HDCP strippers

[jagabo]

If anyone is interested, Here's my long battle to get the new SlingBox 500 working with my MacMini Windows 8 Media Center Cable Card DVR system.

http://answers.slingbox.com/message/84344

It wasn't easy! But I don't mind a good tech challenge.

Thanks for that.

[azad]

If anyone is interested, Here's my long battle to get the new SlingBox 500 working with my MacMini Windows 8 Media Center Cable Card DVR system.

http://answers.slingbox.com/message/84344

It wasn't easy! But I don't mind a good tech challenge.

Thanks, that was interesting.
I hope that Sling sort out the HDMI capture stream situation for you.

[jagabo]

If anyone is interested, Here's my long battle to get the new SlingBox 500 working with my MacMini Windows 8 Media Center Cable Card DVR system.

http://answers.slingbox.com/message/84344

It wasn't easy! But I don't mind a good tech challenge.

Regarding your problem with streaming with the Slingbox, I suspect it just can't handle 1080p60 input. Try changing the computer's output to 1080i30 or 720p60, ie, the broadcast standards in the USA.

[Brad]

I guess if we're letting the cat out of the bag I will link to the better deal I found for US residents on the 1x4 splitter:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0089DVCT8/

$35 with no waiting for shipping from China. Free 3-5 day or 2-day Prime shipping fulfilled by Amazon themselves. I've got one coming from Phoenix.

It arrived Tuesday. AZ -> Louisville (UPS's sorting facility) -> Seattle -> Bellingham, WA -> Point Roberts, WA.

Tested it with the BlackMagic HyperDeck Shuttle and my cable provider's On Demand service.

Sure enough, it works. Despite the photo on Amazon, it doesn't have any Cvid branding printed onto the top.

Looks like the seller no longer has any stock in Amazon's fulfillment center, as they're now charging for shipping direct from them.

[jagabo]

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0089DVCT8/

Tested it with the BlackMagic HyperDeck Shuttle and my cable provider's On Demand service... Sure enough, it works.

Thanks for that report. Mine arrived a few days ago. I don't currently have any displays without HDCP but I verified that it works as an HDMI distribution amp, up to to 1080p60 YUV and RGB. I'll have to track down a non-HDCP display...

[toysareforboys]

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Looks SOOOOO much better than HDMI to Component

That's digital cable box -> hdmi -> 1x4 HDMI Splitter -> hdmi -> Black Magic Intensity Pro

Woot.

-Jamie M.

[digitalfreaknyc]

Thanks for letting us know!
So what are the options for (either) internal or external cards that will accept the HDMI?

[jagabo]

So what are the options for (either) internal or external cards that will accept the HDMI?

There aren't very many because most HDMI sources are HDCP protected so few people can use them. A few of Black Magic's Intensity series, the Avermedia HD series, Japanese "MonsterX" series?. I'm sure there are more but many have been discontinued -- probably because of high returns from customers who didn't realize the device wouldn't record their HDCP protected cable box, satellite box, etc.

[digitalfreaknyc]

So what are the options for (either) internal or external cards that will accept the HDMI?

There aren't very many because most HDMI sources are HDCP protected so few people can use them. A few of Black Magic's Intensity series, the Avermedia HD series, Japanese "MonsterX" series?. I'm sure there are more but many have been discontinued -- probably because of high returns from customers who didn't realize the device wouldn't record their HDCP protected cable box, satellite box, etc.

Right but the last few pages have shown us that there are HDCP strippers. I just want to make sure I get one that will record full HD AND full 5.1.

[linuxbox]

i purchased 3 of these units from the ebay seller...shipped right from Chicago. all 3 work perfectly! Can record netflix or VUDU movies straight from any device that supports them...zero lag at all. would HIGHLY recommend this device. 1080P high quality video and sound. absolutely perfect!

[digitalfreaknyc]

what is your input?

[toysareforboys]

Right but the last few pages have shown us that there are HDCP strippers. I just want to make sure I get one that will record full HD AND full 5.1.

My friend is using the AverMedia Gamebroadcaster HD to record 1080p30 and it works flawless. I'll have to ask him if it records 5.1 audio as well.

So using that 1x4 HDMI splitter/decrypter plus that AverMedia card should work really sweet.

-Jamie M.

[digitalfreaknyc]

I've been using the Hauppauge which, as everyone knows, re-enocodes via component. It works great but if I'm able to just do a straight capture, that would obviously be even better.

[linuxbox]

I've had awesome luck using this device:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008ZT8QKO/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

HDMI inputs and the recordings are exactly like the original source. awesome piece of equipment. you can even rent 3d movies on VUDU and record them in 3D! one of my main reasons for purchasing the splitter was so i could rent movies and record them in 1080P at the same time using hardly any CPU resources. this setup lets me do this perfectly and then use Adobe Premiere CS6 to recode down to 720 or whatever i want. using my Nvidia 670 i can re-encode a 2 hour movie in like 30 minutes using GPU acceleration! love it!

[digitalfreaknyc]

I've had awesome luck using this device:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008ZT8QKO/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

HDMI inputs and the recordings are exactly like the original source. awesome piece of equipment. you can even rent 3d movies on VUDU and record them in 3D! one of my main reasons for purchasing the splitter was so i could rent movies and record them in 1080P at the same time using hardly any CPU resources. this setup lets me do this perfectly and then use Adobe Premiere CS6 to recode down to 720 or whatever i want. using my Nvidia 670 i can re-encode a 2 hour movie in like 30 minutes using GPU acceleration! love it!

That re-encodes. This thread is all about NOT re-encoding.

[linuxbox]

I've had awesome luck using this device:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008ZT8QKO/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

HDMI inputs and the recordings are exactly like the original source. awesome piece of equipment. you can even rent 3d movies on VUDU and record them in 3D! one of my main reasons for purchasing the splitter was so i could rent movies and record them in 1080P at the same time using hardly any CPU resources. this setup lets me do this perfectly and then use Adobe Premiere CS6 to recode down to 720 or whatever i want. using my Nvidia 670 i can re-encode a 2 hour movie in like 30 minutes using GPU acceleration! love it!

That re-encodes. This thread is all about NOT re-encoding.

"That" does...narrows it down ehh? Thread has been talking about hardware devices that RE-ENCODE the source usually in H.264. like i said previously, awesome piece of equipment is the Hauppauge and this splitter HDCP stripper!! I have three because i thought so much of them!

[digitalfreaknyc]

I've had awesome luck using this device:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008ZT8QKO/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

HDMI inputs and the recordings are exactly like the original source. awesome piece of equipment. you can even rent 3d movies on VUDU and record them in 3D! one of my main reasons for purchasing the splitter was so i could rent movies and record them in 1080P at the same time using hardly any CPU resources. this setup lets me do this perfectly and then use Adobe Premiere CS6 to recode down to 720 or whatever i want. using my Nvidia 670 i can re-encode a 2 hour movie in like 30 minutes using GPU acceleration! love it!

That re-encodes. This thread is all about NOT re-encoding.

"That" does...narrows it down ehh? Thread has been talking about hardware devices that RE-ENCODE the source usually in H.264. like i said previously, awesome piece of equipment is the Hauppauge and this splitter HDCP stripper!! I have three because i thought so much of them!

The Hauppauges ALL re-encode. If it re-encodes, you don't need the stripper. I've had the Hauppauge for years. No reason for a stripper if it's re-encoding.

[linuxbox]

I've had awesome luck using this device:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008ZT8QKO/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

HDMI inputs and the recordings are exactly like the original source. awesome piece of equipment. you can even rent 3d movies on VUDU and record them in 3D! one of my main reasons for purchasing the splitter was so i could rent movies and record them in 1080P at the same time using hardly any CPU resources. this setup lets me do this perfectly and then use Adobe Premiere CS6 to recode down to 720 or whatever i want. using my Nvidia 670 i can re-encode a 2 hour movie in like 30 minutes using GPU acceleration! love it!

That re-encodes. This thread is all about NOT re-encoding.

"That" does...narrows it down ehh? Thread has been talking about hardware devices that RE-ENCODE the source usually in H.264. like i said previously, awesome piece of equipment is the Hauppauge and this splitter HDCP stripper!! I have three because i thought so much of them!

The Hauppauges ALL re-encode. If it re-encodes, you don't need the stripper. I've had the Hauppauge for years. No reason for a stripper if it's re-encoding.

hmm, guess i was confused. I thought i was reading about stripping HDCP encrypted SOURCE signals that would require stripping of the SOURCE signal that would ALLOW RE-ENCODING.

[digitalfreaknyc]

I've had awesome luck using this device:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008ZT8QKO/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

HDMI inputs and the recordings are exactly like the original source. awesome piece of equipment. you can even rent 3d movies on VUDU and record them in 3D! one of my main reasons for purchasing the splitter was so i could rent movies and record them in 1080P at the same time using hardly any CPU resources. this setup lets me do this perfectly and then use Adobe Premiere CS6 to recode down to 720 or whatever i want. using my Nvidia 670 i can re-encode a 2 hour movie in like 30 minutes using GPU acceleration! love it!

That re-encodes. This thread is all about NOT re-encoding.

"That" does...narrows it down ehh? Thread has been talking about hardware devices that RE-ENCODE the source usually in H.264. like i said previously, awesome piece of equipment is the Hauppauge and this splitter HDCP stripper!! I have three because i thought so much of them!

The Hauppauges ALL re-encode. If it re-encodes, you don't need the stripper. I've had the Hauppauge for years. No reason for a stripper if it's re-encoding.

hmm, guess i was confused. I thought i was reading about stripping HDCP encrypted SOURCE signals that would require stripping of the SOURCE signal that would ALLOW RE-ENCODING.

Clearly you've been struggling over something needlessly. No reason to strip using the hauppauge. Just use component.

[linuxbox]

I've had awesome luck using this device:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008ZT8QKO/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

HDMI inputs and the recordings are exactly like the original source. awesome piece of equipment. you can even rent 3d movies on VUDU and record them in 3D! one of my main reasons for purchasing the splitter was so i could rent movies and record them in 1080P at the same time using hardly any CPU resources. this setup lets me do this perfectly and then use Adobe Premiere CS6 to recode down to 720 or whatever i want. using my Nvidia 670 i can re-encode a 2 hour movie in like 30 minutes using GPU acceleration! love it!

That re-encodes. This thread is all about NOT re-encoding.

"That" does...narrows it down ehh? Thread has been talking about hardware devices that RE-ENCODE the source usually in H.264. like i said previously, awesome piece of equipment is the Hauppauge and this splitter HDCP stripper!! I have three because i thought so much of them!

The Hauppauges ALL re-encode. If it re-encodes, you don't need the stripper. I've had the Hauppauge for years. No reason for a stripper if it's re-encoding.

hmm, guess i was confused. I thought i was reading about stripping HDCP encrypted SOURCE signals that would require stripping of the SOURCE signal that would ALLOW RE-ENCODING.

Clearly you've been struggling over something needlessly. No reason to strip using the hauppauge. Just use component.

Simply don't think you've been listening. Not all devices HAVE component outputs. Also, why would i want to use component when I can get the surround sound signal coming via HDMI instead of using an analog signal? For those wanting a clean HDMI to HDMI splitter getting rid of the HDCP, this device is for you. Awesome device!! Love it!

[digitalfreaknyc]

I've had awesome luck using this device:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008ZT8QKO/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

HDMI inputs and the recordings are exactly like the original source. awesome piece of equipment. you can even rent 3d movies on VUDU and record them in 3D! one of my main reasons for purchasing the splitter was so i could rent movies and record them in 1080P at the same time using hardly any CPU resources. this setup lets me do this perfectly and then use Adobe Premiere CS6 to recode down to 720 or whatever i want. using my Nvidia 670 i can re-encode a 2 hour movie in like 30 minutes using GPU acceleration! love it!

That re-encodes. This thread is all about NOT re-encoding.

"That" does...narrows it down ehh? Thread has been talking about hardware devices that RE-ENCODE the source usually in H.264. like i said previously, awesome piece of equipment is the Hauppauge and this splitter HDCP stripper!! I have three because i thought so much of them!

The Hauppauges ALL re-encode. If it re-encodes, you don't need the stripper. I've had the Hauppauge for years. No reason for a stripper if it's re-encoding.

hmm, guess i was confused. I thought i was reading about stripping HDCP encrypted SOURCE signals that would require stripping of the SOURCE signal that would ALLOW RE-ENCODING.

Clearly you've been struggling over something needlessly. No reason to strip using the hauppauge. Just use component.

Simply don't think you've been listening. Not all devices HAVE component outputs. Also, why would i want to use component when I can get the surround sound signal coming via HDMI instead of using an analog signal? For those wanting a clean HDMI to HDMI splitter getting rid of the HDCP, this device is for you. Awesome device!! Love it!

Again, YOU aren't listening. Hauppauge's have component INPUTS. Therefore, you can record in HD. And the audio is captured digitally so you get 5.1.

Yes, it IS an awesome device. However, EVERYTHING is re-encoded: both audio and video. And you DO NOT need a stripper to use it.

Make sense yet?

[toysareforboys]

Again, YOU aren't listening. Hauppauge's have component INPUTS. Therefore, you can record in HD. And the audio is captured digitally so you get 5.1.

Yes, it IS an awesome device. However, EVERYTHING is re-encoded: both audio and video. And you DO NOT need a stripper to use it.

Make sense yet?

I think what he's saying, is that not all devices don't have component output (i.e. my digital cable box), so some people might be forced to capture HDMI (and need a HDCP stripper to do it).

-Jamie M.

[digitalfreaknyc]

Again, YOU aren't listening. Hauppauge's have component INPUTS. Therefore, you can record in HD. And the audio is captured digitally so you get 5.1.

Yes, it IS an awesome device. However, EVERYTHING is re-encoded: both audio and video. And you DO NOT need a stripper to use it.

Make sense yet?

I think what he's saying, is that not all devices don't have component output (i.e. my digital cable box), so some people might be forced to capture HDMI (and need a HDCP stripper to do it).

-Jamie M.

Really?? What cable boxes don't have component outputs??

[toysareforboys]

Really?? What cable boxes don't have component outputs??

Pretty much any cable box in Canada. I've got Scientific Atlanta 8300HD PVR, 4250HD, a bunch of new cisco boxes. All of them turn off component as soon as you view a high def channel over 480p

-Jamie M.

[digitalfreaknyc]

Really?? What cable boxes don't have component outputs??

Pretty much any cable box in Canada. I've got Scientific Atlanta 8300HD PVR, 4250HD, a bunch of new cisco boxes. All of them turn off component as soon as you view a high def channel over 480p

-Jamie M.

Wow. That must be a cable system issue, not a box issue. We use those same SA's here in NYC and don't have that problem.

[toysareforboys]

Wow. That must be a cable system issue, not a box issue. We use those same SA's here in NYC and don't have that problem.

Serious? I always thought these boxes weren't capable of outputting HD over Component, not that it was a restriction by my cable provider! If I had have been able to record the component I wouldn't have bothered with all of these HDMI to Component and HDMI decrypter devices

-Jamie M.

[digitalfreaknyc]

Wow. That must be a cable system issue, not a box issue. We use those same SA's here in NYC and don't have that problem.

Serious? I always thought these boxes weren't capable of outputting HD over Component, not that it was a restriction by my cable provider! If I had have been able to record the component I wouldn't have bothered with all of these HDMI to Component and HDMI decrypter devices

-Jamie M.

Yup. They're the primary boxes that Time Warner Cable uses. That's got to be a cable issue. I've even captured things from PPV.

[jagabo]

Right but the last few pages have shown us that there are HDCP strippers. I just want to make sure I get one that will record full HD AND full 5.1.

Oh, there's also the Hauppauge HD PVR2. But if you feed it 1080p60 it will record as 1080p30 (every other frame is discarded). Or it can downscale to 720p60.

I'm not aware of any consumer HDMI recorders that can record 1080p60 as 1080p60.

[jagabo]

duplicate post

[Brad]

Digitalfreaknyc: you are always going to have to re-encode when capturing component or HDMI, because unlike Firewire they are only designed for display purposes, not data transfer. The best you can do for HDMI capture is a 100GB/hour lossless video file that is a mathematically perfect recreation of the decompressed input signal -- if your device outpits 4:2:2.

The Hauppauge does not re-encode AC3 audio, by the way. Somewhere they mention that.

And somewhere among my posts are a few 5.1 + HDMI cards I have found online. The Korean ones seem difficult to acquire, unless you buy from Amazon Japan and pay a middleman.