Our first editing and camera work, failure or success?

[jagabo]

By the way, you'd get a lot better image quality if you used h.264 instead of MPEG 2.

[Crollo]

Its now the matter of XP outdated zipper not our files...

But there's no good reason to use zip features that aren't supported by XP. You're screwing a large percentage of your downloaders just to save a tiny bit of upload bandwidth.

Windows XP is a decade outdated. If people want to use something so extremely aged, then they're entirely on their own for compatibility.

[jagabo]

Windows XP is a decade outdated. If people want to use something so extremely aged, then they're entirely on their own for compatibility.

XP still has the largest installed user base.

[TreeTops]

But will they be able to use IE9?

[Crollo]

Windows XP is a decade outdated. If people want to use something so extremely aged, then they're entirely on their own for compatibility.

XP still has the largest installed user base.

And more people use DVD players then bluray players. Doesn't mean it's perfectly ok for them to bitch about not being able to play blurays.

If you buy a 8 year old computer, you can't complain about not being able to run Crysis on it either.

[jagabo]

Vista and Win7 aren't required to burn an AVCHD DVD. They aren't required to play an AVCHD disc. They aren't required to play a AVCHD M2TS file. The only thing the OP is doing by using a ZIP format the XP can't handle is limiting his prospective audience. All he has to do to widen his audience is use a ZIP program that creates ZIP files that XP can read natively. Like 7-Zip.

[Crollo]

The only thing the OP is doing by using a ZIP format the XP can't handle is limiting his prospective audience.

XP's built in zip extractor can only handle a maximum of 4GB, this is not a problem with the zip and is entirely exclusive to one piece of software which doesn't even do a good job at it's purpose. To complain about compatibility using it is idiotic, and for you to support it over an actual program that DOES do a decent job at handling archives is concerning as well.

By chance, do you use internet explorer and complain when websites don't display properly?
Or use FAT32 drives and complain that you can't store more then 2 HD movies on it and place fault on the person who made the movie and that they should shrink it to fit on a 4GB drive?

The only thing you're doing by using a decade old operating system which not even microsoft supports, while using the absolute most terrible software available and complaining about compatibility, is making a complete fool of yourself.

[jagabo]

The only thing the OP is doing by using a ZIP format the XP can't handle is limiting his prospective audience.

XP's built in zip extractor can only handle a maximum of 4GB

The OP's ZIP files are less than 4 GB. I used 7-Zip to compress his AVCHD folder structure. XP had no problems extracting that archive.

I run Win7, XP, and a few different Linux distros.

[Crollo]

Either way I don't see why zip would be beneficial as there are so many better archiving programs, but regardless I still stand by my point. You cannot use the absolute worst software in the entire world and then complain and place fault on another when it doesn't work properly. That's just arrogant.

EDIT: Although, apon checking both it appears I was incorrect, neither of the ones you downloaded were meeting 4GB. I guess the extractor really is just that terrible.

[aedipuss]

i used xp for what 10 years and still have it on a couple in house machines. never even knew it had a zip program of it's own?? i've always used winrar or winzip prior to winrar's release(pre-winXP). anyone online more than a month can find winrar, winzip, or 7zip. the issue seems to be a non-starter.

or create self extracting .exe zip files that need no extraction program.

[jagabo]

Either way I don't see why zip would be beneficial as there are so many better archiving programs

It was the OP's choice to use ZIP. The obvious benefit is that all versions of Windows from XP to 7 support it (as well as most other operating systems). Except, of course, he used a ZIP program that creates ZIP files that XP can't decompress. When he just as well could have use a program that creates ZIP files that XP can decompress.

[Crollo]

i used xp for what 10 years and still have it on a couple in house machines. never even knew it had a zip program of it's own??

Sorry I worded that somewhat poorly, it's not truly a 'program' per say, like winrar and 7-zip are, but rather it's just simply an 'extractor-utility', you just right click on any zip file and hit 'extract to...'

[Viacon]

Jagabo, i think your input was very helpful for me as you actually downloaded and tested everything. And i agree also that we need more compatibility here, including XP zipper. The next film to come out will be archived using 7-Zip and thats thanks to you again. I respect your help.

Crollo, you are being too aggressive with my friend here who is trying to help but i understand what you mean too. I choose Jagabo's way though. ))

[Crollo]

Crollo, you are being too aggressive with my friend here

Forgive me, but I just look down poorly apon those who use the worst software they can possibly get their hands on just so they can complain to the talented person\people who busted their ass to make something, when it's their fault for using terrible software to begin with.

If I bust my ass day in and day out to design a website to look as good as I can get it, and some guy using internet explorer 4 wants to complain that I didn't use proper encoding to 'convenience' his browsing experience, then he can enjoy his browsing experience as-is.

Here it isn't as extreme of an example because after all, all that is needed to fix the error is a simple tweak, but otherwise it is seriously infuriating that one can seriously feel they're entitled to complain based on their own faults, and placing the fault on someone else.

This isn't the case with you Jagabo, but I'm still severely annoyed by the notion of you using XP's builtin software and then placing fault on another person. [Easy fix of course, but nonetheless you cannot seriously expect any compatibility whatsoever with that software.]

[budwzr]

But will they be able to use IE9?

Nobody I know uses IE.

A lot of people still use XP because it's stable, or for a netbook, and they don't need all the extra baggage from MS.

[budwzr]

Thanks for the great footage! Got any more?

[lordsmurf]

Our first editing and camera work, failure or success?

It's been done with good lighting, audio seems fine.
It's boring footage to me, but it would probably make money as a loop.
Success.

The only thing you're doing by using a decade old operating system which not even microsoft supports, while using the absolute most terrible software available and complaining about compatibility, is making a complete fool of yourself.

Many videographers are stuck on XP systems because Windows Vista and Windows 7 locked out high-quality legacy hardware and software used for serious video work. Most video-based workstations are still based on Windows XP for that reason. The OS works, and it's fine. If anything, it's the Zip archival system that is outdated, a leftover from the MS-DOS era. It was long ago superseded by the much-better RAR compression system. No amount of tweaking will ever rescue the Zip archive format from it's own fundamental flaws. And apparently, it just adds more as time goes by.

[Viacon]

Thanks for the great footage! Got any more?

Thank you budweizr.
We are working on the underwater project but it's going slow due to the rainy season. We don't want to use any artificial light and filters as the shooting is taking place in shallow waters on a tiny island surrounded by a rich coral ring. We need more sunny days and calm water. The currents make the work harder and the equipment we use is not the best but rather low end type.

The weather forecast is not helping at all, hopefully by the end of June we will have a new film.

It's been done with good lighting, audio seems fine.
It's boring footage to me, but it would probably make money as a loop.
Success.

Thank you Lordsmurf
I wish this could grow into something that pays my bills but i am not a promoter, i have no clue how to sell stuff. )))

[Viacon]

I will post the other video for those who has not seen it, people like this one more: