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    Hi I was wondering if somebody could help me.
    I have two versions of the same film, one with good video, one with good audio.
    MediaInfo tells me they're both 25 fps. Yet, it seems as though the audio tracks' frame rates are different, as when I muxed the video from one to the audio from the other, the audio begins in sync, then steadily gets worse, as one would expect when the frame rates are not the same.
    Can anyone help explain this, and help me combine the video and audio tracks with them in sync?
    Below are the details from MediaInfo for the two files.

    I want to use the video if the below file, which has great video but the audio track has a Russian interpreter dubbed over the original Italian AC3 track, so it's useless.
    So I want the video from this:

    General
    Complete name : C:\Users\Simon\Downloads\Baaria.2009.PL.480p.BRRiP .XViD-PSiG\psig-baaria.2009.pl.480p.brrip.xvid.avi
    Format : AVI
    Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
    Format profile : OpenDML
    File size : 2.10 GiB
    Duration : 2h 24mn
    Overall bit rate : 2 080 Kbps
    Writing application : VirtualDubMod 1.5.10.2 (build 2540/release)
    Writing library : VirtualDubMod build 2540/release

    Video
    ID : 0
    Format : MPEG-4 Visual
    Format profile : Advanced Simple@L5
    Format settings, BVOP : Yes
    Format settings, QPel : No
    Format settings, GMC : No warppoints
    Format settings, Matrix : Default (MPEG)
    Codec ID : XVID
    Codec ID/Hint : XviD
    Duration : 2h 24mn
    Bit rate : 1 619 Kbps
    Width : 720 pixels
    Height : 304 pixels
    Display aspect ratio : 2.35:1
    Frame rate : 25.000 fps
    Original frame rate : 23.976 fps
    Color space : YUV
    Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
    Bit depth : 8 bits
    Scan type : Progressive
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.296
    Stream size : 1.64 GiB (78%)
    Writing library : XviD 1.2.1 (UTC 2008-12-04)

    Audio
    ID : 1
    Format : AC-3
    Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
    Mode extension : CM (complete main)
    Codec ID : 2000
    Duration : 2h 24mn
    Bit rate mode : Constant
    Bit rate : 448 Kbps
    Channel(s) : 6 channels
    Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
    Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
    Bit depth : 16 bits
    Video delay : 416ms
    Stream size : 463 MiB (22%)
    Alignment : Split accross interleaves
    Interleave, duration : 40 ms (1.00 video frame)
    Interleave, preload duration : 500 ms

    ... and combine it with the audio from this file(using mkvmerge - if anyone can offer a better solution I'm all ears and grateful):


    General
    Complete name : C:\Users\Simon\Downloads\Baaria.2009.PL.480p.BRRiP .XViD-PSiG\Baaria(2009).mkv
    Format : Matroska
    File size : 1.36 GiB
    Duration : 2h 34mn
    Overall bit rate : 1 268 Kbps
    Encoded date : UTC 2010-07-18 01:47:38
    Writing application : mkvmerge v4.0.0 ('The Stars were mine') gemaakt op Jun 5 2010 17:44:09
    Writing library : libebml v1.0.0 + libmatroska v1.0.0

    Video
    ID : 1
    Format : AVC
    Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
    Format profile : Main@L5.1
    Format settings, CABAC : Yes
    Format settings, ReFrames : 3 frames
    Muxing mode : Container profile=Unknown@5.1
    Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
    Duration : 2h 34mn
    Bit rate : 818 Kbps
    Width : 720 pixels
    Height : 304 pixels
    Display aspect ratio : 2.35:1
    Frame rate : 25.000 fps
    Color space : YUV
    Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
    Bit depth : 8 bits
    Scan type : Progressive
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.149
    Stream size : 875 MiB (63%)
    Writing library : x264 core 80 r1376M 3feaec2
    Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=3 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x1:0 / me=hex / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.0:0.0 / mixed_ref=0 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=0 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=0 / threads=6 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=0 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / wpredb=1 / wpredp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=2pass / mbtree=1 / bitrate=818 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
    Language : English

    Audio
    ID : 2
    Format : AC-3
    Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
    Mode extension : CM (complete main)
    Codec ID : A_AC3
    Duration : 2h 34mn
    Bit rate mode : Constant
    Bit rate : 448 Kbps
    Channel(s) : 6 channels
    Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
    Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
    Bit depth : 16 bits
    Stream size : 494 MiB (35%)

    Text
    ID : 3
    Format : UTF-8
    Codec ID : S_TEXT/UTF8
    Codec ID/Info : UTF-8 Plain Text
    Language : English

    So - if anyone can help, I really would be most grateful.
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  2. lengths don't match 2h24 vs 2h34

    154 min vs. 144 min isn't the same ratio as 25 / 23.976 so they could be different cuts, different theatrical releases, etc..
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    Oh - I was wondering about that, too - but wasn't sure how to calculate whether it was a frame rate issue.
    Darn - they may well simply be different cuts. Though I was sure there was only one.
    Thanks for you response, poisiondeathray.
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  4. Do you understand what I'm saying? If it was a simple PAL<=>NTSC issue, the difference multiple would be ~1.0427 (Pal framerates are 25, Film framerate is 23.976 ) . The Pal version should be shorter in duration because it runs 25fps .

    If it was that simple issue, then you could speed up or slowdown either the audio or video to match. This is very common and easy to fix. Programs even have presets to do this sort of thing

    You probably have extra stuff in one , like more credits or extra scene

    The only way to know is to line them up in an editor and compare , trim out the extra stuff

    Probably be easier to rip the original source.
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    I understand exactly what you're saying.
    Thank you.
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