Need help with Hauppauge HD PVR + Xbox 360

[epikool]

Hi guys, for the most part I know how to set everything up, but I think my setup may be the problem.

I currently have it set up as so. Xbox 360 > HD PVR > Component to HDMI converter > HDMI to DVI Cable. I read that the latter works minus the HDMI to DVI cable, replacing this with a standard HDMI cable. However, my monitor does not have a HDMI port. It only has VGA and DVI. So this is where the problem lays. I get sound (being that it is connected separately through surround sound), but I get no video. My monitor doesn't even recognize that anything is connected.

Please help. Am I a lost cause? Or is there a way of getting around this?

Thanks in advance

[yoda313]

I think you need to simplify.

For me I have run the component out from the 360 to the hdpvr. Than I can watch the 360 on the computer using my regular hdmi out to my tv. This is just fine for dubbing movies and the like. For gameplay not so much.

You need to use the component output from the hdpvr in order to play the 360 without lag. That would get routed to the tv or monitor to the component input.

When you say you have no video, no video on what? Do you get it while using the arcsoft capture module on your computer?

[epikool]

I actually didn't try it through the software, but there is no video on my monitor. I will try when I get home. I'm thinking bout just saying F it and buy a HDTV lol.

[yoda313]

Does your monitor have a component input? If so just feed it through that and you can use the passthrough from the hdpvr.

But you should be seeing it in the arcsoft capture software assuming you have the component cables and the fiber optic cable connected properly. - and the component cable should be set to hdtv on the slider switch. Also if you have the xbox 360 set to 1080p the hd pvr can't use that. It has to be set to 1080i or lower to be used on the hdpvr at all - personally I use 720p and its just fine.

Note the passthrough would only work on your monitor if it can work like a tv in the sense you switch to the component input and watch the live feed. Otherwise if you watch on the computer through the software there will be some lag.

[epikool]

Lol, if I had component inputs on my monitor, I would have no need for the extra converter and HDMI to DVI cable. So, no, my monitor only has a DVI and VGA. I will give more detail once I get off work. Thanks by the way for your help yoda

[yoda313]

Glad to help.

Let us know more as you do more testing.

Also note that the smaller hdtvs are really inexpensive these days. Simple ones in the 20" range should be very affordable. You could look into those if you really do want to go that route.

[Denko]

Hey, im kinda having the same issue, just that i use Component cables from my xbox to my HdPvr and then component cables from HDPvr to my HD Tv, but it dosnt work
On my cable there is a switch, to switch from Standar to High Def
But when i use the standard it works, but when i switch to HD, it dont work
I dont know what to do, is there a way to fix it?

[yoda313]

Double check to make sure you aren't on 1080p. Switch to 1080i. HDPVR can't do 1080p.

Hope that helps.

[Denko]

I have
Now it works if i dont use the USB cable into my pc, but i cant record without it
My screen just go black if i plug it into my PC

Its wierd, its like my pc cant record Xbox
but it worked for ps3

[yoda313]

My screen just go black if i plug it into my PC

Bad usb port? Have you tried plugging it into a different usb slot?

You might want to consider getting a usb pci card if you can't use your regular usb ports.

[Denko]

My screen just go black if i plug it into my PC

Bad usb port? Have you tried plugging it into a different usb slot?

You might want to consider getting a usb pci card if you can't use your regular usb ports.

I have good usb ports, i tryed everyone, it works on my ps3 so idk whats the problem

[usually_quiet]

Maybe PAL60 issues due to an NTSC game?

[gll99]

Hey, im kinda having the same issue, just that i use Component cables from my xbox to my HdPvr and then component cables from HDPvr to my HD Tv, but it dosnt work
On my cable there is a switch, to switch from Standar to High Def
But when i use the standard it works, but when i switch to HD, it dont work
I dont know what to do, is there a way to fix it?

On quick read this thread was a bit confusing until I noticed this is a resurrected thread and the op hasn't posted since Mar 31.

My component cable out from the Xbox360 doesn't have a switch since I bought a generic brand that fits the Wii, PS3 and XBox360 for $15. I have an Xbox360 and also a Hauppauge USB HDPVR but don't do game capture. I would still strongly suspect the signal being output from the xbox360 is either 1080p (with switch set to HD) or 480i/480p (with the switch set to SD). I'd test on mine but there may be some particular issue with your cable that can't be replicated. Makes you wonder if that switch is overriding the box's setting

Things you could try:
As was already stated and you also know the pvr won't accept 1080p but will accept the 1080i down to 480i/480p You could plug directly from the xbox to your tv bypassing the HDPVR completely and checking the info on the tv to see if it is receiving a 1080i or a 1080P signal with the switch set to HD.

You could also try to output 720p from your xbox as another test.

Are both the tv and the HDPVR capture window showing blank. Is there any indication that the Arcsoft software (if that is what you are using) is showing a resolution and encoding bitrate etc.. or are those fields blank too. If they are non-blank then the device is communicating. If they are showing something even though the image is blank try a short test captures while the screen is blank to see if the signal is getting through the usb port to your computer even though you can't see it on your hdtv. If so check the format of the video to see if it's 480i, 480p or 1080i.

Unplug the bypass component cable to see if the computer sees the 1080i signal without the tv in play. There is a lag so it's not ideal for game play but this is just for testing.

Is this is a new problem and does it happens with any other HD devices ie... BD player. Trying another device would let you know it it's particular to your setup with the xbox.

I hope what I'm writing next is BS so take it with a grain of salt
Last but not least I do have another concern and that's because you say that you see the signal when you unplug the usb cable but are still using the HDPVR's component bypass hookup. Is the tv reporting a 1080i signal? If it is then my fear is that newer version or firmware Xbox, PS3 and HDPVR are handshaking to downgrade the component signal to 480i/480p as some rumors have it. It wouldn't do it as soon as you unlug the usb since the signal would just be passing to the tv as is. If this turns out to be true then most other HD devices will surely follow.

[yoda313]

If it is then my fear is that newer version or firmware Xbox, PS3 and HDPVR are handshaking to downgrade the component signal to 480i/480p as some rumors have it. It wouldn't do it as soon as you unlug the usb since the signal would just be passing to the tv as is. If this turns out to be true then most other HD devices will surely follow.

I'll have to try this this weekend. I have the cable the guy is talking about and my 360 is up to date (ie connected via lan to xbox live).

I haven't done that in awhile but I was able to previously.

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Also one thing - is the poster in question using a fiber optic or rca audio plugs? I know I've fought to get a signal on the hd pvr and realized belated that I had not had the right fiber optic cable plugged in. If it doesn't have an audio signal it seems to get tempremental at times.

Edit - Well this is busted. I was able to record in 720p off my xbox 360 on my hdpvr just fine (well just fine after I swapped the green and blue component cables Its in a corner and the light I was using wasn't very bright).

I was able to record the intro to halo reach without a hiccup.

Does the poster have ENABLE VIDEO PREVIEW and HARDWARE ACCELARATION enabled? Its something that could be overlooked.

I do not know what version of arcsoft I'm using. It says copyright 2007 - I don't know when the last time I upgraded was.

Here are the mediinfo stats from mpchc:

neral
ID : 0 (0x0)
Complete name : E:\high def captures\2011_10_29_11_29_20.M2TS
Format : MPEG-TS
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
File size : 81.4 MiB
Duration : 1mn 35s
Overall bit rate : 7 136 Kbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 18.0 Mbps

Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : Main@L4.0
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Format settings, GOP : M=4, N=32
Codec ID : 27
Duration : 1mn 35s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 6 137 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 20.0 Mbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 59.940 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.111
Stream size : 70.0 MiB (86%)
Color primaries : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4, SMPTE RP177
Transfer characteristics : BT.709-5, BT.1361
Matrix coefficients : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4 709, SMPTE RP177

Audio
ID : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 1mn 35s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 640 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : -50ms
Stream size : 7.29 MiB (9%)

Halo Reach is the most recent disc based game I have for the 360. I have a few recent downloadable titles - trenched being the most recent. I do have Arkham City but I bought that for the ps3 (I played Arkham Asylum on the ps3 so I wanted to keep the "muscle memory" the same for the sequel so I'd be able to jump right in - awesome sequel worth the praise it gets).

I could test my ps3 if you want. I have the component cables for it but it sounds like the user can do the ps3 recordings.

FYI the xbox 360 could be dying. I don't know if that could be a symptom or not. The video port could be going bad. If there are any other issues with the 360 it could be a sign of imminent rrod. Just throwing that out there. Hope it isn't the case but when all else fails blame the hardware.

Hope this helps.

[gll99]

@yoda313 you bring up many excellent points.

Your comment on the audio is true so many people have had trouble getting a locked video signal unless they just use the composite stereo sound. Seems like at least some of them were using an older driver and version of the software or had earlier builds of the HDPVR.

I know the op said he could cap from the PS3 but don't know if the later poster has one.

I too would be interested to see what version of the HDPVR and software the user has. There could be differences between the models, firmware etc...

[Denko]

@yoda313 you bring up many excellent points.

Your comment on the audio is true so many people have had trouble getting a locked video signal unless they just use the composite stereo sound. Seems like at least some of them were using an older driver and version of the software or had earlier builds of the HDPVR.

I know the op said he could cap from the PS3 but don't know if the later poster has one.

I too would be interested to see what version of the HDPVR and software the user has. There could be differences between the models, firmware etc...

So, its been written alot here, and if your mistaken me from the one who actually poseted the issue, then im someone else.
My issue is that when i connect my hd pvr to my pc, my screen go black, i dont know if its my pc that cant handle the xbox, but it worsk fine with my ps3 so i dont know, do you know if there is any new sorfware update that i need?

[Thelastuchiha10]

so my pvr isnt showing video on my hd tv or my asus monitor i put the video settings to 1080i and the video appears on my computer screen but not on the tv or monitor