HDCP strippers

[sambir]

Nope no daughter board. The switch is also on the back side where the hdmi ports are. You know what it does not even look like the device on ebay. The text on the box is not even the same. I will send jt back for sure, even though it will cost me 9 euro's shipping fee :[


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[Brad]

Maybe you can post pics of the front/top and back with the cover on cause I'm confused now.

The black piece to the left of the HDMI ports is the power switch and not the DC 5V input?

I would message the seller and see what they have to say if the item doesn't match the photo. I've found Chinese eBay sellers and dropshippers to be ridiculously quick to apologize and offer a full refund no questions asked, apparently from fear of negative feedback.

[sambir]

Not exactly as described...


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[jagabo]

It's definitely different than the devices pictured in the ebay listing. The 5V input is at the opposite end of the HDMI ports and the order of the HDMI ports is different. The spacing, order, and number of the LEDs is different too. The power switch is a toggle switch, not a push button. Even the silk screen is different (missing the "3D").

[Seeker47]

the 1x4 splitter we've recommended has the DC 5V input on the right, while yours has it on the left. The image in the eBay listing shows it on the right, so I guess you could claim "not as described" right there...

Is there a daughter board up front on yours for the LEDs and push button?


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I think there may have been a couple different iterations of the ones that did work ? (Different markings externally, or slightly different designs ?)
But this one is clearly more different from those. Didn't we have some reports here that the View-HD (and possibly CVID-BG) ones had become either very scarce or no longer available ?

At the moment, your link for the prior, known-to-work model is showing on Amazon as having just 10 units in stock . . . .

[sambir]

In sent the device back to london.

But received the following item today. And i can confirm that it is stripping hdcp!!!! It works!!!! But i had to change the resolution to 1080i. When at 720p 60 the stripper makes the fps 59.99 and this causes the encoder to lag and make the screen jumpy. Also the output fps will them be 120... So i changed jt to 1080i. Hope the seller from london will send the correct splitter so i can use that. But for now it works.

What i did:

Box to stripper. Stripper to splitter 1 in 2 out. 1 output to tv second to encoder. On both there is a picture.




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[Seeker47]

In sent the device back to london.

But received the following item today. And i can confirm that it is stripping hdcp!!!! It works!!!! But i had to change the resolution to 1080i. When at 720p 60 the stripper makes the fps 59.99 and this causes the encoder to lag and make the screen jumpy. Also the output fps will them be 120... So i changed jt to 1080i. Hope the seller from london will send the correct splitter so i can use that. But for now it works.

What i did:

Box to stripper. Stripper to splitter 1 in 2 out. 1 output to tv second to encoder. On both there is a picture.

This may be for sale in the Eurozone only (?), and I know you have some weird connectors over there that we never see (SCART), but to maximize the value of a post like this -- whether the item works or does not work -- it would be most useful if you included URL(s) for where you ordered it from.

[sambir]

No scart over here (hate it). Post #376 you can see were i ordered it. I also ordered some other devices from ebay of which its also claimed that it strips hdcp. I will test them and report the results over here. But i can strongly conclude that this hdmi to hdmi works. Just one downfall (before you all start ordering it) It does some changes to the refresh rate. My tv does some tricks i guess to make it work, but the encoder recognizes it as 720p 59.9 instead of just 60. Even if i change it to 1080i50. The funny thing is that it is actually 1080i50, because the tv shows it.

Normally i always use 720p60 because the picture then will be sent deinterlaced. But now i have to send it at 1080i50 to the encoder and downscale it to 720p25. Thats 35 fps less and makes the screen a bit more choppy when broadcasting sports...

Lets hope the 1 in 4 out splitter i will receive as replacement will be able to split like the ones reported here.


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[jagabo]

I don't know what the deal is with your device, but it's called "60" Hz for brevity. The standard TV refresh rate is really 59.94 (60000/1001) Hz in NTSC countries. You should be able to set your source to 1280x720p60 (really 1280x720p59.94) and capture it normally.

[Seeker47]

I don't know what the deal is with your device, but it's called "60" Hz for brevity. The standard TV refresh rate is really 59.94 (60000/1001) Hz in NTSC countries. You should be able to set your source to 1280x720p60 (really 1280x720p59.94) and capture it normally.

That's one really great thing about a forum like VH: we have members here who can fill in these tech details for all of us non-techies.

[sambir]

I don't know what the deal is with your device, but it's called "60" Hz for brevity. The standard TV refresh rate is really 59.94 (60000/1001) Hz in NTSC countries. You should be able to set your source to 1280x720p60 (really 1280x720p59.94) and capture it normally.

Maybe its called hz when broadcasting but when encoding, so when the device encodes the input it does it frame by frame. When the input is 60 hz then it will do it @ 60 fps.


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[Brad]

The point is that the output of cable boxes, game consoles, etc. is actually 59.94 and 29.97 rather than their integer counterparts.

[jagabo]

Yes, it would be very odd for any consumer video device to output true 60 Hz. And even odder for an HDMI to HDMI adapter to output 60 Hz given a 59.94 Hz input. On the other hand, depending on the software, you can capture any video source at whatever frame rate you want. You just get duplicate or dropped frames if the capture frame rate doesn't match the source frame rate.

[sambir]

Well if i connect a unprotected hdmi source to my encoder it detect 720p60 input. However if i connect this device inbetween it detects 720p59. Even if the real input is actually 1080i50.

By the way. Today i received this switch from ebay and tested it.



Result: it does strip!! But it has also problems (maybe its related to my box) on one port i have no sound... But when playing around with the switches (see inside...you will see three switches) i got sound on botj sides but then the screen would go black instantly and wouldnt come on anymore... Strange device but seems to do some sort of stripping.. Could be my box which is causing issues.. My just work fine with ps3...

Nice part was that my encoder detected the correct input resolution (not 720p59)

Link to product:
http://bit.ly/19xSTWr

[Seeker47]

Did not want to start a separate thread for this minor and oblique question.

Are there any adapters, converters, or black box gizmos (like those covered in this thread) that input Firewire and output HDMI ? If there are, and HDCP remains an issue, HDCP stripping along the way would be a major plus.

[jagabo]

Just to confirm others' observations: I bought the CVID BG-520 1x2 HDMI splitter and it successfully removes HDCP. Just like it's 1x4 big brother I purchased before.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0089DSLMY/

The listing now shows "Ships from and sold by Amazon.com" but when I bought it the seller was Great Elect.

[Brad]

Naked pics of it please!

Are you able to capture 480p okay?

[jagabo]

It looks exactly like the pictures at amazon except it doesn't have the CVID logo or the model number printed on the top, just the "1x2 HDMI Splitter" Pictures from Amazon:




I'll see if I can capture 480p with it later. I've only tried 1080p60, 1080i30, and 720p60 so far.

[jagabo]

I've verified the CVID BG-520 strips HDCP from a 480p60 source. I used an old upscaling DVD player as the source. Without the BG-520 the capture software (Elgato Game Capture HD) showed no picture and gave an HDCP error message. With the BG-520 it captured the 480p60 output without problem. I was also able to capture 720p60, 1080i30, and 1080p60 from the same DVD player. The player doesn't have settings for 480p30 or 480p24.

[danblake]

Jagabo, In post #409 you said you captured in 1080p60. What capture device are you using? I'm not finding any devices in my price range (up to $300) that capture at 1080p60. Many of the ones I have looked at passthrough 1080p60 but capture at 1080p30. I am now waiting for the AVerMedia ExtremeCap U3 specs to be released. I want to find out what audio it captures. Seeing as nothing mentions audio yet I expect to be disappointed with 2ch and not multichannel. I really hope I'm wrong!

I am still looking for an HDMI capture device that handles 5.1 audio and I could probably live with 720p60 video. It looks like manufactures are starting to make USB 3 based capture devices so I will probably wait a little while and see what gets released.

This has been a very useful thread.
Thanks everyone for the updated information.

Jagabo,

Thanks for explaining how the capturing tests were done.

[jagabo]

Jagabo, In post #409 you said you captured in 1080p60. What capture device are you using?

I was capturing 1080p60 output from the DVD player -- but it was captured by the Elgato Game Capture HD as a 1080p30 video.

[Brad]

I said naked pics!

Mine that looks the same as what you describe on the outside, ordered at the end of 2010, does not strip HDCP. Yours is different and supports 3D.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1315847/cheapo-active-hdmi-1x2-splitter-my-review

Can you try 480i30 as well if it's not too much trouble?

[jagabo]

Oh, I thought "naked" meant you couldn't see the Amazon page for some reason and wanted just the pictures uploaded here. I'll see if I can take it apart later.

OK, here's a picture of the inside. It's different than yours:

[Seeker47]

Jagabo, In post #409 you said you captured in 1080p60. What capture device are you using?

I was capturing 1080p60 output from the DVD player -- but it was captured by the Elgato Game Capture HD as a 1080p30 video.

I'm still looking to sort out what is the "best" (all around) capture option for the HD recording solution to place after the HDCP stripper / splitter. It seems you decided in favor of the Elegato one, while there is at least one model from Avermedia, one from Diamond and Asus, and possibly others. There are different plus and minus factors, no doubt, including resolution, recording format, what is done about the sound, durability and overheating, ease of use that may be affected by things like device-turn-On-order, and so forth. I'm thinking that none of these is complete, but rather needs some additional hardware, much as you need to add a portable HDD to the WD Live for playback, in order to complete its functionality. (I'm thinking more in terms of the external, "standalone" solutions -- otherwise we'd be talking about HTPCs equipped with a particular capture card.) It might be handy if some credible source had put out a comparative review for this gear category, enumerating the main pros & cons with recommendations.

[Brad]

Thanks for the photo, jagabo.

The basic layout of your Cvid BG-520 board matches the ViewHD VHD-1X2MN3D and the two main chips appear to be the same. Third one is smaller on yours, and there are a bunch of little changes. The ViewHD is labelled as being an older Revision.

[chupaka]

Hi

New to this forum but have followed this thread with great interest after I bought my Elgato Game capture HD. After some reading here I decided to go for ViewHD HDMI splitter which I bought from Ebay seller U9LTD
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ViewHD-1x2-HDMI-Splitter-v1-3b-One-Input-to-Two-Output-/270641...item3f0378859d


The splitter arrived very quickly ( US to Sweden ) and I can confirm also that the ViewHD filters the digital HD content infected with HDCP garbage noise to an clean an enjoyable video signal to my Elgato and HD TV )


Sources I'm using are : HD Cable TV , Apple TV 2 and LG BD 390 Bluray Player.


The recordings are good without lipsync issues or any other video artifacts which is great. I'm using 720P the most of the time for my recordings and then processing the recorded video with Turbo.264HD software to reduce the video file size without quality loss.


Thank you guys for this very informative thread which helped me a lot

[Karyudo]

Bought two "used" CVID BG-520 splitters from Amazon.com on November 4. Both look identical (although I haven't opened either of the cases and taken a look inside). Tested them today, and and both successfully strip the HDCP. Nice!

(Also, has it really been almost 8 years since my last post here?? Wow.)

[PartingShot]

Bought two "used" CVID BG-520 splitters from Amazon.com on November 4. Both look identical (although I haven't opened either of the cases and taken a look inside). Tested them today, and and both successfully strip the HDCP. Nice!

(Also, has it really been almost 8 years since my last post here?? Wow.)

Holy cow, welcome back
What have you been doing all these years???

[Karyudo]

Oh, some of this; some of that. I've capped LDs with AC3 audio (before the Colossus was available, although I checked that it works with the Colossus, too), captured VHS from a D-VHS player, captured Video8 from a Hi-8 deck, set up a two-Colossus HD-capturing system under NextPVR as a TV backend for XBMC -- y'know, the usual.

[TheOneAndOnly]

Bought two "used" CVID BG-520 splitters from Amazon.com on November 4. Both look identical (although I haven't opened either of the cases and taken a look inside). Tested them today, and and both successfully strip the HDCP. Nice!

(Also, has it really been almost 8 years since my last post here?? Wow.)

Thank you for your update. I purchased CVID BG-520 on the 13th from Amazon.com and just got it 15th and works great so far.

I have an older wireless HDMI setup that does not support HDCP. Problem is now solved.