill a 16:9 frame in HD.

Here is a 4:3 unprocessed/unfiltered capture from a 4:3 VHS movie image. The white arrow in the upper right points to an 8-pixel right border. There's also 4 pixels of signal noise at the bottom of the frame.

[Attachment 10785 - Click to enlarge]

[zerowalker]

Ah yeah, there are som cases where consoles have such things, and pretty much all pal tapes have these i think, as well, we have one of a kind resolution that no one cares about for broadcast, but will try to see if i can learn stuff from it, like banding and such, would be nice

Thanks.

[zerowalker]

Missed the post for the composite cable;O
will try to get a hold of it, sadly that was only for the US and i live in Sweden, but there should be a way to get it here

[sanlyn]

I believe I saw those cables in Europe a while back. In any case, stay away from Monster Cable if you see it. Overpriced by a large margin, even at discounts.

The wire you linked to is found all over the world. It is 26-gauge stranded-core wire, rather thin stuff. Something a little thicker would have a smoother impedance curve, which in itself would be an improvement.

[zerowalker]

Well hopefully i will find some. the ones in US are pretty good priced, but the shipment is the problem;S
it can cost more than the cable;S

EDIT: Can this composite cable be bought in a normal store near you?
If so how much?

[sanlyn]

The blue-jacket AR's are no longer produced. AR makes some pretty cheap stuff, or very expensive stuff, and no longer anything in the middle ranges. But there must be millions of them all over the planet. I've been getting mine from eBay and Amazon.

The wire you linked to earlier would certainly work, as its similar to the type of OEM wirea that come with most a/v gear. My idea was a suggestion, but certainly not a mandatory "requirement". As jagabo stated, most wire works OK and most people can't see any difference. I'm just more picky than most, I guess (or over-sensitive, or whatever you want to call it).

[zerowalker]

Well oversensitive is good if you ask me, better be safe than sorry right?
So will try to get ahold of it

[zerowalker]

Wait, you see difference with a HDMI cable?
Aren´t Digital always the same, except for distances where there may be Errors, and it doesn´t support error correction?
other than that it should look the same right?

[jagabo]

When you get the new cable post some samples with the old cable and the new cable.

The failure mode with HDMI cables is extremely obvious. You get sparkly pixles with small errors. As errors get worse you get a complete loss of signal. You can't get blurring, ghosting, light noise, contrast loss, color shifts, etc. It's impossible.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20056502-1/why-all-hdmi-cables-are-the-same/
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57321956-221/why-all-hdmi-cables-are-the-same-part-2/

[zerowalker]

Will do

And btw, Chroma leaking when deinterlacing, is that the source fault or the filter?
As i get it no matter what with QTGMC, though not everywhere, it´s in a game, i think it´s chroma leaking, it´s light stuff, like green red etc.
will try post a sample later.

[jagabo]

And btw, Chroma leaking when deinterlacing, is that the source fault or the filter?

Could be either (not QTGMC in particular, but something you did before). Post a sample...

[sanlyn]

Wait, you see difference with a HDMI cable?
Aren´t Digital always the same, except for distances where there may be Errors, and it doesn´t support error correction?
other than that it should look the same right?

Does it? To some, yes. To me and some others, however:
http://www.whathifi.com/reviews/accessories/hdmi-and-video-cables

[zerowalker]

Here it is, try to deinterlace it, without getting the Aim (Green) so leak to the left.

[zerowalker]

But how can for example the Lindy one, not being able to do good with sharpness and motion?
I mean, isn´t everything just 1,0 going back and forth, then it´s up to the device to decode it. if there is errors, it gives jitter or bad blocks or something.