Bitrate allowed with philips 711

[waldodio]

air360,

I get the exact same result on my Philips 711 when I burn XVCD using my ATI AIW and capturing to 2500 after creating the registry edit to fool NERO into thinking it's a compliant VCD. It plays for a couple of seconds, then freezes, etc. I love the results I've gotten using Virtualdub captuing to AVI then using TMPGEnc to compress to SVCD. Although I've so far only had limited experience with that method, it plays beautifully on my 711 with no stoppage. However, I desperately want to be able to use my AIW MMC to capture since I can set it to record using the scheduler, and if I capture directly to mpeg 1/2 I don't hit up against the file size limitation. However, setting up AIW's MMC to capture mpeg2 results in a file NERO doesn't consider SVCD compliant, and which won't play in the 711. Another post somewhere around here notes that such mpeg2 files are not true SVCDs yet, and goes on to describe another step to make them that way. I'm going to try that. I'd rather have an SVCD anyway.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: waldodio on 2001-07-31 15:06:14 ]</font>

[TOMMO]

I have a Philips 711 and am playing around with SVCD. It might be the case (so I am told) that you neeed to encode the audio part at 48000khz and lower the bitrate for video to compensate.

Try this for TEMPEnc and post back and let me know what you think. I am keen to get the best out of this SVCD.

object TMPEGConfigFile
MPEG.Text = 'SuperVideoCD PAL'
MPEG.Description = ''
MPEG.OutputStreamType = MPEG_OutputStreamType_System_VideoAudio
MPEG.OutputStreamType_ReadOnly = True
MPEG.Video.StreamType = MPEGVideoEncoder_StreamType_MPEG2
MPEG.Video.StreamType_ReadOnly = True
MPEG.Video.Width = 480
MPEG.Video.Width_ReadOnly = True
MPEG.Video.Height = 576
MPEG.Video.Height_ReadOnly = True
MPEG.Video.YUVFormat = 1
MPEG.Video.YUVFormat_ReadOnly = True
MPEG.Video.DC_prec = 0
MPEG.Video.DC_prec_ReadOnly = True
MPEG.Video.Interlace = False
MPEG.Video.Interlace_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.TopFieldFirst = False
MPEG.Video.PullDown32 = False
MPEG.Video.PullDown32_ReadOnly = True
MPEG.Video.FrameRate = 3
MPEG.Video.FrameRate_ReadOnly = True
MPEG.Video.AspectRatio = 2
MPEG.Video.AspectRatio_ReadOnly = True
MPEG.Video.RateControlMode = MPEGVideoEncoder_RateControlMode_CBR
MPEG.Video.RateControlMode_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.MaxBitRate = 2520000
MPEG.Video.MaxBitRate_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.CBR_BitRate = 2376000
MPEG.Video.MVBR_MaxBitRate = 2520000
MPEG.Video.MVBR_Quality_P = 0
MPEG.Video.MVBR_Quality_B = 20
MPEG.Video.VBR_AvgBitRate = 1150000
MPEG.Video.VBR_MaxBitRate = 2520000
MPEG.Video.VBR_MinBitRate = 0
MPEG.Video.AVBR_Quality = 50
MPEG.Video.AVBR_MaxBitRate = 2520000
MPEG.Video.AVBR_MinBitRate = 0
MPEG.Video.AVBR_EnablePadding = False
MPEG.Video.CQ_Quality = 65
MPEG.Video.CQ_Quality_P = 0
MPEG.Video.CQ_Quality_B = 20
MPEG.Video.CQ_MaxBitRate = 2376000
MPEG.Video.VBVBufferSize = 114688
MPEG.Video.VBVBufferSize_ReadOnly = True
MPEG.Video.GOP_SeqHeaderInterval = 1
MPEG.Video.GOP_SeqHeaderInterval_ReadOnly = True
MPEG.Video.GOP_I_FrameCount = 1
MPEG.Video.GOP_I_FrameCount_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.GOP_P_FrameCount = 5
MPEG.Video.GOP_P_FrameCount_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.GOP_B_FrameCount = 2
MPEG.Video.GOP_B_FrameCount_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.GOP_BitStreamForEdit = False
MPEG.Video.GOP_BitStreamForEdit_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.QuantizeMatrix_Intra_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.QuantizeMatrix_NonIntra_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.CheckProfile_and_Level = True
MPEG.Video.CheckProfile_and_Level_ReadOnly = True
MPEG.Video.Profile = 4
MPEG.Video.Profile_ReadOnly = True
MPEG.Video.Level = 8
MPEG.Video.Level_ReadOnly = True
MPEG.Video.VideoFormat = 1
MPEG.Video.VideoFormat_ReadOnly = True
MPEG.Video.MotionSearchSpeed = MPEGVideoEncoder_MotionSearchSpeed_Normal
MPEG.Video.MotionSearch_AlwaysHalfPel = False
MPEG.Video.UseFloatDCT = False
MPEG.Video.QuantizeMode = False
MPEG.Video.QuantizeModeVal_Intra = 35
MPEG.Video.QuantizeModeVal_NonIntra = 35
MPEG.Video.YUVBasicYCbCr = False
MPEG.Video.QuantizeMatrix_Intra = {
081013161A1B1D22101016181B1D222513161A1B1D22222616 161A1B1D222528
161A1B1D202328301A1B1D202328303A1A1B1D22262E38451B 1D23262E384553}
MPEG.Video.QuantizeMatrix_NonIntra = {
10111213141516171112131415161718121314151617181913 14151617181A1B
14151617191A1B1C151617181A1B1C1E1617181A1B1C1E1F17 18191B1C1E1F21}
MPEG.Audio.StreamType = MPEGAudioEncoder_StreamType_MPEG1_Layer2
MPEG.Audio.StreamType_ReadOnly = True
MPEG.Audio.SamplingFrequency = 48000
MPEG.Audio.SamplingFrequency_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Audio.ChannelMode = 0
MPEG.Audio.ChannelMode_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Audio.CantUseMono = True
MPEG.Audio.BitRate = 224000
MPEG.Audio.BitRate_ReadOnly = True
MPEG.Audio.CalcCRC = True
MPEG.Audio.CalcCRC_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Audio.OriginalFlag = False
MPEG.Audio.OriginalFlag_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Audio.CopyrightFlag = False
MPEG.Audio.CopyrightFlag_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Audio.PrivateFlag = False
MPEG.Audio.PrivateFlag_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Audio.EmphasisType = 0
MPEG.Audio.EmphasisType_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.System.StreamType = MPEGSystemEncoder_StreamType_MPEG2_SuperVideoCD_VB R
MPEG.System.StreamType_ReadOnly = True
MPEG.System.CommentText = ''
MPEG.System.EnableCommentText = False
end

[shardison]

I've made several SVCD's that play great on my Philips 711. But then, I use VCDimager/CDRwin and not Nero to burn.

I used to believe that the 711 required CBR video only because of halting video playback with VBR. But that problem went away with the newer VCDimager versions. Now I use VBR.

It is true that the 711 requires 2500kbs or lower video bitrates. I use 2500kbs max vbr video and 192kbs sound when converting through TMPGEnc with great results. 48000khz shouldn't be necessary; I've never had a problem with the default settings.

I also have captured directly to 480x480 SVCD with MMC 7.1 AIW with good results. You just have to MUX and reMUX the sound thorugh TMPGEnc.

The 711 also doesn't mind 352X480 or 352x240 XSVCD's, as long as you keep the bitrate below 2500kbs. VCDimager and CDRwin don't mind either.

[waldodio]

Thank you shardison! I'm going to try the mux/remix in TMPGEnc for my ATI MMC SVCD captures. I read elsewhere that you can also do this in mpeg2vcr, but why load yet another video alteration software when TMPGEnc will do it? Thanks again for everyone's great advice.

[sandokan]

as far as i know (i own a yamaha dvds510, same as 711):

711 won't play xvcd or xsvcd with datarates above standards.
you can play with the resolutions if you want.

vcd total rate: 1374kb/s
(my settings: video 1246 kbps &
audio 128 kbps
resolution: 352 x 288 (pal))

svcd total rate: 2600kb/s
(my settings: video 2470 kbps &
audio 128 kbps
resolution: 720 x 576 (pal))

hope this is usefull for you (my SVCD-setting looks very nice, in my opinion).

regards
moi!