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  1. Hi, I am a bit stalled in my project because my output has been a bit pixelated.

    First, the goals of my project are:

    • To use my dual-stream footage to make a 3D HD Anaglyph Blu-ray disk
    • To also make a DVD version
    • To also make streaming editions for youtube and vimeo.

    I've already posted trailer versions on youtube, and not been happy with the results.
    But, youtube is going to compress the heck out of videos anyway...
    Maybe not much I can do about that.

    In the ship videos, you can see a bit of pixelation in the water and skies.
    http://www.youtube.com/3DHDAnaglyph
    I am not sure with which preset to open a new project.
    Here's the specs on the cameras.


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    And here's the specs on the source video.

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    Should I be choosing AVCHD or HDV?
    Or something else?

    When I output to Blu-ray in AME, should I choose H.264 Blu-ray?
    Is there going to be any strength of copy protection to that?
    Maybe that's a topic for a new thread.

    Should I stick with the bitrates in the presets, or change them?
    Anything else need tweaked?

    Thanks in Advance,
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  2. Thought I would add a little more info, since this thread isn't generating much interest yet.
    Here's the AME export settings I have been using for youtube.

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    your project should probably be avchd 720 30p, not hdv it's mpeg-2 not mpeg-4.

    if you aren't happy with the quality increase the bitrate target and max. if you choose both as the same number you might as well use cbr 1 pass and cut the render time in half.
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    Explain again your source video format? GSpot says codec status undetermined.

    First thing I would do is decompress the camera file to 1280x720p 29.97. If you can't handle uncompressed (2 disk RAID needed) then explain more what type of editing is required. An RGB JPG or PNG frame sequence may be needed. Idea is to keep it in progressive frames on the timeline without temporal compression.


    PS: forgot you wanted to do 3D, that means you need two progressive timelines (4-5 disk RAID for uncompressed).
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  5. Originally Posted by aedipuss View Post
    your project should probably be avchd 720 30p, not hdv it's mpeg-2 not mpeg-4.

    if you aren't happy with the quality increase the bitrate target and max. if you choose both as the same number you might as well use cbr 1 pass and cut the render time in half.
    Thanks for answering.

    As a test, I once chose an absurdly high bitrate.. about 40 I think.
    My quad processor with 8gb RAM was about brought to it's knees trying to play it.
    So, maybe I should ask what bitrate seems reasonable for good quality.

    Do extra passes increase quality?
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  6. Originally Posted by edDV View Post
    Explain again your source video format? GSpot says codec status undetermined.

    First thing I would do is decompress the camera file to 1280x720p 29.97. If you can't handle uncompressed (2 disk RAID needed) then explain more what type of editing is required. An RGB JPG or PNG frame sequence may be needed. Idea is to keep it in progressive frames on the timeline without temporal compression.


    PS: forgot you wanted to do 3D, that means you need two progressive timelines (4-5 disk RAID for uncompressed).
    Thanks for answering.
    Yeah, I was also wondering why it says undetermined.

    Guess I will have to check on how to decompress the files.
    I have a LOT of source material for this project... gigabytes.

    I do have 4 drives, but not in a RAID configuration.
    Why would I need a RAID?

    By the way, how I edit for anaglyph 3D is to just put the left and right videos in separate channels on the timeline and edit from there.
    I have to do it this way because the clips sometimes vary in length slightly.
    Then, I just take use Image Control/Color Correction filter to set the blues and greens to zero on the left, and the red to zero on the right.
    Then, I set both channels to Screen or Additive.

    Not my idea... learned it on the web.

    I just spent quite some time checking on how to decompress quicktime, h.264, or AVC1.
    FFDSHOW plugin in Virtual Dub still isn't opening any quicktime files, even if they are h.264 AVC1.
    How do I do that?
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    What is the camera? Try Mediainfo to id the codec.

    You are running a dual video timeline project. This doubles the CPU power needed for 1x playback or search/scrub. When you add filters you will need to render the workspace to get a preview.

    You want to do this in 1280x720p. CS4 only accepts limited formats in 720p. Among them,

    Uncompressed RGB
    Uncompressed YCbCr
    HDV/XDCAM MPeg2
    DVCPro_HD (must be 960x720p)

    Your computer can't handle uncompressed without a large RAID (5-6 disks) plus OS disk. So that leaves external conversion to HDV, DVCPro-HD or some kind of Motion JPeg.

    MJPEG is a sequence of JPG stills. Advantage is you have intact frames for editing (e.g. no 15 frame GOP MPeg interframe motion compression). This reduces the decode load on the CPU when you are working on the timeline and previewing. You can easily edit and filter to the frame level. Ideally you would convert your two streams to MJPEG in Virtualdub. Then set a dual timeline Video for Windows project in CS4. CS4 will use a third party MJPEG codec.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_JPEG
    http://www.accusoft.com/picvideomjpeg.htm
    http://www.morgan-multimedia.com/

    An alternate to MJPEG is a simple sequence of png, tif or tga stills. This is often done for animation.
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  8. Originally Posted by edDV View Post
    What is the camera? Try Mediainfo to id the codec.

    You are running a dual video timeline project. This doubles the CPU power needed for 1x playback or search/scrub. When you add filters you will need to render the workspace to get a preview.

    You want to do this in 1280x720p. CS4 only accepts limited formats in 720p. Among them,

    Uncompressed RGB
    Uncompressed YCbCr
    HDV/XDCAM MPeg2
    DVCPro_HD (must be 960x720p)

    Your computer can't handle uncompressed without a large RAID (5-6 disks) plus OS disk. So that leaves external conversion to HDV, DVCPro-HD or some kind of Motion JPeg.

    MJPEG is a sequence of JPG stills. Advantage is you have intact frames for editing (e.g. no 15 frame GOP MPeg interframe motion compression). This reduces the decode load on the CPU when you are working on the timeline and previewing. You can easily edit and filter to the frame level. Ideally you would convert your two streams to MJPEG in Virtualdub. Then set a dual timeline Video for Windows project in CS4. CS4 will use a third party MJPEG codec.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_JPEG
    http://www.accusoft.com/picvideomjpeg.htm
    http://www.morgan-multimedia.com/

    An alternate to MJPEG is a simple sequence of png, tif or tga stills. This is often done for animation.
    Thanks so much for answering.

    I have two of these for my dual stream footage.

    PenCam Trio HD

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    Here's the 720p presets I have available to open a project in Prem CS4.
    I have a few more since I updated.

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    How might I make a lossless conversion to HDV ?
    I don't want to shift from 1280 wide to 960 for DVCPro-HD.
    I am wondering if a motion jpeg would leave my audio intact.

    For the life of me, I can't get quicktime movies to open in Virtual Dub.
    Do I need a plugin?
    I searched the VD site for 'quicktime', and got no hits.

    Here's what MediaInfo reported on one of my source videos.

    Thanks again,

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    Complete name : F:\~~~ 1 Images~~~\~V~\~~Cameras\2010-09-03 Blue Lagoon - L\Blue Lagoon - L 004.MOV
    Format : MPEG-4
    Format profile : QuickTime
    Codec ID : qt
    File size : 4.74 MiB
    Duration : 7s 7ms
    Overall bit rate : 5 669 Kbps
    Encoded date : UTC 2010-03-28 21:40:11
    Tagged date : UTC 2010-09-10 19:14:39
    Writing library : Apple QuickTime
    AMBA :

    Video
    ID : 1
    Format : AVC
    Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
    Format profile : Main@L4.0
    Format settings, CABAC : Yes
    Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
    Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=15
    Codec ID : avc1
    Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
    Duration : 7s 7ms
    Bit rate mode : Variable
    Bit rate : 5 600 Kbps
    Maximum bit rate : 5 000 Kbps
    Width : 1 280 pixels
    Height : 720 pixels
    Display aspect ratio : 16:9
    Frame rate mode : Constant
    Frame rate : 29.970 fps
    Color space : YUV
    Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
    Bit depth : 8 bits
    Scan type : Progressive
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.203
    Stream size : 4.68 MiB (99%)
    Title : Ambarella AVC
    Language : English
    Encoded date : UTC 2010-03-28 21:40:11
    Tagged date : UTC 2010-03-28 21:40:11

    Audio
    ID : 2
    Format : AAC
    Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
    Format version : Version 4
    Format profile : LC
    Format settings, PS : Yes
    Codec ID : 40
    Duration : 6s 762ms
    Bit rate mode : Constant
    Bit rate : 32.6 Kbps
    Nominal bit rate : 128 Kbps
    Channel(s) : 2 channels
    Channel positions : Front: L R
    Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
    Stream size : 26.9 KiB (1%)
    Title : Ambarella AAC
    Language : English
    Encoded date : UTC 2010-03-28 21:40:11
    Tagged date : UTC 2010-03-28 21:40:11
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    you can't losslessly convert to HDV, it's mpeg-2 and your source is avc mpeg-4. choose the acvhd 720 30p template you have highlighted to best match your source.
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  10. Originally Posted by aedipuss View Post
    you can't losslessly convert to HDV, it's mpeg-2 and your source is avc mpeg-4. choose the acvhd 720 30p template you have highlighted to best match your source.
    Thanks for answering.

    Yes, that's the preset I have been using lately.
    Glad to have it verified as the right one.

    And in AME, should I use the H.264 Blu-ray preset to output Blu-ray?
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    Originally Posted by 3DHDAnaglyph View Post
    Originally Posted by aedipuss View Post
    you can't losslessly convert to HDV, it's mpeg-2 and your source is avc mpeg-4. choose the acvhd 720 30p template you have highlighted to best match your source.
    Thanks for answering.

    Yes, that's the preset I have been using lately.
    Glad to have it verified as the right one.

    And in AME, should I use the H.264 Blu-ray preset to output Blu-ray?
    Problem is AVC is very inefficient on the timeline. This gets worse with two AVC video timelines with color correction on both. Are you able to search/scrub or preview the timeline?

    MJPeg or a digital intermediate (e.g. Cineform Neoscene) will remove the temporal compression making timeline operations much more efficient.
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  12. Originally Posted by edDV View Post
    Originally Posted by 3DHDAnaglyph View Post
    Originally Posted by aedipuss View Post
    you can't losslessly convert to HDV, it's mpeg-2 and your source is avc mpeg-4. choose the acvhd 720 30p template you have highlighted to best match your source.
    Thanks for answering.

    Yes, that's the preset I have been using lately.
    Glad to have it verified as the right one.

    And in AME, should I use the H.264 Blu-ray preset to output Blu-ray?
    Problem is AVC is very inefficient on the timeline. This gets worse with two AVC video timelines with color correction on both. Are you able to search/scrub or preview the timeline?

    MJPeg or a digital intermediate (e.g. Cineform Neoscene) will remove the temporal compression making timeline operations much more efficient.
    I can preview without stutters if I have rendered the effects first.

    Will check into MJEG more.
    Thanks.
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    Originally Posted by 3DHDAnaglyph View Post
    Originally Posted by edDV View Post
    Originally Posted by 3DHDAnaglyph View Post
    Originally Posted by aedipuss View Post
    you can't losslessly convert to HDV, it's mpeg-2 and your source is avc mpeg-4. choose the acvhd 720 30p template you have highlighted to best match your source.
    Thanks for answering.

    Yes, that's the preset I have been using lately.
    Glad to have it verified as the right one.

    And in AME, should I use the H.264 Blu-ray preset to output Blu-ray?
    Problem is AVC is very inefficient on the timeline. This gets worse with two AVC video timelines with color correction on both. Are you able to search/scrub or preview the timeline?

    MJPeg or a digital intermediate (e.g. Cineform Neoscene) will remove the temporal compression making timeline operations much more efficient.
    I can preview without stutters if I have rendered the effects first.

    Will check into MJEG more.
    Thanks.
    You may find an MJPEG codec for free, or low cost. Cineform Neoscene would be better but costs $129. But Neoscene may not accept h.264 from Aiptech. It does support AVCHD and HDV.
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  14. Originally Posted by edDV View Post
    Originally Posted by 3DHDAnaglyph View Post
    Originally Posted by edDV View Post
    Originally Posted by 3DHDAnaglyph View Post
    Originally Posted by aedipuss View Post
    you can't losslessly convert to HDV, it's mpeg-2 and your source is avc mpeg-4. choose the acvhd 720 30p template you have highlighted to best match your source.
    Thanks for answering.

    Yes, that's the preset I have been using lately.
    Glad to have it verified as the right one.

    And in AME, should I use the H.264 Blu-ray preset to output Blu-ray?
    Problem is AVC is very inefficient on the timeline. This gets worse with two AVC video timelines with color correction on both. Are you able to search/scrub or preview the timeline?

    MJPeg or a digital intermediate (e.g. Cineform Neoscene) will remove the temporal compression making timeline operations much more efficient.
    I can preview without stutters if I have rendered the effects first.

    Will check into MJEG more.
    Thanks.
    You may find an MJPEG codec for free, or low cost. Cineform Neoscene would be better but costs $129. But Neoscene may not accept h.264 from Aiptech. It does support AVCHD and HDV.
    Whahoo !
    Now, that's more like it !

    I got the Neoscene trial and can really tell the difference in quality.
    Hope I can get all my source footage converted in the 7 day trial.

    Here's the MediaInfo report on the converted file.
    Will put the statistics on the original file below that.

    But this is what impresses me most...

    Original - Overall bit rate : 5 073 Kbps
    Converted - Overall bit rate : 74.0 Mbps

    Thanks again !

    Converted file:


    General
    Complete name : F:\~~~ 1 Images~~~\~V~\~~Cameras\2010-08-26 bowsprit - L\bowsprit - L 004.avi
    Format : AVI
    Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
    File size : 575 MiB
    Duration : 1mn 5s
    Overall bit rate : 74.0 Mbps

    Video
    ID : 0
    Format : CineForm
    Codec ID : CFHD
    Codec ID/Info : CineForm 10-bit Visually Perfect HD (Wavelet)
    Duration : 1mn 5s
    Bit rate : 72.2 Mbps
    Width : 1 280 pixels
    Height : 720 pixels
    Display aspect ratio : 16:9
    Frame rate : 29.970 fps
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 2.613
    Stream size : 561 MiB (98%)

    Audio
    ID : 1
    Format : PCM
    Format settings, Endianness : Little
    Format settings, Sign : Signed
    Codec ID : 1
    Codec ID/Hint : Microsoft
    Duration : 1mn 5s
    Bit rate mode : Constant
    Bit rate : 1 536 Kbps
    Channel(s) : 2 channels
    Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
    Bit depth : 16 bits
    Stream size : 11.9 MiB (2%)
    Interleave, duration : 21 ms (0.64 video frame)
    Interleave, preload duration : 3050 ms

    Original File:

    General
    Complete name : F:\~~~ 1 Images~~~\~V~\~~Cameras\2010-08-26 bowsprit - L\bowsprit - L 004.MOV
    Format : MPEG-4
    Format profile : QuickTime
    Codec ID : qt
    File size : 39.5 MiB
    Duration : 1mn 5s
    Overall bit rate : 5 073 Kbps
    Encoded date : UTC 2010-03-20 20:11:40
    Tagged date : UTC 2010-09-19 12:37:30
    Writing library : Apple QuickTime
    AMBA : 

    Video
    ID : 1
    Format : AVC
    Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
    Format profile : Main@L4.0
    Format settings, CABAC : Yes
    Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
    Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=15
    Codec ID : avc1
    Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
    Duration : 1mn 5s
    Bit rate mode : Variable
    Bit rate : 5 019 Kbps
    Maximum bit rate : 5 000 Kbps
    Width : 1 280 pixels
    Height : 720 pixels
    Display aspect ratio : 16:9
    Frame rate mode : Constant
    Frame rate : 29.970 fps
    Color space : YUV
    Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
    Bit depth : 8 bits
    Scan type : Progressive
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.182
    Stream size : 39.0 MiB (99%)
    Title : Ambarella AVC
    Language : English
    Encoded date : UTC 2010-03-20 20:11:40
    Tagged date : UTC 2010-03-20 20:11:40

    Audio
    ID : 2
    Format : AAC
    Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
    Format version : Version 4
    Format profile : LC
    Codec ID : 40
    Duration : 1mn 5s
    Bit rate mode : Constant
    Bit rate : 32.0 Kbps
    Nominal bit rate : 128 Kbps
    Channel(s) : 2 channels
    Channel positions : Front: L R
    Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
    Stream size : 255 KiB (1%)
    Title : Ambarella AAC
    Language : English
    Encoded date : UTC 2010-03-20 20:11:40
    Tagged date : UTC 2010-03-20 20:11:40
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