conversion or different editor...

[krohm]

i have multiple different formats of varying degrees of quality ranging from 320 240 4:3 to 1920 1080p 16:9 23.976 frame hd.
the only video editor that i am able to load all of the footage in and frame to frame cut the hd footage is powerdirector, i also have videoredo for editing a lot of the 1080i footage. (used magix, vegas, pinnacle, corel, premiere and maybe others)

so while im working on something else i was trying to convert with powerdirector at the end of the editing process, and found it is very limited in terms of being able to set the video bit rate, the exact resolution, frame rate etc etc.

my question is how am i to work with all this different resolution, ratio, quality variations of all this footage and still be able to output to the maximum of any of the footage, without losing quality without losing frame rate but still being able to switch between pal and ntsc and various frame rates, aspect ratios and resolutions. so the final output can be a range of video qualitys from 320x240 to 1080p. is this possible., i imagine it would be, but then in the conversion process, unless maybe with a bluray output, there would always be quality loss at that point. can someone advise on some of this, i may have posted this before and someone had suggested using neoscene to convert to lossless avi to load that into any editor, but then i would be working with massive ammounts of data and the output would start reducing massively even if i was to output to bluray. not sure where to go from here....

[poisondeathray]

You question is a bit too vague and general, so I will answer with a similar style. Premiere will work, your sequence settings depend on what you input formats are, and what your desired output goal is. You can export multiple types of files, custom settings etc...

[krohm]

but can it frame to frame cut all different formats.. i tried i couldnt get it working with all of the video i have. i use videoredo for the 1080i hd but a lot of the other hd footage cannot be loaded in premiere and vegas. powerdirector was the only editor that would load everything.

[poisondeathray]

premiere can load anything, and if it can't do it natively, you can use the .avs import plugin (basically if you can play it on your computer, you can load it into premiere via avisynth frameserver)

I'm not sure what you mean by "frame to frame cut?" All NLE's do frame accurate cuts.

You have to provide more information on the type of files that "cant be loaded" e.g. use mediainfo

Also what version of premiere?

[krohm]

im not sure this was a long time ago, i hadnt tried loading with avs import plugin/avisynth. so was trying other programs to see what could load anything and powerdirector was the only one. if premiere can truly load anything and can sequence different resolutions, formats, frame rates etc. this is exactly what i need. might give it another try

[krohm]

ok, ive been playing around with premiere cs5 and am wanting to load any bluray clips edited with tpse into premiere to frame cut them.

it seems even if i decode the dts into wav's then load them individually this will not allow me to use multiple frame cuts very easily with multiple multiple bluray clips. ild be encoding and reencoding every clip before loading it into the editor before editing. this would be absolutely ridiculous so im abandoning my use of dts.

so i guess im probably going to have to convert the audio from these clips to ac3 with eac3to and just frame cut them from there with the ac3 instead of dts.
that fcking sucks but there doesnt seem to be any easy way to edit these clips. now how am i to load the bluray video clips to premiere. i need to use avisynth for every clip. i have no idea how to use this.

i wish a program could just load all video and frame cut the audio and video just like totalvideoredo but with all clips. it could use ffdshow to load the video. but no that would be logical easy and what every single person would want. so thats not going to happen. so im stuck with these weird obscure programs to work with this material. greaaat.

so how do i use avisynth to load bluray clips ive clipped up with tpse.... i have no idea

i need someone who knows what their doing to walk me through the start of this procedure so i can tackle the 100's of hours of footage i have.
this is going to be such a drawn out procedure im tempted to scrap it all. but alas hopefully i can get some help on how to load these clips with avisynth and i can just go about the process slowly.

rip with tpse, reencode the audio to ac3 with eac3to. then load into premiere with aviysnth and frame to frame edit the clips from there and compile it all from there.. so how do i do this last part, the avisynth loading to premiere... can i get some help on this....

[guns1inger]

Very few editors edit DTS audio because frankly they are not designed to edit footage form commercial bluray discs. In the world of the target audience for Premiere, Vegas etc, DTS is something you encode to at the end of the process. At no point during the editing do you work with DTS clips.

I have no idea what you mean by your terms "frame to frame editing" and "multiple frame cuts". They makes no sense and are not standard terms. You need to explain your intent more clearly, or read some basic editing books to get the correct terminology.

[krohm]

i mean from one frame to another frame editing, like in totalvideoredo. you select where u want to clip the start, then select the end frame, and that is your cut. multiple frame cuts would be many of those types of frame editing.

my quetion is about avisynth, how do i use avisynth to load bluray clips so i can frame to frame cut these clips more accurately and compile an end result from all the frame cuts.

[guns1inger]

Again, not exactly the way Premiere etc are designed to be used. If that is the type of editing youu want to do then VideoRedo is a much better option.

That said, avisynth is a script based frameserver. You write a simple script in notepad,save it with a .avs extension, then load this file instead of the original video file.

A few things you need to note :

Premiere needs an avs plugin to load avisynth scripts
Avisynth passes uncompressed video and audio to the client (in this case Premiere) so you will have to re-encode everything once you have finished editing
You will have to use some avisynth audio plugins to output 6 channel audio from your original DTS audio

If you know which frames you want to cut on, you can use avisynth's Trim() statement to actually do most of your editing for you.

[krohm]

so premiere can load the dts with avisynth?
how can i go about this?

how do i load bluray clips with avisynth and premiere.... how do i use avisynth's trim statement... i have no idea how to use avisynth and where to begin....

how will the reencode at the end be? ive heard premiere doesnt reencode all that well...

[poisondeathray]

so premiere can load the dts with avisynth?
how can i go about this?

how do i load bluray clips with avisynth and premiere.... how do i use avisynth's trim statement... i have no idea how to use avisynth and where to begin....

how will the reencode at the end be? ive heard premiere doesnt reencode all that well...

official avisynth import plugin doesn't work with cs5, because it's 64-bit and avisynth is 32-bit (most plugins are 32-bit as well)

there are beta avisynth build's and 64-bit plugins , and beta avisynth import plugin for cs5, but it doesn't work too well in premiere (64-bit avisynth is developing nicely however).
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=152800
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=100068

The CS4 avisynth import plugin is very stable , but 32-bit only, and works with official avisynth
http://videoeditorskit.sourceforge.net/

You could load the dts with ffaudiosource() or nicdtssource() . But you need to learn avisynth basics first
http://avisynth.org/mediawiki/Main_Page

Trim is easy to use
http://avisynth.org/mediawiki/Trim

e.g. Trim(50,100) would cut frames 50-100

Premiere can open the video directly from m2ts , but will not read audio like HD audio (DTSMA, True-HD) . I would use videoredo beta for your cutting if it works

You could load audio in avisynth, or convert to wav to load in separately instead

You can re-encode at the end with whatever you want. If Premiere doesn't include it, you can export uncompressed then use another encoder. I often do this because I don't like Premiere's Mainconcept AVC Encoder. You could also use x264vfw directly, but I don't like that either (buggy and slow)

[krohm]

dam, sounds like i need to learn avisynth to work with this material.

i use videoredo for a lot of the video i have, blurays dont load though so it seems i will need to use premiere with avisynth

ill try cs4 32bit with avisynth and see how i go

[poisondeathray]

avisynth is very powerful, it has a myriad of plugins that do many many processing tasks. It's well worth you time to start learning the basics at some point

For loading it can be as easy as a 1 line script. You load that .avs file as a "proxy" for your video and/or audio. It's really not that difficult. There are even batch scripting tools to auto generate scripts in a directory for example

It might be easier just to swap the audio out to wav (e.g. use eac3to ) and use tsmuxer to mux the wav back into the .m2ts .