Problem: DVDShrink > DVDDecrypter - Layer Break Issue?

[Dave Stewart]

Hi, I've done a search of the forum but couldn't find an answer to my exact problem.

I'm trying to backup a long movie (Example: Star Trek 2009, Invictus, or Kingdom Of Heaven - take your pick) using DVDShrik to create a movie only ISO with no compression and then burn it onto a DL disc.

Step 1. DVDShrink (with AnyDVD in the background) works fine to create the ISO.

- I have "remove layer break" checked in the DVDShrink settings.

Step 2. I then use DVDDecrypter to burn the ISO to DL disc.

- Setting: Layer Break > "Calculate Optimal" is selected
- Setting: Verify After Write > Checked (and verification passed)

Step 3. When I play any of those backup discs playback in my DVD player, playback stops half way through the movie.

- I can hit fast forward for just one second and play resumes normally and continues to the end.


A. Is the problem in the ripping - DVDShrink?

If so, what can I use to rip just the movie? And what's the easiest tool to burn said rip?

B. Or, is the problem in the burning - DVDDecrypter?

If so, what's the best tool to burn a DL DVDShrink ISO with a working layer break?


Thanks so much for your help!

[Moontrash]

Dvd Decrypter is obsolete on doing DL burns anymore. Use IMGburn...it's got a super easy walkthrough to set the layer break.

Dont use Dvdshrink if your gna ISO a disc, use DVD decrypter itself or find a copy of Ripit4ME(runs dvd decrypter in the background) and set it to ISO

[hech54]

Dvd Decrypter is obsolete

...and so is DVDShrink....and so is RipIt4Me.

[hech54]

Step 1. DVDShrink (with AnyDVD in the background) works fine to create the ISO.

Why? Just use AnyDVD to create the ISO.

I have "remove layer break" checked in the DVDShrink settings.

Why?

[Dave Stewart]

Dvd Decrypter is obsolete on doing DL burns anymore. Use IMGburn...it's got a super easy walkthrough to set the layer break.

Dont use Dvdshrink if your gna ISO a disc, use DVD decrypter itself or find a copy of Ripit4ME(runs dvd decrypter in the background) and set it to ISO

Thanks, I will start to use IMGburn to burn DL from now on.

1. Is my problem the burn?

2. How to I get just the movie* with DVDDecrypter (or Ripit4ME) + IMGBurn?


* By "just the movie" I mean that I prefer no menus at all; no special features; no closed caption; no foreign language audio.
I'll setting for the main movie with all audios and closed captions, if I have to.

This is SUPER easy to do all of the above with DVDShrink; but if it's not difficult to do with DVDDecrypter/DVDFabDecrypter/Ripit4me I'd be willing to try it.

[Dave Stewart]

Step 1. DVDShrink (with AnyDVD in the background) works fine to create the ISO.

Why? Just use AnyDVD to create the ISO.

I have "remove layer break" checked in the DVDShrink settings.

Why?

Can AnyDVD create an ISO with just the movie?

-

Why? because that's what the guide that I followed told me... and, that's what MANY of the threads I've read also suggest.

Dvd Decrypter is obsolete

...and so is DVDShrink....and so is RipIt4Me.

So what do you suggest to get just the movie?

[Bonie81]

@ Dave Stewart

i hv been using DVDShrink for a while, i just checked my settings for DVDShrink ( i did not even checked "remove layer break" setting), but worked fine for me for DVD ---> ISO and Imgburn to burn ISO ---> DL. All my DL backup worked fine on all major branded DVD player so far, as i know.

Can we create an ISO with AnyDVD?

[Dave Stewart]

@ Dave Stewart

i hv been using DVDShrink for a while, i just checked my settings for DVDShrink ( i did not even checked "remove layer break" setting), but worked fine for me for DVD ---> ISO and Imgburn to burn ISO ---> DL. All my DL backup worked fine on all major branded DVD player so far, as i know.

Can we create an ISO with AnyDVD?

AnyDVD Ripper will rip the entire DVD to a VIDEO_TS folder - like DVDDecrypter's File mode... except yo ucan't select just the "main movie" files, you must rip the entire disc.

AnyDVD Image Ripper will rip the entire DVD to an ISO file (not sure if it creates the MDS file like DVDDecrypter does) - like DVDDecrypter's ISO Read mode.

There are no options and no way to rip 'main movie only' with AnyDVD.

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So, the conclusion so far is that ImgBurn is best for burning an ISO (when you have an MDS file?) and best for "Building" a DVD from a VIDEO_TS folder.

I'm still interested in the best way to RIP the ISO/VIDEO_TS folder to end up with a) just the main movie and b) a DL disc that does not stop half way through (presumably @ the layer break).

Here are the options we have to choose from so far:

1. DVDShrink can create an ISO (no MDS file) with just the movie... but can it be the cause of the playback stoppage noted above?

2. DVDDecrypter/AnyDVD Ripper to get a VIDEO_TS folder -> DVDShrink to eliminate all the junk and create an ISO file (no MDS file still).

3. (MAYBE) DVDDecrypter to get a VIDEO_TS folder with just the main movie in it... I'm not sure how ImgBurn will handle this or if there are still some extra files, like foreign language audio and sub pictures that get burned.


- What other tool can eliminate all the junk and prepare an ISO or VIDEO_TS folder for ImgBurn, besides DVDShrink?

- Besides DVDShrink, how to shrink 5GB's of movie onto a 4.7 DVD?

- Does ImgBurn's Build function allow you to eliminate menus, audio tracks, and sub pictures before burning? Answering my own question for other folks... No, you can't.

...

I'm starting the think DVDShrink isn't the problem, since ImgBurn will determine/create the layer break for an ISO created by DVDShrink.

[Moontrash]

If you want an ISO of your Disc...here's the process

Run anydvd in the background while using Dvd Decrypter or Ripit4me (front end for dvd decrypter)

set it to "ISO mode"

set the output (where you want to put the ISO file)

hit burn or Go

Here's the DL burn method for Imgburn using an ISO

open up the app and click on the "burn image to disc" button

set the write speed

click burn or go

done


hech54, my point was imgburn is just an extension of Dvd Decrypter and does DL burns with much easier understanding and a better interface. Dvd Shrink is obsolete in terms of copy protection removal but it works fine in terms of ripping in general. Pretty sure it's still the most used ripping app around...ya think?

Ripit4Me works better than any of em cause it goes a step further by removing bogus vts and if enabled, runs FixVTS in the background by cleaning things up. Don't know of any AIO app that does that to this day. It is obsolete on removing copy protection also...but thats anydvd's job now, isn't it? or maybe Dvdfabdecrypter? or Dvd43?

[Dave Stewart]

If you want an ISO of your Disc...here's the process

Run anydvd in the background while using Dvd Decrypter or Ripit4me (front end for dvd decrypter)

set it to "ISO mode"

set the output (where you want to put the ISO file)

hit burn or Go

Here's the DL burn method for Imgburn using an ISO

open up the app and click on the "burn image to disc" button

set the write speed

click burn or go

done

You are describing the process to copy the entire disc.

I'm trying to copy the MAIN MOVIE ONLY to a DL disc WITHOUT my DVD player stopping in the middle of the movie and forcing me to press fast forward to get it moving again.

hech54, my point was imgburn is just an extension of Dvd Decrypter and does DL burns with much easier understanding and a better interface. Dvd Shrink is obsolete in terms of copy protection removal but it works fine in terms of ripping in general. Pretty sure it's still the most used ripping app around...ya think?

Ripit4Me works better than any of em cause it goes a step further by removing bogus vts and if enabled, runs FixVTS in the background by cleaning things up. Don't know of any AIO app that does that to this day. It is obsolete on removing copy protection also...but thats anydvd's job now, isn't it? or maybe Dvdfabdecrypter? or Dvd43?

So, if DVDShrink is "fine in terms of ripping" and I have AnyDVD handling the copy protection, I should be able to use ImgBurn to Write the ISO that DVDShrink creates... and it should work fine because (unlike DVDDecrypter's Write function) ImgBurn is MUCH better at creating a proper layer break.


Step 1. DVDShrink (+ AnyDVD in the background) - removes junk and creates ISO

Step 2. ImgBurn - Write's the ISO to the DL disc with a working layer break

Does that sound correct?


Note: DVDFab Decrypter seems to handle both items in Step 1. DVDShrink is just easier to understand visually, IMO. RipIt4Me sounds like an interesting option as well, but I know very little about it.

[Bonie81]

@ Dave Stewart

Thanks for the reply for AnyDVD that can rip entire movie to ISO. In case of DL, I would rather prefer to back-up entire DVD.
I did not knew that AnyDVD can create ISO for entire DVD. Thanks!

As you said in your last reply...
ImgBurn is MUCH better at creating a proper layer break.

Step 1. DVDShrink (+ AnyDVD in the background) - removes junk and creates ISO
Step 2. ImgBurn - Write's the ISO to the DL disc with a working layer break
Does that sound correct?

Yeah, it sounds correct if you wanna remove junks and backup only movie from DVD.
Personally, I never used DVDFab, but few of my other friends LOVE DVDFab or CloneDVD, they normally back-up their original collection on DVD-5, movie only without junks. You may try DVDFab or CloneDVD before you decide to buy. I guess they should offer minimum 3 DVD backup at-least or minimum 7 days trial.

Further more to step -2
Step 2. ImgBurn - Write's the ISO to the DL disc with a working layer break
After going thru' your thread and posts, I just checked ImgBurn settings too!
It seems Layer Break on General DVD-R DL setting in General--->Page 1--->Dislpay Warning is already checked by default. I could not find any other setting for DVD-R DL, particularly Read, Write or I/O.

I guess, this setting is only for Warning purpose, nothing to do with actual process of burning DVD-R DL. ImgBurn might be taking care of DL automatically while burning.

Thanks for the reply

[lmurp02]

Here is my solution:
1. Use DVD Decrypter to create an ISO file.

2. Open the ISO file with DVD Shrink. The steps are:
A. Click File, select "Open Disc Image"
B. After the image has loaded, select "Re-author" from the menu/task bar.
C. Drag & drop the main movie (or whatever elements you wish to burn) from the DVD Browser column (right side of window) to the DVD Structure column (left side of window). Use playback in the preview screen on the bottom left to be sure you have the right element.
D.Click the Compression Settings tab and make sure you select "No Compression"
E. Click "Backup" in the menu/taskbar.
F. In the popup window, use the dropdown menu under "Target Device" select "Create ISO file" then choose where to put it.
This will give you an ISO of only the movie. Usually this will not be big enough to require a double layer disc, but it might.

3. Use IMGBurn to burn the ISO to a disc. If you need to set a layer break, use IMGBurn, it should prompt you before burning.

I hope this is helpful. Good Luck

[guns1inger]

Here is my solution:
1. Use DVD Decrypter to create an ISO file.

Why ? DVD Shrink can open folders

[hech54]

This is what happens when the WRONG people reply first. This thread is SO full of misinformation I don't even know where to begin.

[budz]

This is what happens when the WRONG people reply first. This thread is SO full of misinformation I don't even know where to begin.

@hech54! I totally agree with you on that....reading this thread serious made me hysterically!

[Dave Stewart]

Alright... I've figured it out.

You can do all basic backups with DVDFab Decrypter and ImgBurn.

To get the best possible layer break for dual-layer discs (full discs or a 'main movie only' that's bigger than 4.7GB) you MUST rip the source DVD to a VIDEO_TS folder.

If you use DVDShrink to create an ISO file, ImgBurn WILL NOT be able to create a layer-break. You MUST use raw files and then use ImgBurn to "Build" the DVD and calculate a layer-break for you.

So, to answer my own original question:

"How do I backup a long movie (Example: Star Trek 2009, Invictus, or Kingdom Of Heaven - take your pick) (movie only) with no compression and then burn it onto a DL disc with a working layer break?"

Step 1. Use DVDFab to rip the 'main movie only' to a VIDEO_TS folder, setup for DVD9 (ie. no compression).

Step 2. Use ImgBurn to "Build" the DVD using the VIDEO_TS folder. (ImgBurn will offer suggestions for the best possible layer-break.)


That's it... just two steps.

Thanks to everyone who suggested ImgBurn! It rocks when you know what inputs it needs and how to use it.

---

You can also use DVDFab & ImgBurn to backup whole discs and to compress a long/big movie to fit on a single-layer disc.

The two biggest lessons are:

1. If you're buring onto a dual-layer disc, you NEED a layer break.

2. In order to get ImgBurn to create a layer break, you need to rip the movie/disc to raw files to a VIDEO_TS folder - not an ISO.

[Seeker47]

Dvd Decrypter is obsolete

...and so is DVDShrink....and so is RipIt4Me.

I still like these older tools, and continue using them -- with good results. It depends what you use them on, how you use them, and what you use them with. Either Fab or AnyDVD would be needed for ripping titles of today or the last few years. ImgBurn is going to be the best choice for burning, and probably the only choice for burning DL. But, if you've already ripped something successfully, I don't see any reason why Shrink is not still a viable choice for selecting what you want to keep, or doing some compression. The elegant design and quick usability of that program has rarely been equaled. If you're moving on to working with Blu-Ray, I expect it would fall out of consideration, but otherwise . . . .

[freebird73717]

I think hech54 was referring to dvdshrinks disc decrypting features being obsolete....

[hech54]

I think hech54 was referring to dvdshrinks disc decrypting features being obsolete....

.....that and I would still trust burning a DVD with DVDDecrypter more than something like Nero or Roxio any day.

[MOVIEGEEK]

Man there's a lot of misinformation in this thread(veterans excluded):
If you want to rip just the main movie(without compression) then either DVDShrink or DVDFab Decrypter will work, just make sure you select DVD-9 in Preferences. You can make an ISO with either but I recommend outputting to a folder, the reason is you need a MDS file for burning an ISO. The MDS file tells the burn software where to put the layer break on a DL disc.

When you rip with DVDDecrypter it will provide an MDS file, when you rip with anything else output to a folder.

Burning with Imgburn in Build mode is recommended for DL because you can select where to put the layer break.
You can use DVDDecrypter to burn but again you need an MDS file which DVDShrink or DVDFab cannot provide.

[hech54]

Man there's a lot of misinformation in this thread(veterans excluded):
Burning with Imgburn in Build mode is recommended for DL because you can select where to put the layer break.

Misinformation ndeed.....since Build Mode isn't necessary. ImgBurn knows when you are burning "files or folders to a disc" that what you selected contains DVD video and also pops up a layer break selection window(if necessary) before proceeding....no need for Build Mode.
Never used Build Mode myself.....ever.

[lordsmurf]

Oh, ffs.

1. AnyDVD for the protection/errors.
2. DVD Decrypter to get it off the disc and onto the hard drive. (Opening a disc in DVD Shrink sucks -- it takes forever.)
3. DVD Shrink to re-author however you want. (Main Movie only, etc)
4. ImgBurn to burn.

-OR-

1. DVDFab Decrypter to get it off the disc and onto the hard drive. (Opening a disc in DVD Shrink sucks -- it takes forever.)
2. DVD Shrink to re-author however you want. (Main Movie only, etc)
3. ImgBurn to burn.

The end.

Yeah, maybe you can do several things in AnyDVD, or several things in DVD Shrink, or several things in DVD Fab, but I really don't like how those programs work for those tasks. The above two methods are easiest for me. You can't use just one program anyway.

[MOVIEGEEK]

Heck54,
In my experience Build mode gives me more control and is recommended by Lightning UK, if Write mode works for you then more power to you.


http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?showtopic=4643

[hech54]

Heck54,
In my experience Build mode gives me more control and is recommended by Lightning UK, if Write mode works for you then more power to you.


http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?showtopic=4643

That guide is from 11 June 2006 man....get with the program....ImgBurn is much smarter now.
"Let it go man....let it go"

[Dave Stewart]

Dvd Decrypter is obsolete

...and so is DVDShrink....and so is RipIt4Me.

I still like these older tools, and continue using them -- with good results. It depends what you use them on, how you use them, and what you use them with. Either Fab or AnyDVD would be needed for ripping titles of today or the last few years. ImgBurn is going to be the best choice for burning, and probably the only choice for burning DL. But, if you've already ripped something successfully, I don't see any reason why Shrink is not still a viable choice for selecting what you want to keep, or doing some compression. The elegant design and quick usability of that program has rarely been equaled. If you're moving on to working with Blu-Ray, I expect it would fall out of consideration, but otherwise . . . .

I LOVE Shrink (and Decrypter)... love it love it love it.

But, when the resulting ISO is bigger than DVD5, you have a layer break issue. (notice the title of this thread "layer break issue").

If you use Shrink to create an ISO that is bigger than DVD5, ImgBurn (or any burn tool) will not be able to create an optimal layer break - or add one, if you're removed the layer break with Shrink.)

[Dave Stewart]

Man there's a lot of misinformation in this thread(veterans excluded):
If you want to rip just the main movie(without compression) then either DVDShrink or DVDFab Decrypter will work, just make sure you select DVD-9 in Preferences. You can make an ISO with either but I recommend outputting to a folder, the reason is you need a MDS file for burning an ISO. The MDS file tells the burn software where to put the layer break on a DL disc.

When you rip with DVDDecrypter it will provide an MDS file, when you rip with anything else output to a folder.

Burning with Imgburn in Build mode is recommended for DL because you can select where to put the layer break.
You can use DVDDecrypter to burn but again you need an MDS file which DVDShrink or DVDFab cannot provide.

"You can make an ISO with either"...

But when you do, you will NOT be able to set the layer break in ImgBurn.

So, your "recommended" output (a folder) is the ONLY way to allow ImgBurn to set the layer break.

IF you try to burn an ISO with ImgBurn, it does not ask you for layer break info.

You MUST rip the DVD to a folder in order to do that.

[Dave Stewart]

Man there's a lot of misinformation in this thread(veterans excluded):
Burning with Imgburn in Build mode is recommended for DL because you can select where to put the layer break.

Misinformation ndeed.....since Build Mode isn't necessary. ImgBurn knows when you are burning "files or folders to a disc" that what you selected contains DVD video and also pops up a layer break selection window(if necessary) before proceeding....no need for Build Mode.
Never used Build Mode myself.....ever.

You get the layer break window when you select "Burn" and select an ISO????

What settings allows this?

By default, if you burn an ISO in ImgBurn, it will not ask for layer break info... it will use the info that is supposed to be in the ISO.

[Dave Stewart]

Oh, ffs.

1. AnyDVD for the protection/errors.
2. DVD Decrypter to get it off the disc and onto the hard drive. (Opening a disc in DVD Shrink sucks -- it takes forever.)
3. DVD Shrink to re-author however you want. (Main Movie only, etc)
4. ImgBurn to burn.

-OR-

1. DVDFab Decrypter to get it off the disc and onto the hard drive. (Opening a disc in DVD Shrink sucks -- it takes forever.)
2. DVD Shrink to re-author however you want. (Main Movie only, etc)
3. ImgBurn to burn.

The end.

Yeah, maybe you can do several things in AnyDVD, or several things in DVD Shrink, or several things in DVD Fab, but I really don't like how those programs work for those tasks. The above two methods are easiest for me. You can't use just one program anyway.

If you use Shrink to create an ISO for a DL disc, you WILL NOT have a proper layer break.

You will NOT be able to create one in ImgBurn, from an ISO.


You're instructions work fine for buring to single layer discs.

I use DVDShrink and DVDDecrypter for SL discs.

But, FOR DL DISCS, you MUST have a proper layer break...

The easiest way to do that is what I've stated above.

[MOVIEGEEK]

You get the layer break window when you select "Burn" and select an ISO????

What settings allows this?

By default, if you burn an ISO in ImgBurn, it will not ask for layer break info... it will use the info that is supposed to be in the ISO.

I was wondering myself what Hech54 was saying but I "let it go".

[hech54]

You get the layer break window when you select "Burn" and select an ISO????

What settings allows this?

By default, if you burn an ISO in ImgBurn, it will not ask for layer break info... it will use the info that is supposed to be in the ISO.

I was wondering myself what Hech54 was saying but I "let it go".

Who mentioned an ISO?
https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/321895-Problem-DVDShrink-DVDDecrypter-Layer-Break-I...=1#post1997190