HDCP strippers

[asprinwizard]

Hi again,

Has anyone had experience with this: http://www.amazon.com/ViewHD-Premium-Matrix-Digital-Surround/dp/B0031SWDKI

Does it strip HDCP? Because if so that would be perfect for me.

[Brad]

This similar model does not: http://m.aliexpress.com/item-desc/758285698.html

Maybe this "2013" ViewHD with 3D support does. The remote certainly looks different.

[asprinwizard]

Ok thanks. I think I'll give it a wide birth to be on the safe side as shipping/return costs would mount up from the UK.

Is there a splitter which removes HDCP and has multiple outputs? I asked previously but no response. If not I guess I'll stock up on View HD 1x2s but would be good to reduce space and wiring.

Also as these devices all use 5V, is there a usb type multiplug which could be used to power multiples of these devices from one plug?

[wet bimbette]

Here is another one

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Maxx-Digital-HDMI-Port-Splitter-Hub-Switch-1080p-3D-HD-Ampli...ht_2413wt_1399

[Brad]

Is there a splitter which removes HDCP and has multiple outputs? I asked previously but no response. If not I guess I'll stock up on View HD 1x2s but would be good to reduce space and wiring.

Obviously you meant inputs since we have 1x2 and 1x4. I assume you know the other solution of a 4x1 switch (or AV receiver) outputted to one 1x2.

Also as these devices all use 5V, is there a usb type multiplug which could be used to power multiples of these devices from one plug?

Haven't a clue. If you find one cheap I can test.

[oldfart13]

Very interesting discussion. Thank you. Looks like I need to upgrade the Hauppage to the Gamer Edition and get a 2 or 4 output splitter. Luckily, this is within my budget...

[Seeker47]

Here is another one

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Maxx-Digital-HDMI-Port-Splitter-Hub-Switch-1080p-3D-HD-Ampli...ht_2413wt_1399

I'm guessing maybe unlikely re HDCP removal for this one. It is being presented for the U.K. market. Aren't the EU countries more aggressive than the U.S., when it comes to squelching anti-CP solutions ? And even in the U.S. it seems like the CBIG or TomTop ones were available here because they were flying under the radar, something the ViewHD units were able to do for awhile, but maybe no longer ? I think the only ones that came out and explicitly told you "We Remove HDCP" were the HD Fury and the Moone, both pricey and which had to be ordered directly from the mfr. abroad. Otherwise, it's been dropping hints and word of mouth.

[oldfart13]

The question was asked in another forum about other copy protection systems other than HDCP and if they are affecting recordings? Also, anyone actually using these on US cable/satellite? I see a lot of UK users here.

[Brad]

No other copy protection could affect it since HDMI currently only supports HDCP.

[oldfart13]

I posed that question on AVS forum and got an answer that other systems "could" be used but have not been implemented. Moot for now.

One other thing, the audio is down mixed from HDMI surround to stereo with the Gamer Edition or is it retained? And, is the video being converted "on the fly" to analog MP4 the same as the HDPVR 1212? It's getting confusing. Still, might be good to future proof equipment when the component cable output equipment disappears soon.

[Seeker47]

Still, might be good to future proof equipment when the component cable output equipment disappears soon.

Are you referring to the set-top boxes (receivers, whether Sat or Cable), or _____ ? The current gen of Tivo did away with some previous connector types some time ago, including S-Video. Not sure if they ever had component, though they still have ethernet which can still be used for their Tivo-2-Go transfers. Time Warner may have been deleting some connection options -- I'm not familiar with the boxes they are using these days, having left them as a service provider over three years ago. (They did previously use different receiver makes and models in different territories, also.) My prior gen of DirecTV receivers croaked, and I have now replaced them with current models -- direct successors to those I had before and not the top-of-the-line (until the HR-44 finally debuts), whole-home Genie. These replacement receivers still have S-Video and Component Out options. I would not want anything that lacked them.

If you are referring to HDCP convert / strip devices, there have been some reports of at least one of these becoming hard to find. However, I think you can still find HDMI-to-Component devices like those I purchased awhile back, which should also remove HDCP, and I think you may continue to be able to get them for some time yet, barring a major new crackdown of course. Even if that occurs, the HD-Fury and the Moone show no signs of going anywhere. The all-HDMI splitters that remove HDCP could stick around too, even if it comes to pass that you would need to purchase them from abroad.

[oldfart13]

No, I had read that manufacturers of new equipment had wanted to do away with component outputs on their consumer equipment starting in 2014. That may have started early with Blu Ray players as none of the ones I've seen currently in stores have component outputs.

I have had to revise what I am looking for in capture equipment. I'll need the HDPVR2 or HDPVRplus Gamer Edition to do what I want. I'm leaning toward the former unit rather than the latter. I'd probably opt for a Colossus card if I had a desktop i7 PC as you can record at up to 20 Mbps vs. the 13.5 Mbps with the other models. If they would revise these to using USB 3.0 I'm sure they would be capable of even higher bit rates but the manufacturers have decided not to do so at present.

I opted out for the ViewHD 1X2 HDMI splitter. Hopefully this works for me. I would also like to try to upconvert VHS tape output looped through my Pioneer DVD recorder since it has good up conversion and record that HDMI output to the HDPVR2 to see how that looks. Anyone tried to do something like this or output a DVHS with up conversion ability to the HDMI input? Results?

[jagabo]

No, I had read that manufacturers of new equipment had wanted to do away with component outputs on their consumer equipment starting in 2014.

Yes, many devices are dropping component outputs.

That may have started early with Blu Ray players as none of the ones I've seen currently in stores have component outputs.

The AACS license needed to decrypt Blu-ray discs required downgrading analog output to SD in 2010, and the removal of all analog outputs by the end 2013.

If they would revise these to using USB 3.0 I'm sure they would be capable of even higher bit rates

USB 3.0 is not required. Real world throughput of USB 2.0 maxes out around 250 Mb/s. There are already USB 2.0 capture devices that support 30 Mb/s and 60 Mb/s. Elgato Game Capture HD, and Avermedia C875 Live Gamer Portable HD, for example.

Hollywood's insistence on the elimination of analog HD is backfiring on them. Now that HDCP is easily bypassed* pirates are getting better quality recordings than they would have with analog captures! I imagine they'll be pressing for a new connector with another encryption scheme soon.

* Since the HDCP master key was leaked anyone can manufacture HDCP decrypters now because they can generate their own client keys.

[Seeker47]

Hollywood's insistence on the elimination of analog HD is backfiring on them. Now that HDCP is easily bypassed* pirates are getting better quality recordings than they would have with analog captures! I imagine they'll be pressing for a new connector with another encryption scheme soon.

* Since the HDCP master key was leaked anyone can manufacture HDCP decrypters now because they can generate their own client keys.

I'm not even sure how much has really been changed by this. For Joe or Jane Consumer with some possible interest in DIY options, perhaps. But anyone even marginally aware of "The Scene" (e.g. -- http://www.scnsrc.me/ and at least a hundred others like this that I know of, which must be just the tip of the iceberg, worldwide) there has been a fairly prompt availability of almost anything you might be looking for, frequently in 720p or even 1080p versions. And this goes back several years at this point, not a recent development at all. You don't even need to go anywhere near P2P (which has drawn a lot of attention, and which traffic is being monitored by ISPs and others), in order to find it. For the busy or the lazy, this is often much easier than bothering to do it yourself with one of these HDCP black boxes. So, I'm not exactly sure how the legions of uploaders had been doing it, but nothing technical had really been impeding them. The differences of SD vs. HD were mainly those of file size and bandwidth. What was more likely to slow them down ? Adverse policy changes at Rapidshare and Filesonic, the loss of Oron, MegaUpload and others.

[oldfart13]

Off topic here but nothing I intend to cap is available online. I'm not muchly interested in series I already have on my PVR or I bought the DVD box sets of. Movies that have no DVD or MOD release are mainly what I'm after. As to how the other stuff gets uploaded...picking off the feeds on such places as the CN Tower in Toronto is pretty easy since the signal is excellent and you only need OTA equipment. That signal isn't encrypted. Or are people not noticing the Maple Leaf symbol in the upper corner of the caps?

[Brad]

Lately certain groups have been using internal pre-air sources, disguising them as Canadian broadcasts, encoding them weeks in advance (x264 metadata), and releasing them at the same time as the show finishes airing.

Occasionally they will release them without any logos, release versions with scenes that never aired on TV, etc.

[Brad]

For the price in that eBay listing you could afford to buy three 1x2 splitters and bring two of them to the recyclers.

With DVI+SPDIF to HDMI you:

• are limited to 2-channel PCM or 5.1-channel compressed
• need a device that outputs Toslink
• have to run an additional cable

Meanwhile, I bought one before with model number HDCDVI0101 that does not strip HDCP.

[vin97]

DVI(-D) supports HDCP, too.
If there are adapters (HDMI to DVI) that strip HDCP, they are just exceptions, much like the ViewHD splitter.

And please stop pretending as if the splitter would catch fire after a day.

For the price in that eBay listing you could afford to buy three 1x2 splitters and bring two of them to the recyclers.

Good point.

[Woonul]

Hi folks, lots of good information in this thread. I've had a Hauppauge HD PVR (1212) for several years now, but I'm looking to replace this with a better HDMI capturing solution. I've had a lot of annoying issues with the HD PVR 1212 randomly cutting out during my DirecTV recordings for 2-3 seconds at a time for no reason, and it would always cut out if I turned the TV on while recording... so I'd rather stay away from other Hauppauge products if possible (i.e. the HD PVR 2 (1512) or the Gaming Plus edition unless these issues have been resolved.)

I'd also like to get a device that records via HDMI at bitrates greater than 13.5 Mbps (Hauppauge products limitation), but I also would really like to have the ability to record 5.1 AC3 audio. I've read this entire thread and saw where the Elgato Game Capture HD can record h264 up to 30 Mbps, but it doesn't support 5.1 audio, and the AVerMedia - C875 can record h264 up to 60 Mbps, but once again doesn't seem to support 5.1 audio. Is there a good, reliable HDMI capturing device out there that supports decently high bitrates as well as 5.1 audio either via HDMI or SPDIF?

Any help would be appreciated. I have an Amazon Prime account, so it would be great if such a product was available from there. Also, is that 1x2 HDCP stripper/splitter available from Amazon, or just the 1x4 HDCP stripper/splitter?

[digitalfreaknyc]

Hi folks, lots of good information in this thread. I've had a Hauppauge HD PVR (1212) for several years now, but I'm looking to replace this with a better HDMI capturing solution. I've had a lot of annoying issues with the HD PVR 1212 randomly cutting out during my DirecTV recordings for 2-3 seconds at a time for no reason, and it would always cut out if I turned the TV on while recording... so I'd rather stay away from other Hauppauge products if possible (i.e. the HD PVR 2 (1512) or the Gaming Plus edition unless these issues have been resolved.)

I'd also like to get a device that records via HDMI at bitrates greater than 13.5 Mbps (Hauppauge products limitation), but I also would really like to have the ability to record 5.1 AC3 audio. I've read this entire thread and saw where the Elgato Game Capture HD can record h264 up to 30 Mbps, but it doesn't support 5.1 audio, and the AVerMedia - C875 can record h264 up to 60 Mbps, but once again doesn't seem to support 5.1 audio. Is there a good, reliable HDMI capturing device out there that supports decently high bitrates as well as 5.1 audio either via HDMI or SPDIF?

Any help would be appreciated. I have an Amazon Prime account, so it would be great if such a product was available from there. Also, is that 1x2 HDCP stripper/splitter available from Amazon, or just the 1x4 HDCP stripper/splitter?

Nope. You're stuck with Hauppauge if you want 5.1. You could try the Colossus, which can go up to 20 but it's internal. You could always try the newer 1512 version and see if that helps you out, though you're still limited to 13. I've personally never had any problems with mine and love it. I'll keep it until another solution comes along.

[Seeker47]

Hi folks, lots of good information in this thread. I've had a Hauppauge HD PVR (1212) for several years now, but I'm looking to replace this with a better HDMI capturing solution. I've had a lot of annoying issues with the HD PVR 1212 randomly cutting out during my DirecTV recordings for 2-3 seconds at a time for no reason, and it would always cut out if I turned the TV on while recording... so I'd rather stay away from other Hauppauge products if possible (i.e. the HD PVR 2 (1512) or the Gaming Plus edition unless these issues have been resolved.)

I don't as yet have any of these products, but just a thought: are there any firmware updates to keep up with, that might be relevant here ?

[Woonul]

Nope. You're stuck with Hauppauge if you want 5.1. You could try the Colossus, which can go up to 20 but it's internal. You could always try the newer 1512 version and see if that helps you out, though you're still limited to 13. I've personally never had any problems with mine and love it. I'll keep it until another solution comes along.

I see, thanks for the reply. I was just looking into the Colossus and thinking it would be worth a shot until I saw it's limited to 1080i instead of 1080p. I have some things I'd like to do 1080p captures of from HDMI sources, so it looks like my best bet right now would be the HD PVR 2. I just wonder if there will even be much of a noticeable difference between 1080i via component at 13.5 Mbps and 1080i via HDMI at 13.5 Mbps for it to be worth my time and money to switch.

EDIT:

I don't as yet have any of these products, but just a thought: are there any firmware updates to keep up with, that might be relevant here ?

I've tried all firmwares. I even returned my first device years ago and got another one. I have since moved and still have the same issue at my new home. It doesn't matter what the source is (i.e. DTV receiver, PS3, XBOX 360, Wii, etc.) it randomly has this issue for me for whatever reason. I even tried it on 3 different PCs to make sure it wasn't some kind of a strange conflict problem.

EDIT 2:

So I'm about to start making some purchases from Amazon (I'm thinking about trying the Colossus even though it can't do 1080p, I guess I can live with that considering the extra 6.5 Mbps boost I'd be getting with 720p and 1080i). Can someone that knows for sure please let me know asap if one of the 1x2 splitters being sold on Amazon strips HDCP? Several people have linked to the 1x4 splitter on Amazon saying it strips HDCP, but I've only seen eBay links for the 1x2 splitter/stripper.

[Steve(MS)]

According to one of vaporeon800 replies in this thread, yes.

[Woonul]

Aha, I went back through the last several pages and found it. Thanks Steve(MS).

[dpeddicord]

This one is the holy grail of HDCP strippers for me, since I consider a powered splitter to be a requirement in any HDMI capture setup anyway and I want the smallest one possible.

Purchased from the above Amazon.com link on 4/16 for $25.90 with shipping to Canada. Shipped from 95763 on 4/17 and it arrived 5/08 (the tracking claims that it took 7 business days to get from LA to customs). It works as expected.

The photos are accurate (unlike the CVID, they did bother to add their logo onto it). Though the power adapter I happened to get is better than that (horizontally-oriented so it doesn't cover another outlet). The LED colors are all red. While the listing says "HDMI 1.3 + HDCP1.0/1.1/1.2", the circuit board says "HDMI 1.4 1to2 with 3D".


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I've been reading this great thread about HDCP strippers and ordered this little HDMI splitter from Amazon. I needed to be able to use a DVD/Blu-Ray with a Blackmagic Design Television Studio. This thing works! I've attached a photo of a Blu-Ray playing Zorro. No problems! Thanks for the tip!

[DARR-of_the-DEAD]

glad to see you got it to work but i wanted to share too..
just to start i didn't read through all 11 pages of this thread, but i just want to say i use one for hd pvr 2 with my ps3 so i could record via hdmi.
first here is the equipment need:
i ordered everything from monoprice.com
here is a video on my set up : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adxWdkdTlr0
its kinda of half fast. sry

[toysareforboys]

i use one for hd pvr 2 with my ps3 so i could record via hdmi.

No sample footage on your youtube page??

-Jamie M.

[DARR-of_the-DEAD]

sry nothing on my YT i've been doing live streams.
here is one of my older recording with tomb raider.
sample video HDCP bypass Tomb Raider 240p 360p or 720p: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8NBt7i3Nz0&feature=youtu.be
warning: i didn't have my bit-rate set-up right so there might be alittle lighting flicker and pixelization in the video . but its ok.

i've been playing on my pc lately and i didn't feel like digging through my videos.
but im going to start do more uploads to YT of game plays as that is why i got everything.

[toysareforboys]

sry nothing on my YT i've been doing live streams.
here is one of my older recording with tomb raider.
sample video HDCP bypass Tomb Raider 240p 360p or 720p: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8NBt7i3Nz0&feature=youtu.be

Looks great, thanks for the vid

-Jamie M.

[DARR-of_the-DEAD]

thanks/ anytime
got more question message me i think is thread is about done.