Subtitle help please - dvd episodes to xvid

[reakt]

Hi guys,

I am trying to convert a dvd containing 3 episodes to 3 separate avi's. The dvd is structured in such a way that all episodes are part of one large pgc like a main movie. In the main movie there are 16 chapters. I have figured out that chapters 1-5 is episode 1, 6-10 is episode 2 and 11-15 is episode 3. chapter 16 can be ignored.

Now, I can use DVD Decrypter to rip just chapters 1-5 into a folder, then 6-10 into another folder and so on. I then use AutoGK to convert them. In AutoGK I tick on the subtitle track for each episode, however only first episode comes out with hard subs, in the other 2 episodes there are no subs.

Ok, so we go to plan B. I used reauthor mode in DVD shrink to select the 'main movie', then using the set start/end frames thing I select only the chapters which make up episode 2. When I play the vob files in vlc I can select the subtitle track and it works, so its definitely there. When I convert it with AutoGK however, it never comes up.

Ok, so now I'm onto plan C. I rip the entire 'main movie' in one go with DVD Decrypter. I then convert the whole thing with AutoGK. It works great, there are subs all the way through. So now I just want to split the avi into 3 parts. Using VirtualDub I set a selection from frame 0-34824 and save it as an avi. Episode 1 is complete, works great. Then I set a selection from 34824-69660, a total of 34,836 frames for episode 2. I save as an avi. When I check the length with Gspot I have an avi that is 34,913 frames in length. And when I watch it, the first few frames are actually the last few frames of episode 1.

And that's where I call it quits and ask for help. Can anyone please tell me how to either get AutoGK to burn in the subs, or else how I can get VirtualDub to output only the frames I have selected? Thanks

[manono]

By default VDub splits only on keyframes which, typically, are 10 seconds apart. If you can figure out how to Smart Render, then you can split by a specific frame and only the rest of that particular keyframe gets reencoded.

The problem with the subs is that they keep the same timings as originally. If each episode is, for example, 25 minutes long, the first episode's subs begin at the zero mark and are included. The subs for the second episode begin at the 25 minute mark and don't begin until after the episode is over. And so on. The subs for the second and subsequent episodes must be (negatively) delayed by an amount equal to the total time of the episodes that went before. Once you have that taken care of, you can add them into AutoGK using the CTRL-F8 trick.

[lowellriggsiam]

You might converting your dvd to iso and then fairusewizard.

[sambat]

Select a chapter with DVD Shrink and save to a folder.
Use the likes of ReJig in IFO mode to extract the .sup file.
The subtitle times reflect the original DVD.
In SubtitleCreator, load the original IFO file to get the palette.
Load the .sup file.
Set the screen as PAL or NTSC to view the subs - the subs time is now relative to the video clip.
Save as Vob/Sub format.
Load the IDX file from SubTitleCreator in AGK (Ctrl F8 to use external subs - don't check the subs listed in the subtitle box, they have the wrong times)

[manono]

Clever, sambat. One thing, though; each episode consists of 5 chapters. Does that make a difference in getting the SUP file using ReJig (or PGCDemux)?

If not, would it be easier to do what he's doing and then get the SUP file from the DVD Decrypter generated episode directly, rather than going through the DVD Shrink step?

[sambat]

As long as the ripped chapters are in the same Title it makes no difference - I used DVD Shrink because the part I wanted involved two and a half chapters..
I don't doubt that DVD Decrypter would work - I just haven't tried it.

[rickydavao]

Does AutoGK allow for adding subs from an external file? If so, then you could always use VSRip to rip the DVD subs to sub/idx format. VSRip allows you to extract the subs much the same way that DVD Decrypter allows you to rip individual chapters (or sets of chapters). By default, VSRip will highlight all the chapters in the IFO file for ripping - you have to manually select the chapters that you want ripped (same way as you would in DVD Decrypter), and VSRip will automatically reset the sub timing to the first chapter selected for you. This might be the easiest way to accomplish what you need, as long as AutoGK supports it. If you need any help with getting VSRip to do what you need it to do, just let me know.

Oh, and there's a reason why your 2nd and 3rd episodes are coming up with no subs. (This is educated guesswork on my part, but I'm pretty sure it's correct). Let's say the total length of time of the PGC was 90 minutes, and each episode was 30 minutes. You rip each episode with DVD Decrypter by specifying the chapters to rip (as you have mentioned above). Each ripped episode of 30 minutes will only have the subtitles for that specific episode in its IFO file. However, the timing of the subs doesn't change. That is, the subs for the second episode will begin only after 30 minutes, so the 1st subtitle might begin at, say, 32:05. But your episode is only 30 minutes long, so the subs begin after your episode is finished. This is why they don't show up in your final avi file. When you rip them using VSRip, VSRip resets the timing of the subs. So in my above example, instead of beginning at 32:05, the first subtitle will now begin at 2:05 as it should.

There might be other ways of accomplishing what you need to do, but I think this might be the easiest way to do it. Just my 2 cents.

[manono]

Does AutoGK allow for adding subs from an external file?

Yes, via the CTRL-F8 trick.

...and VSRip will automatically reset the sub timing to the first chapter selected for you.

Thanks, that's good to know.

Oh, and there's a reason why your 2nd and 3rd episodes are coming up with no subs.

I already explained that in my first reply.

There might be other ways of accomplishing what you need to do, but I think this might be the easiest way to do it.

I think I agree. Thanks again.

[rickydavao]

Oh, and there's a reason why your 2nd and 3rd episodes are coming up with no subs.

I already explained that in my first reply.

Oops ... my bad. I should have taken more time to read through the entire post, so I missed your explanation. If it's OK by you, though, I'll leave that part in for now just for the sake of continuity with the last couple of sentences of that paragraph. I'm just happy if my suggestion works out for the OP, and if anyone else will find it useful

[sambat]

@rickydavao
I've tried VSRIP in the past but could never get it to reset the time to the first selected chapter.

[rickydavao]

@rickydavao
I've tried VSRIP in the past but could never get it to reset the time to the first selected chapter.

In VSRip, on the 2nd page (after the 1st page where you select your input source and output destination), you have your Extraction Settings. If you look at the far right of the page, you will see 3 vertical checkboxes - the first is "Reset time at the first selected cell". Make sure this is checked. You don't need to extract closed caption (if there is any), so uncheck this, as it tends to clutter your output folder (it checks by default if it finds closed captions). Then, under "Vob/Cell IDs", click on the first chapter you need to extract (in your case, for example, for the second episode, it would be chapter 6) to highlight it. Then, while holding down the shift key, press the down arrow key to complete highlighting all the chapters you need to extract from (in your case, you will have selected chapters 6-10), then release the shift key. Finally, click "Next" to extract your subs.

[manono]

If it's OK by you, though, I'll leave that part in for now just for the sake of continuity with the last couple of sentences of that paragraph.

Sure.

I'm just happy if my suggestion works out for the OP, and if anyone else will find it useful

I find it useful, and as a Mod at the GK/AutoGK Forum at Doom9 I've seen this problem pop up quite a bit over the years. Having an easy solution (although I haven't yet personally tested it out) should help out quite a few people. Now I just hope reakt tests out your solution and reports back.

[sambat]

"

Reset time at the first selected cell".

If I have chapters 1 2 3 and select chapter 2 and check the reset box, chapter 2 takes on the times of chapter 1 - but these are the times of the original DVD, not the absolute times required by AutoGK.

[reakt]

Thanks very much everyone for your explanations and tips. What you say about the subs being offset compared to the original movie timing makes sense, but I don't understand how vlc can play it with the correct timings?

Anyway, sitll no luck for me. First I ripped the subs with VSRip, but AutoGK gives me the error:
Avisynth open failure: TextSub: Can't open "C:\Subs\VSRip\VTS_01_0.sub" (C:\agk_tmp\Act32-vsripsubs_movie.avs, line 23)

The I ripped the subs with Rejig and converted from sup to sub in SubtitleCreator. AutoGK gives the same error:
Avisynth open failure: TextSub: Can't open "C:\Subs\SubtitleCreator\subs.sub" (C:\agk_tmp\Act32-stcsubs_movie.avs, line 23)

If I load the subs into vlc while playing a video, the ones created with SubtitleCreator work. The subs ripped with VSRip don't work - I can select a language, but no subs actually display.

Now if I open the subs I made with SubtitleCreator in SubtitleCreator I get the error:
Error reading subtitle number 1. (Index was outside the bounds of the array.)

If I open the subs I made with VSRip in SubtitleCreator I get the error:
Error reading subtitle number 1. (Input string was not in a correct format.)

Any ideas? Thanks

Edit: Just having a look at the idx files in a text editor and it seems the one created with VSRip still has timings for the original main movie - the first sub doesn't display until after the end of the video. I tried with 'Reset time at first selected cell' both on and off, no difference. Probably why it doesn't work in vlc

[manono]

Anyway, sitll no luck for me. First I ripped the subs with VSRip, but AutoGK gives me the error:
Avisynth open failure: TextSub: Can't open "C:\Subs\VSRip\VTS_01_0.sub" (C:\agk_tmp\Act32-vsripsubs_movie.avs, line 23)

Use the drop-down box to open IDX/SUB. The SUB files for Textsub are the text-based ones, not what you have.

I can't comment about the timings, because I haven't tested myself. I'm only trying to fix your will-not-open error.

[reakt]

Anyway, sitll no luck for me. First I ripped the subs with VSRip, but AutoGK gives me the error:
Avisynth open failure: TextSub: Can't open "C:\Subs\VSRip\VTS_01_0.sub" (C:\agk_tmp\Act32-vsripsubs_movie.avs, line 23)

Use the drop-down box to open IDX/SUB. The SUB files for Textsub are the text-based ones, not what you have.

I can't comment about the timings, because I haven't tested myself. I'm only trying to fix your will-not-open error.

I didn't even look at the drop down box! I see now it says Text Subs or Vob Subs. It's encoding now with the subs done with Rejig/Subtitle Creator. Will let you all know how it turns out. Thanks once again!

[manono]

Also, after getting everything loaded up you can run the Preview to have a look. No subs in Preview, no subs in AVI.

[reakt]

Also, after getting everything loaded up you can run the Preview to have a look. No subs in Preview, no subs in AVI.

That's handy, I've never used the preview in AutoGK before.

Well it's finished encoding and we have success! Thanks manono, sambat and rickydavao for your help and suggestions