Tsunami encoder

[mobie29]

Which software, besides the TMPGEnc family, employ the tsunami encoder? I know that DVD Lab offers this.

thanks

[jman98]

I have to ask - are you under some kind of impression that TMPGenc's encoder is the best in the industry? Because it is NOT. It's OKAY. A big OKAY. Do a web search and I doubt you can find even one test that used it where it came in better than than middle of the pack. The free HCenc encoder is free and far superior. TMPGenc is easy to use, but easy does not equal best. I've done some TMPGenc encodes using pristine input sources and very high bit rates (8000 Mbps) for DVD for my own personal use and it STILL had macroblocks on scene changes. I can encode with an old copy of CCE, another better encoder to TMPGenc, at about 4000 Mbps and not get macroblocks. TMPGenc is pretty good for MPEG-1 encodes, but few people need to do that.

I am sorry that I cannot answer your question. I don't use DVD Lab and I had no idea that they supposedly used TMPGenc's encoder. Most of us don't encode with it because with free options like HCenc that do a better job, why would you want to use something worse?

[mobie29]

Jman, thanks for your reply. Please forgive me as i am a novice and i was under the impression that the tsunami encoder was one of the best in the industry. I have been experimenting with different freeware and trialware in converting HD mpeg-2 to SD and have found the TMPGEnc to be the best in my tests.

What would be the steps for a novice to use HCenc for what i am trying to accomplish? My source files contain high motion sequences and i want the best video quality with a smooth picture.

thanks for your reply and help.

[freebird73717]

For a novice to use hcenc I would suggest avs2dvd. It uses hcenc and several other freeware programs to produce a dvd. It does most everything for you.

[Moontrash]

does anyone know what "womble" uses for its encoder? the main reason i Use TMPG(tsunami) is for the authoring..it does a darn good job of it...i know the dvd encoder's quality isnt better than say CCE but i nvr worry since the stuff i use it for is MiniDV tapes...I think AVS2dvd is a good idea but its menu creation is sorta basic...i like to create a decent menu and i know Womble does a decent job also...could it be a decent alternative to TMPG?

btw, thanx for bringign this question up mobie29....something i've always wanted to ask

[freebird73717]

Well if you already own tmpgdvdauthor then you could use avs2dvd to produce your dvd then import it into tmpg and author your new dvd with menu's.

No idea about womble.

[Moontrash]

will it re-encode the AVS2dvd created dvd when i add it to my created menu in tmpg? thats why i asked about womble, it doesnt re-encode

[mobie29]

Moontrash, i believe the encoder used by Womble is the "Main Concept" encoder. The reason i believe this is because on their forum, there was a post trashing the Womble version 5 because of the encoder they were using. The poster made reference to this and this was the genisis of my thread.

I have also used AVStoDVD and i believe that the tsunami encoder produced a better quality video than what AVStoDVD produced in my tests. Also, the AVStoDVD did not like the 5.1 channel audio i was using in my source file, so it received an error message during encoding. It was ok when i used 2 channel AC3 audio and i was able to output successfully.

I use Womble and i know without a doubt that the tsunami encoder is better than what they use. Womble's menu templetes are ok, but you should try the menu templetes in Ulead DVD Movie Factory 6 plus. They have a bigger selection and are much better in my "novice" opinion.

Thoughts??

[mobie29]

will it re-encode the AVS2dvd created dvd when i add it to my created menu in tmpg? thats why i asked about womble, it doesnt re-encode

Moontrash, i do not believe it will be re-encoded with tmpg.

[freebird73717]

No it will no re-encode the dvd. It will just import and then re-author a new dvd with the new menu you have created.

Which encoder did you use when using avs2dvd? It supports quenc and hcenc. My guess is you used quenc. Try avs2dvd again specifying hcenc. As far as why it fails you with the audio I couldn't tell you. I honestly don't use avs2dvd. I prefer to use all it's tools separately and do the job myself. I get more control over the final output that way.

[Moontrash]

thanx for the tips and comments guys...all these questions are sumthin i've always wanted to ask but just never did...Now i'm getting answers. Gives me more options and ideas on what to do.

Main Concept I Believe was one of the original/first encoders and still gets used in Dvd houses to this day. I havent used it before and have only read about it. CCE is what mostly gets mentioned along with HcEnc. I've used HcEnc with Dvd Rebuilder and have gotten excellent results.

I've noticed that the MiniDv avi's i create get a lot of what jman98 mentions, macroblocking, when i use TMPG dvd authoring works...I nvr really cared because to me the vids I create arent of the greatest importance but when this thread popped up, it got me interested in what encoders are used by other applications that are similar.

I think i'm gonna try AVS2dvd with my avi's and see what the results are...it's very good to know that TMPG won't re-encode the AVS2dvd created dvd structure...i hope the results may be a bit better...I've been using TMPG for many many years but am willing to try sumthin new

I think i may have a copy of Ulead around here somewhere, never had the chance to try as TMPG did everything. I'm wondering if theres a post or site that show or has a cross reference into which dvd authoring app uses what encoder. Like...

tmpg DA - tsunami
Dvd Lab - tsunami
Womble - Main Concept
Ulead - ?
Sonic - ?

i think it would give users more options to know what they're encoding with

[usually_quiet]

If you plan to re-author, AVStoDVD provides settings (under "Output) that don't create a DVD file structure. The "Muxed MPEG2 File" and "Elementary MPEG Streams" settings produce files which can be imported into DVD authoring applications, even those that don't accept VOBs.

[_MrC_]

I think i'm gonna try AVS2dvd with my avi's and see what the results are...it's very good to know that TMPG won't re-encode the AVS2dvd created dvd structure...i hope the results may be a bit better...I've been using TMPG for many many years but am willing to try sumthin new

Use 'Elementary Stream' as output. AVStoDVD will create just the m2v+ac3 files to be used by your favourite authoring prog.

For optimal results, be sure you have installed ffdshow and you do not have conflict on directshow filters.



Bye

[Moontrash]

thanx for the tips guys...in the very beginning of this MiniDv avi craze i went thru i would use Canopus to encode my avi files and I would always set the output to .m2v etc...then use tmpg 1.6 to make menus etc...its very good to know that AVS2dvd has the option to output to the elementary stream, as i'm familiar with the process some

i had kazaa lite codec pack installed on my win 7 machine and it gave me issues when i used other avi/dvd type apps so i installed ffdshow and havent had an issues since...i wish they could come up with an all-in-one solution where any app you wanna try would work with all the codecs out there...can be mind numbing trying to get what needs to be installed right lol

[_MrC_]

Be careful if you have Win7, because it forces its own directshow codecs. Take a look at 'Help'/'FAQ'/'General'/'Q1.5' section from AVStoDVD.



Bye

[Moontrash]

thanx for the heads up. I actually installed it last week on my win 7 pc and had all sorts of issues...i guess this codec conflict was the problem...thanx for tip _MrC_