Quicktime Alternative 1.8.1 will not install. Any ideas anyone?

[Canon GL-2 Guy]

I'm trying to use it in tandem with MPEG Streamsclip for the PC.

After downloading it........... it will not then install.

Is Streamclip compatible with OS Windows Vista Home Premium 32-bit?

I guess I could install the official version of QT and shell out $20 for their MPEG-2 plug in.

Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance

[aedipuss]

you could try the newest version, i think qt-alt is up to v3.2.

[guns1inger]

It should - it works with Vista enterprise (32 bit) and also Windows 7 Professional (32 bit).

What actually happens when you try to install it ?

[Canon GL-2 Guy]

Sequence of actual events:

1) Downloaded QT 1.8.1 from this site.
2) Extracted to a folder.
3) Click on the QuickTime Player set-up/installer application icon and presto.... nothing happens.
4) The only other time this happened to me (that I remember) was recently when I tried to install Cineforms Neo Scene which bombed out repeatedly. Their CTO claims this is a new phenomenon to them.

I hope there's not a trend developing as it's very strange course/turn of events.

The only reason why I tried to install 1.8.1 is because the instructions stated it had to be first, then a higher versions could follow.

Completely baffled. Another headscratcher that makes no sense.

[poisondeathray]

Do you have permissions ? Are you running as administrator ?

What are you trying to do with mpegstreamclip ? Perhaps there are alternative methods to do what you want

[Canon GL-2 Guy]

Yes,

I am the "administrator" and have full access, right and privledges at its my machine here at home.

The only other user is my wife.

Maybe the permissions up somehow, someway got screwed up.

It's not a subject I know much about.

In a nutshell, I'm trying to test the quality and the effectiveness of Avids intermediatory codecs & in particular their AVdn codec.

If that fails to impress, then I'll go with Cineform's Neo Scene.

So far I discovered that you can't export a movie/clip form within Premiere Pro CS 3.2 with Avids codec as it doesn't show up as an option. Cineforms CFHD does though!

[poisondeathray]

I skipped CS3, but I think CS4/5 should behave similarly

If you have DNxHD installed , it should show up under "quicktime" because of MOV wrapper (I think if you have regular free quicktime installed it should work). Cineform will be under "Microsoft AVI"

You could also use ffmpeg to encode to DNxHD , but it doesn't encode to the 10-bit varieties yet

In my experience , cineform performs better on PC's for timeline performance (anything in MOV container will be sluggish on PC's) . Quality wise they are similar but the higher settings on cineform like filmscan2 are better (but much larger file sizes (bitrates) ) . The types of artifacts are different between the two. Cineform is wavelet based, so images tend to be cleaner and less detailed. DNxHD is uses DCT and artifacts are more blocky, like MPEG2 and the "noise" acts like false detail. I should mention this is only when you "pixel peep". Under normal conditions , most people won't be able to tell the difference between your original footage.

[Canon GL-2 Guy]

Do you know if the filmscan 2 (higher or the highest) setting is programmed into and an accessible parameter within Neo Scene? I dont' remember as the trial period only lasted for three days.

Please forgive me as I'm a little bewildered right now. Within Premieres export movie/clip function I see and have used Cineforms CFHD codec succesfully. RU saying that I should also see a choice for Quicktime within that module?
Presently there is nothing. Does installing the official version of QT make it show up?

From what I've observed, I fully agree with you that Cineform's rendering + output is superior to Avids.

I generally feel a lot more at home with .avi's and try to stay away from. .mov's to the extent possible.

Never was favorably impressed by .mov playback quality and to me those files lack smoothness and looked somewhat jerky.

As always, thanks for your valued input, time taken and for the opportunity to learn.

[aedipuss]

even if you are running as admin on the computer in general, try right clicking on the .exe and select run the installer as admin.

[poisondeathray]

Do you know if the filmscan 2 (higher or the highest) setting is programmed into and an accessible parameter within Neo Scene? I dont' remember as the trial period only lasted for three days.

I use a different version of cineform, so I don't know if "filmscan2" is available . Sorry I assumed it was the same, maybe someone else can clarify

Please forgive me as I'm a little bewildered right now. Within Premieres export movie/clip function I see and have used Cineforms CFHD codec succesfully. RU saying that I should also see a choice for Quicktime within that module?
Presently there is nothing. Does installing the official version of QT make it show up?

When you install quicktime , it should show up as an export format, and in the submenu there will be different types of compression but all of them .MOV wrapped. I think it should work with the regular quicktime , but you might need QTPro . It's analogous to how "microsoft AVI" will have a multiple choices for compression, but all of them are AVI wrapped. I was just pointing out not to look for Avid DNxHD under the wrong menu

From what I've observed, I fully agree with you that Cineform's rendering + output is superior to Avids.

I generally feel a lot more at home with .avi's and try to stay away from. .mov's to the extent possible.

Yes. I think on PC's it's better to stay with AVI container. Performance wise (playback, editing) it's smoother. The quality is quite good for DNxHD on the highest settings, it's similar to "medium" or "LowHD" in cineform in terms of bitrate and quality. It's a decent free alternative. Some people prefer the "look" of DNxHD , because the types of artifacts (DCT based) look more like what people are used to (again you can't see these things unless you look closely)

[Canon GL-2 Guy]

Aedipuss:

If I right click on the installer I see the following:


a) Run as Administrator or:
b) Open

Just to make sure I choose option a right? Thanks.

Do you think there could be a "permissions" issue when I attempt to install it?

[poisondeathray]

^use option (a) run as administrator . If you are loggin in as admin, it shouldn't make a difference but it won't hurt to try (assuming you downloaded the .exe from a reputable site)

[Canon GL-2 Guy]

Yes, I downloaded it from here.

More latter.

Time to take a short break from this quest. Gotta look for work.

As usual you gents are great and very helpfull.

Kind Regards!

[El Heggunte]

^ or... ¿ run the installer under 2000/XP compatibility-mode ?

[usually_quiet]

I'm trying to use it in tandem with MPEG Streamsclip for the PC.

After downloading it........... it will not then install.

Is Streamclip compatible with OS Windows Vista Home Premium 32-bit?

I guess I could install the official version of QT and shell out $20 for their MPEG-2 plug in.

Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance

Vista itself isn't the problem. I have a dual-boot system with Vista Home Premium 32-bit on the secondary drive. A few minutes ago I downloaded Quicktime Alternative 1.8.1 from the link at Squared 5's MPEG Streamclip download page. I saved the .exe to my downloads folder, clicked on the .exe after the download ended, and it installed without a hitch.

You can't have both Apple's Quicktime and Quicktime Alternative installed on your PC at the same time. Make sure that you uninstall Apple's Quicktime before trying to install Quicktime Alternative.

If permissions and Apple's Quicktime aren't the issue, maybe it is your security software Once in a while security software has caused problems with a known safe program, and I have needed to uninstall my anti-malware, firewall or antivirus to get a program to install properly or work correctly. Afterwards I upgrade my security software to the latest versions and re-install.

MPEG Streamclip's developer is pretty clear that MPEG Streamclip won't work if you ever install a later QuckTime Alternative release than 1.81.

[Canon GL-2 Guy]

Wow, it never occured to me that my own security programs may potentially be blocking access to installing programs.

Let me dwell on that concept for awhile.

If so, what a pain in the royal kiester.

Nothing is easy!

[Canon GL-2 Guy]

One more thought:

If I install the official version of QT, such as 7.6.6, I cannot play native .m2t files or use MPEG Streamclip with a codec such as AVdn at all.

Yes, I can see Quicktime within Premiere Pros export movie settings however Avids Codec does not show.

If I install QT Alt 1.81 I can:

a) Play .m2t files
b) Use MPEG Streamclip
c) Transcode with Avids HD codec.
d) Convert between file formats

Seems to me that 7.6.6 (freebie version) is very limited.