Need help cloning desktop with ati all in wonder hd in vista via riser card

[yoda313]

Ok here is my issue.

I have an ati all in wonder hd pci-e video card. It is the 512mb model by visiontek. I have the riser card installed that has the svideo in out ports with the component out jacks.

I want to use the clone mode to be able to play my stereoscopic player out through my svideo jack onto my old video projector that only has composite and svideo inputs.

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I have a catalyst control center version that has this THEATER MODE that I've read about on this forum. I also am running Windows Vista 32bit premium.

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I have tried and tried and haven't figured out how to duplicate the desktop over the svideo dongle - it is a dongle with a svideo input module and three composite input modules - the red/white/yellow ones.

I have tried to use the duplicate feature in the desktops and display tab on the ccc panel (I dont' know the version I'm using but it has the theater mode option so it must be an older one as I've read in other threads that it isn't available in different versions).

I was using the hdmi out as my main connection to my hdtv and then trying to use my svideo dongle to either svideo or composite. I haven't gotten that to work. I am now using a dvi-hdmi jack as my main hookup while trying to clone the desktop out to svideo or composite (either will work for my needs but svideo would definitely be preferred).

I can't seem to understand the desktops and displays tab on the ccc panel. I see my tv as the main display. But for the life of me I can't seem to get how to simply CLONE the desktop out to the svideo or rca outputs. It seems it can be active but when I check that input on my tv the screen is blank.

I am currently connecting the output from the svideo dongle to the analog inputs on my hdtv. I intend to use a series of cable extensions to route it to my video projector so I can watch 3d movies in anaglyph with the stereoscopic player playing in full screen mode with the original aspect ratio (so it will be letterboxed on my 4:3 projector preserving the image).

If I haven't provided enough detail please let me know. I can get the version number of ccc for you if that will help.

Also do I need to select or deselect force tv detection?

Does it matter if I am using a dvi-hdmi cable or a regular hdmi cable as my main monitor?

Is there some little check box somewhere I'm not setting that is keeping me from seeing a clone of my desktop?

Do both monitors need to be on the same resolution? Should both be set to 720x480 so it will show on the analog output?

Your guidance is welcomed. I'm thinking I'm probably one click away from getting this to work but for the life of me I'm not sure what that is. I have tried googling but the sea of info is overwhelming. I have searched here a bit enough to know about this theater mode feature but I'm not sure I understand how to switch it on so I can play a movie in the other window or simply clone the screen so i can go full screen in the movie player and watch it on the analog connection on my old video projector.

Let me know if you need more information or not (fyi my main monitor for this computer is a 1366x768 32" westinghouse lcd tv).

[yoda313]

Bump.....

Any help here?

I have been trying to convert my side by side files to a combined anaglyph file but I've been running into some roadblocks.

This is looking to be my best bet to simply play the files with stereoscopic player and clone it out to my video projector over a rca composite video cable.

I'm still not sure which settings are needed to do the clone. I am using a dvi-hdmi cable to view my computer on the hdtv. I have the adapter card that has the video in and out jacks. I have a dongle that has the svideo and rca hookups on it.

What am I missing?

[Nelson37]

Don't have that particular card, but I have had many, many similar ATI cards.

Set resolution to 720x480. 800x600 may work, but start with 720x480. You may be able to get up to 1024 by 768. Test with a standard TV, AFTER THAT start working with the projector. It may very well have non-standard resolution requirements.

Turn the TV on FIRST. Make all connections. THEN, fire up the PC, set clone, and reboot. Watch both displays. If you see BIOS info on both screens, then the clone monitor disappears when Windows loads, check the resolution and refresh rates. This indicates that the clone does not support the parameters given, or at least the ATI software does not think it does.

You MUST have settings that both monitors can handle. Trying to do this with two TV displays for initial setup is a mistake.

If you boot up with the TV off, you may have to shut down and re-do the above. At least three of my ATI cards worked this way. One reason I switched to Nvidia for my HTPC.

Make absolutely certain that you are connecting to OUTPUTS rather than INPUTS.

[usually_quiet]

Theater mode is not supported by Vista or Windows 7. The explanation that I read is the overlay function that allowed it to work is incompatible with Aero. As you have discovered, some people have been able to get Theater Mode working again by rolling back to an earlier version of CCC, and using basic video mode along with particular software video players. ...but this doesn't seem to work for everyone.

I have only tried the other 2 desktop modes with a more modern ATI video card than yours and a 1920x1080 LCD monitor connected using DVI, plus a 4:3 CRT monitor set a 640x480 connected using VGA. You will need to rely on Nelson37's experience for setting up TVs. My video card has no compatible connections to use with my SD CRT TVs.

In clone desktop mode, both the primary and secondary monitors will need to be set up to use the same resolution.

If it is available, you could try extended desktop mode, assuming your stereoscopic player only needs to be visible on one monitor, not both. In extended desktop mode, the screens can be different resolutions. You would drag the stereoscopic player over to the secondary monitor, and resize to full screen. I don't know what picture adjustments your stereoscopic player provides, but some media players like Media Player Classic Home Cinema and VLC can be set up to display full screen correctly on the secondary montor with no window borders.

[jagabo]

Clone mode is hard to find in the ATI setup applet. First get the main display working without the secondary. Then right click on the small icon for the second display in the disabled section and select Clone mode.



That's the only place I've found clone mode.

[yoda313]

Thanks everyone.

I think I read somewhere the all in wonder hd is based on the 3500 series radeon cards.

@jagabo - my ccc screen does not look like that.

However I do have an extend option available. The thing that confuses me about it is only available on the extra tv monitor icon not on the main display option. There is a duplicate desktop option on right click on the main monitor but it doesn't always seem to be available. I think it might have to do with whether or not I enable or disable the second monitor. This is definitely not an easy process.

@nelson37 - yes i have checked to make sure its the out slot not the in slot. I even unplugged the video card and the riser card and reseated the little connector cable that links the two together and reinserted it.

I'm on a different computer at the moment and can't post screen shots right now. I'll check these out and report back. I'll have the projector while I'm doing the configuation. Before I was just using the same tv for both the dvi-hdmi connection and the svideo and composite connection. I'll have just a composite video out routed to the video projector while testing this time around. Hopefully this will help.

@usually quiet - yes I only need the stereoscopic player in one window. I did see it have window 1 and window 2 option in the view mode - I think it might have said monitor not window so I'm assuming that is to have the video in the other desktop. Hopefully I can get this tweaked just right.

I'll post my results if I can get it to work in my particular setup.

[Nelson37]

I am almost positive that it will not work with both connections going to the same display. Never tried that. Pretty certain that you can NOT have two analog connections, must be one digital and one analog. I believe the ATI software will consider a digital connection to a TV as an analog connection.

If I were doing it, I would get a standard monitor to start, get that working, then hook up the TV. Do the projector last, combine it with the standard monitor, and only after that works try the TV and projector together.

If this is something that you really want to work on a regular basis, get an Nvidea card. The PITA factor is greatly reduced. Trust me, been there, done that.

[yoda313]

Thanks nelson37.

Here is the screen I have:

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I have ccc version 2010.0527.1242.20909.

The second box next to the number 1 is the tv option. I have currently disabled it in this screen cap that is why it has no number in front of it.

I have the graphics card connected to my hdtv via dvi-hdmi out. I have the dongle connected to the video out port on the riser card.

I did as jagabo suggested. I had just the main monitor active. I then clicked on the tv icon and selected duplicate. Nothing showed up. I disabled it then tried extend. Nothing again. I've tried a few times like this back and forth. I also had it connected to the video projector via composite and to a regular old crt tv with a composite input jack. Nothing.

I had the tv out set to 720x480 30hz figuring that was the sweet spot for standard definition. No go all the times I tried it. I also had the main monitor set to 720x480 while in duplicate and nothing was showing on the second monitor.

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I'm not sure what I'm missing here. As far as I know I have aero disabled - I can't do that rolladex alt-tab trick nor do I have the video preview on the taskbar tabs either. So would this still be impossible to do on vista 32bit home premium?

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Is there a cheap usb to video output adapter available on the market? I'm thinking less than 30.00 as an optimal price range. I know quality would probably be suspect but this is for standard definition anyway I wouldn't need it to be top notch.

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Thanks again everyone.

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@nelson37 - regarding the tv being considered two analogs - would it still be a factor if I'm using a dvi-hdmi cable? The dvi port on the card is being used not the hdmi out - would that make a difference? I am still not getting any output this way but just so you know I'm using the dvi out not hdmi for the hdtv monitor.

edit - i think it was the radeon 3560 that the ati all in wonder hd is based on - not 100% sure but that is what I remember reading in my research.

[usually_quiet]

I think the refresh rate for an NTSC CRT TV is 60Hz, not 30Hz.

[yoda313]

I think the refresh rate for an NTSC CRT TV is 60Hz, not 30Hz.

I'll try it again. Thanks.

Edit - nope - it does not give me an option for 60hz. Only 29hz or 30hz. Thanks anyway.

[Nelson37]

Something is seriously wrong with that refresh rate. 60 is on the low side for monitors, should be correct for the TV. 30 is way too low, and wrong. Interesting that it is exactly half what it should be. This may, or may not, be related to having two connections to the same tv/monitor.

Do you have a standard monitor so as to eliminate a major variable?

The second display MUST be currently active in order to set it up. Using the TV S-video connection, WHILE THE TV IS ON ANOTHER CONNECTION, will NOT repeat NOT be currently active. Short version, as I said earlier, it won't work.

The digital connection to an analog display issue would be the same for either DVI or HDMI.

Using a standard monitor as a starting point is important. You are currently in the process of learning why that is so.

Using a scan converter would just suck. Not acceptable, IMO.

[yoda313]

Thanks everyone for all the help.

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I have actually found a suitable workaround for my purposes.

I have used MULTIAVCHD to create a perfect anaglyph trioscopic (green/magenta) 3d avchd of the movie I want.

I took the side by side mkv file that I had created with dvd fab 3d bluray ripper and loaded it into multiavchd. I had to go into properties and alter the video properties to stereo left/right instead of normal 2d. Then in the transcode window I was able to select create anaglyph. In the settings tab on the main window I was able to select green/magenta for the proper anaglyph encoding I wanted.

It didn't take too long to create since it was already a h264 1280x720 file it just needed to be combined.

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Thanks everyone for all of your help.

I do not need this after all since I can play the avchd on my ps3 and my ps3 works great via composite to my video projector.

This has been a lot of work but I finally found a solution to this and I'm happy with it.

edit - in the properties tab go to "alter detected properties". THere you can change normal 2d to stereo left/right or a number of other options for 3d files.

Hit the transcode button in the properties tab and there is a place you can check next to "create 3d anaglyph" and that is what will enable the conversion from sbs to combined anaglyph for avchd.

On the main page tab of settings you can choose 3d encoding and pick the type of color combination you want.