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there's so many things inherently incorrect about what he says and believes that it's hard to know where to begin, but allow me to address the points that first come to mind:"Make sure your brand is protected," Ars Technica cites Simmons as saying. "Make sure there are no incursions. Be litigious. Sue everybody. Take their homes, their cars. Don't let anybody cross that line."
Simmons goes on to blame the music industry for not being tougher on offenders from the very beginning.
"The music industry was asleep at the wheel and didn't have the balls to sue every fresh-faced, freckle-faced college kid who downloaded material," he said, "And so now we're left with hundreds of thousands of people without jobs. There's no industry."
1) the claim that hundreds of thousands of people were left without jobs is dubious at best and a stupid at worst. we currently have an unemployment rate of about 10%, across all industries, including my industry (the pest control industry), mechanics, construction workers, the IT fields, textile industry, etc. would he blame their unemployment on "piracy" as well.
2) assuming that those people he cites are indeed unemployed, it's very likely that they would have ended up unemployed anyway as services like apple's itunes cut into the sale of cd's and audio dvd's.
3) considering that if there are any victims as a result of the "theft" that is "piracy" he would be the primary one and considering he seems to be doing just fine, then i find it hard to conclude that it would result in the loss of income for anyone else.
lastly the notion that "piracy" is theft is ridiculous on so many different levels. when you steal something you deprive someone of said item, for instance if you steal a tv you deprive the rightful owner of said tv. when you "pirate" a song, you haven't deprived anyone of said song, they still have the originals, you simply have a copy of it.
genie-boy also conveniently ignores a few other realities:
1) many times the "artist" is him/herself a "pirate", by sampling others rifts, chords or lyrics and even worse is a flat out thief by putting out cd's where 1 or 2 songs are decent, everything else is crap and then charge 12+ bucks for it (yes, i'm looking right at KISS on this one).
2) content creators are a rather unique breed in that they seem to be the only people on the face of the planet that expects to keep getting paid over and over for work done once. if i'm a car dealer and sell you a car i don't expect you to pay me more just because more than one person will be riding in it. similarly at the end of the week i get a paycheck for the work i did, i may get a commission if i sold a job but come next week i don't expect to get paid again for the same work. a mechanic that fixes your car doesn't come up to you in a month and after discovering that your vehicle is still working properly charge you again because the car is still working. these people expect to not only get income ad infinitum for the work they did only once but they expect said income to be will-able and be passed on to their heirs.
i guess people would be more inclined to respect copyright if it didn't last for life+75 years, perhaps if it lasted a more reasonable length of time, perhaps 5 years, or maybe even like patents which are 10 years before passing into the public domain and if we didn't have to hear some mega-millionaire bitch about how "piracy" is hurting the industry, while he's driving a lamborghini and the rest of america is having their houses foreclosed, then perhaps they would be a tad more sympathetic.
as it stands now i'm inclined to say "f*ck them all" but throw them a carrot and agree not to download any mp3's.
i prefer uncompressed flac's anyway.
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Yep and its like he hasn't done anything illegal or improper? A rocker??? Yeah right......
Donatello - The Shredder? Michelangelo - Maybe all that hardware is for making coleslaw?
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Haha. Touche. I actually think that illegal downloading has a few positives as well, such as exposing people to new music that they otherwise might not have tried. This in turn helps creates new fans who hopefully show up at concerts - which is where the bands make all their money anyway.Originally Posted by yoda313
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Gene Simmons is a Douche.....
He only has a talent for commercializing everything and he only cares about the all mighty $ and only pretends to care about anything else just to keep all the mindless drones throwing their $ at him!!
The funny thing about that is, later didn't they end up coming out in favor of on line sharingOriginally Posted by Forum Troll
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i dont agree with all your points,
downloading a song for free should be illegal. HOWEVER, the song downloaded does not count as lost revenue. the song would most likely never have been purchased. the total loss of sales is probably only around 10%, that is to say, only about 10% of the people who downloaded it would have went out and bought it if it were not so easily and readily available.
the music industry has instead, made an enemy of every american, whether they pay or not, by launching campaigns to crush every right every free citizen should have, including making copies of your music for your best friends. Their music should not be available freely, but it should still be available to share them with your friends, rather than simply tyrannically stifling every system of communication in desperate attempts to force people to buy things, because the industry's math sees all those as sales revenue totaling approximately 100000000000000000000000 dollars
they have bit the hand that feeds them, made enemies of their only supporters, and left a wound that will never be healed, in calling the world of music lovers freckled-faced criminals, thieves, and lowlife dirtbag degenerates who should be locked up or killed
the music industry executives suffer from a fantasy reality they have created wherein they are inapproachable gods to be worshiped and feared by the meaningless and insignificant masses of people.
what they have really done is create a society fed up with their accusations, meddling, micro-managing, enslaving and slandering, who has largely given up concern for any musician or producer or recording label, and lost any respect or appreciation or admiration anyone might have had, out of their own customer base and only target demographic, much as hollywood has also done
the number of people who hate musicians, or record labels or the entire music industry is about 70% of their demographic, and about 800% what any industry can achieve and expect to survive.
what should have happened is they should have supported their listeners who downloaded the music, and worked only to punish people who shared songs with anyone in the world. they should have continued positive actions which encouraged sharing of music through real friend methods, and which encouraged people to be fair and do what was right, then doing as all successful industries do, and be thankful and appreciative of the honest people, building your business around them, and accepting the fact that u will never be able to control 100% of the people, nor force them to behave, and realize that in trying to do so u would destroy your business and entire industry.
its as if the May corporation decided to decline all returns to clothing at their department stores because some people wear them clubbing and keep returning them for new outfits. they would go out of business, or do about 10% of their current sales. May corp. realizes the importance of customer loyalty, that u may not have money for 2 new dresses now, so u really lie and cheat and steal, but they dont care because they realize someday, perhaps years down the road, you will get a better job, be married, have a family, and u will still be doing all your shopping with them.
the doofily narcissistic music industry, with megalomania, should have in fact realized that the only people downloading music were poor college students, and those with entry-level jobs, and in hard economic times, and that someday they would grow up, get jobs, be successful, marry, and be productive and better off, and would remain loyal and faithful
instead they traded what they most desperately needed and was right in front of them , for what no company should ever attempt to cross, their customer
and it just comes across as petty greed and extreme abuse and malice towards their own user public, in hollywood as well
what should have happened is artists and labels eating costs, and offering good songs for free download, as customer appreciation and loyalty-building
they are completely failedLast edited by 1337assassin; 22nd Oct 2010 at 04:08.
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neither hollywood nor the music industry has anyone on board. no one. at all. except other terrorists and freedom-raiders
most people just stare at them, dumfounded, wondering what they are going to do next, and if its the literal apocalyptic end of the world and if they are going to start sprouting heads and fangs and be slapping numbers on us
they cant even part with a single movie out of good will, even an old one.. and songs should all be legal to dowload if they were created before the goon squad-o-terrorists gained their vicious and ruthlless stranglehold over their target demographic, such as all 60's, 70's, 80's, and 90's musicLast edited by 1337assassin; 20th Oct 2010 at 00:17.
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'Gene Simmons' apparently thinks there being 'no industry' has something to do with downloading, rather than the way they abused, slandered, infringed upon, scorned, kicked, laughed at, belittled and cursed their own supporters and only source of income
and apparently he thinks the way to repair the damage is with more slander, cursing, belittling, attacking, hating, screaming, kicking, shouting, spitting and invading, enslaving, fear-mongering, oppressing, and malicious slobbering all over their only customers
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do u know if he was upset for only the sound track, or the entire exercise video?
i'll bet he downloaded every song on his 'sweating to the oldies'
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another point, most times the 'intellectual property' by 'content creators' and even most patent ideas are stolen from other people in society. there is a type of writer, and developer, inventor, and creator who actually spend all their free time bleeding other people, stealing their ideas, their creativity, their knowledge, their inventions, their stories, then they run like crap over to the patent office, or their keyboards, and secure it as their own idea, property, creation, invention, or intellectual property.. they often pose as friends or innocent passersby
in fact, most so called 'creative' or 'inventive' people, really arent.. truly creative and inventive people dont feel the need to put a license on their idea, they just make more of them..
its a type of charade that allows them to claim rights to thought processes
imagine if u had to pay some chef or his family everytime u made a pesto, or a pasta dish, or used the julliene method, or made a roux, or used a BBQ or a saute method...
there is no difference
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the true geniuses of the world are betrayed, bled, poor, and obscure..
they are caring, insightful, studious, giving, freely sharing, and extremely knowledgable.. naive and easy prey for the scheming intellectual rights predators
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???Originally Posted by 1337assassin
"Shut up Wesley!" -- Captain Jean-Luc Picard
Buy My Books
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to further my point, I dont even listen to american music, and I'm fed up, sick and tired, and dumbfounded with how they treat their customers and die-hard loyal fans.
they dont have an unlimited number of fans, and most of them are actually only americans, and of all the americans, only a small minority are crazy about music, and fanatical about stars.
those are the only people who buy music... the rest of america and the world just drops in from time to time, and picks up something thats probably not even 'hot' or 'popular', if they arent happy with Radio Stations
their "industry" is comprised solely of people who love their music to the extent that they most likely know all the lyrics, go ape when they see the singer or group in person, and probably cry to their music, or at least feel soothed or pacified by it.
In short, they are some of the most die-hard and loyal customers on the planet, people who arent afraid to spend all their money on music.
What the internet offered appealed to a far wider audience than the music nut. The internet offered people who dont care about music or singers or groups, the ability to download a song they might have heard on the radio, in a club, or in a store, or from a friend.
It began an era where people were free from having to waste money on 11 crappy songs to get one good song, so it made collecting music a viable option for people who otherwise would not have spent any money on music.
The music industry was staring at the movement, they knew that people were doing it to by pass all the songs they didnt want, the music industry understood that the listeners and public wanted access to only one song, and the music industry laughed, scoffed, scorned, frowned, belittled, chided, and up-turned their noses at the people, demanding from the people that the thing to do was to walk into a store, and buy a complete CD with 11 songs you really really hate, then rip then one song you want out, and have it available on your mp3 player
the music industry sat by month after month, year after year, refusing to acknowledge the listeners lifestyles and technologically-minded youth.
they even went so far as to encourage artists to stand up on national tv and tell the listeners that they were all dirtbag thieves and worthless lowlifes
and so the people responded as any customer, fanboy, and zealot so offended would, responding in kind, by being equally as stand-offish, equally as rude, by treating them the way they were being treated, and by casting them aside, out of their lives, as all humans do, naturally, when faced with tyranny and oppression without caring or concern for their own needs
and thus the relationship between the music industry and all musicians who stood with them against the masses, and the buying population of fans and music nuts was completely severed and destroyed
even people like me, who dont even listen to popular or mainstream music, nor any music from america, have the same opinion of the music industry as the rest of the world, the same view anyone would have of any industry or organization who slandered, attacked, belittled, oppressed, and demanded totalitarian obedience from their customers
iTunes came along WAY after the fact, and nobody really cared about iTunes, as it was a third party who was trying to smooth over the relationship / war between the "music industry" and the people who actually do all the listening to people who would otherwise be singing to the shower head, so iTunes was really unwelcomed on many fronts, and seen as an illegitimate self-indulged solution to which neither warring party took interest in..
iTunes was not able to heal those deep and gaping wounds and broken hearts of the betrayed listeners by the arrogant self-appointed burgoise class of delusional 'elites', who are only where they are because of the listeners support, admiration, and praise, and not because of any special talent or inherent right or exceptional achievement of their own
and so the war wages on
and it will continue to do so until the music industry kowtows on bended knee before their ex-customers and ex-fanbase, and creates specific methods for providing what music nuts / techies want, endorsed and gracious offers of MP3 downloads from artist-specific pages with personalized thank you notes from each band member to all those who downloaded a 1$ copy of an mp3Last edited by 1337assassin; 22nd Oct 2010 at 10:20.
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and until Gene Simmons and the rest of those brain-dead crackpots have their forehead on the ground, prostrate before the public, begging forgiveness.. i dont think we ever will see a return of any 'music industry' to speak of
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I'd guess a number much lower than your 10% guess.Originally Posted by 1337assassin
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the "music industry" believes that people will actually be going to music stores and buying CD's, each CD only able to hold 12 songs, and that every single person in america can NOT have any music on their computer, unless they illegally and criminally "Rip" the contents of the CD to their Hard Drive using some covert software or very expensive software, then converting that data to a compressed format suitable for portable media devices, rendering it.. then keeping it on their computer, and never sending any new song to friends.. if you want to introduce your friend to a song, you can put the CD in a large carrying case, take your butt out to the car, and drive 5000 miles and put it in their own CD player and listen to it together.
its like they really just want technology to just go away, so things can be like what they were in the early 90's
they are unwilling to make any concessions, or do anything at all to meet the needs and demands of consumers, nor do anything to adjust to the changing world around them
its as if you took the most stupid people you could find, put them all in a room, made them smoke crack and shoot black tar heroine for 5 years straight, then opened the door and let them out to make business decisions...
all that is apparent is that the music industry is run by thugs, criminals, shy-locks, perverted narcissists, self-indulgent megalomaniacs, and a slew of other miscreants, all of them without the good sense the average american Corporate Executive has stuck to the bottom of his highly polished shoes.
what they should have done is begun offering MP3's of 1 to 3 songs on a mini-disk, much like the mini LP's that came out with one song on the front, and a promotional song on the back..
and they should have made those available for every song on the billboard charts, in stores, when that was happening..
that window has long since been closed, and its also what led to the self-destruction of the music industry
we can all imagine those music industry people's behavior at every step of the way.. as we've all been exposed to them at every opportunity they take to address the public..
what they do in response to any logical idea is Stand Up, like the Hollywood stars, and begin slobbering and shouting and yelling and kicking things, telling each and every customer of theirs that they are stupid, freckle-faces losers without the brain power their drugged out narcissistic self-indulgent bubble-lives make them privy to.. and that if the people want something from their graces, they will do it like it was done in the 1960's, you freckled faced computer geek.
they havent the brain capacity of a sane and rational, healthy-minded 10-year old.
what they should have done was be on board the Digital Music Revolution, and the Digital Media Player and portable mini-computer explosion
i dont think anyone in the music industry even owns a computer, let alone has the first clue how to turn it on, and most of them, 90% of the time, would be hard-pressed to sit still and pay attention to what is happening on a monitor for more than 5 minutes, before they start shouting, spatting, ranting, and kicking things again, unless the computer also came equipped drugs or a live naked model on top of the monitor
they are idiots
they could have had everyone in America on board purchasing MP3's, and there would not have been anyone in america who would not have bought and paid for their MP3's, one by one, had they taken control of the situation, and spent a little money for programmers to develop solutions, rather than shoveling all of the money into their noses and spouting off about little losers on the internet
honestly, people not buying music is really just helping the music industry.. to sober up... its actually unethical to buy music from people you know are just going to spend it on drugs..
and downloading an MP3 is the same as stealing a candy bar from the store..
are they going to send you to prison for stealing a 1$ candy item?.. no, they arent.. nor are they going to assign a swath of FBI agents to make sure you go down for doing it.
its ridiculous how corrupt America is.. and how everything in America seems to be working directly against the people..
its impossible for it to continue much longer.. but go ahead and take them for all they are worth.. get what you can.. while you can.Last edited by 1337assassin; 22nd Oct 2010 at 18:50.
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right.. exactly. 1% of the american people went into music stores to buy music before the days of MP3's..Originally Posted by zzyzzx
actually, there is about 99% MORE people owning their songs as there would be if it were not available as an MP3 from somewhere.
if all americans were to do what the music industry wants, and go back in time 20 years, they would have their little 1% of listeners back, and exactly nobody else would be going in to buy their uber-crappy album to procure a CDA format song
in fact, we'd all throw out our Portable media players if the music industry had their way, as there would be no reason for them to exist..
we'd all be toting around the uber-hip portable CD players, and a bag of our favorite 10 CD's
the music industry can go die for all anyone cares.. they have dug their own grave, assigned themselves their own fate.. there is no way out for them, they are buried, gone, snuffed out, extinguished, annihilated, wiped clean off the face of the earth
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and of those 10 CD's we were toting around, we would have to "repeat 1" song on every Disk, so as not to be accosted by crap we hate..
so, of those 10 CD's, we really only may get 10 songs we want.. opening the case and changing CDs every time we want a new song
or listening to the same song over and over.. and over.. and over.. and over.. and over.. and over.. and over.. and over.. and over..
as it used to be..
and iTunes was not a music Industry solution, in fact, the Music Industry has worked against iTunes on many occasions, stating their dissatisfaction with people even using the service.. its far more unwelcomed by the music industry than it is by the disgruntled, offended, and injured fan boy
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My understanding is Gene is quite the entrepreneur with many business's and investments. When he makes less money he has less to invest which means less jobs and less pay for others.3) considering that if there are any victims as a result of the "theft" that is "piracy" he would be the primary one and considering he seems to be doing just fine, then i find it hard to conclude that it would result in the loss of income for anyone else.
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Originally Posted by thecoalman
if he runs them anything like he thinks the music industry should be run.. he's a miserable failure.
my guess is he let other people make business decisions for him.. and so he feels intelligent, and then stands up and offers others advice, but in reality he just needs to STFU and go back to letting other people make the business decisions before he brings everything he ever had a hand in come crashing down on him, music industry, private ventures, and all.Last edited by 1337assassin; 25th Oct 2010 at 03:24.
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That's not the way it works in the business world most of the time, when you let others make the big decisions and have control of your finances you invariably end up broke and they skate away with your money.Originally Posted by 1337assassin
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heh.. not a bad ideaOriginally Posted by thecoalman
the business world and the money world are not one and the same.. Hollywood and the Music industry are the two primary examples of that
"stars" with half a brain know they need to do something useful with the money they earned from pretending to be other people or urinating on fans
those are the smart half.. who have mooches offering them outlets for their money, and who seek out people and places to put it.
the other half are too stupid
and thats all there really is in either of those two industries
they get their money from fanage..and fanage alone, and do not have the brain power to do anything but pretend to be someone who can do things
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there really isnt any argument here.. you all read the OP.. you all heard the comments, you all heard the brainchild of those with crack for enlightenment
and we've all heard the same and much worse out of both of those industries
and you simply have to be a grub-eating jungle monkey who never set foot on pavement to think that they have more business sense than the banana your holding.
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they have the management skills of celery
and if hollywood doesnt wake up and learn from what happened in the music industry, they will find themselves in the exact same boat
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Just so I understand where you're coming from, you think that all performers have the intellect of a piece of celery or a banana?
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not at all, i imagine its somewhere up around other crack heads, addicts, the uberliberal and other narcissistic megalomaniacs
i said they have the management skills of celery
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and the business sense of a banana
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i imagine their intellect is somewhat of a combination of that of a starving failed artist, a crack-dealers best friend, a completely braindead meth addict, along with the vanity and shallowness of a Model, the narcissism of a sociopathic con-artist, the morals of a prostitute, and the megalomania of godzilla on steroids
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where else would you ever find someone who's idea of a strategic decision is belligerently shouting "Sue my customers! Sue them All!"
its worthy of note amongst the stupidest and most imbecilic ideas ever created
for self-destructiveness and counter-productivity, it rates below the masked-man who robbed a bank by writing his demands on the back of a personal check
you couldnt find anyone more foolish or ridiculously demented on the planet that wasnt already in a padded cell and straight-jacket
i simply think they should be prohibited from ever speaking, period, and that because so many people worship them and believe them to be something other than what they actually are, narcissistic megalomaniacs with the management skills of celery, the common sense of a dodo, and the business sense of a bananaLast edited by 1337assassin; 27th Oct 2010 at 08:58.
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on the bright side, at least their true colors have finally been revealed to the world, and everyone on the planet sees them for who they really are, vain and self-absorbed arrogant illusionists who are psychologically unable to care about anyone other than themselves. people with no regard for fans or music, entertainers who have an obscure musical talent who can sing other peoples songs, bleed real peoples ideas, exploit others feelings and emotions, and somehow believe themselves to be some sort of 'businessmen'
they are people who are not singing for you or trying to soothe you, they are people trying to capitalize on human emotions, they are professional con-artists, fake, rotten, and useless to the core
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