Damage Disc Reading Problem

[Teac23]

Hi

I'm trying to ripp a disc to the hard drive using ImgBurn. There are a few scratched places a round the edge.

It burns up to 96% even tried reading at 1% and i have cleaned the disc. I have ripped from this disc in the past with no problem.

What alternative software would be best to try?

Thanks

[JohnnyBob]

ImgBurn isn't a ripper.

[victoriabears]

If you are trying to rip a commercial disc you need a decrypting software, I suggest dvdfab, if you have something like anydvd already installed imgburn will enable you to copy the decrpyted data to your hard drive, but it sounds like there is a small fault with the physical disc which dvdfab might overcome.

[AlanHK]

ISOpuzzle

[MOVIEGEEK]

ISOBuster

[lordsmurf]

ImgBurn isn't a ripper.

Yes it is.

It reads discs to ISO. It does not remove CSS, however.

[JohnnyBob]

ImgBurn isn't a ripper.

Yes it is.

It reads discs to ISO. It does not remove CSS, however.

Mr. Know-It-All gets it wrong again... By definition a ripper can remove protections. ImgBurn can not remove any protections whatsoever, so it's not a ripper. It's a rudimentary reader although that's not its purpose. As most of us know, ImgBurn is a disc burner.

[Teac23]

Thanks to you all.

[lordsmurf]

ImgBurn isn't a ripper.

Yes it is.

It reads discs to ISO. It does not remove CSS, however.

Mr. Know-It-All gets it wrong again... By definition a ripper can remove protections. ImgBurn can not remove any protections whatsoever, so it's not a ripper. It's a rudimentary reader although that's not its purpose. As most of us know, ImgBurn is a disc burner.

Alright, Mr. Know-Nothing, let's set you straight...

Ripping is the sole process of extracting content from a disc, especially audio and video. To further that definition, "ripping is distinct from simple file copying, in which the source audio/video is not formatted for ease of use in a computer filesystem" --- it doesn't have anything to do with removing copy protection schemes, although many tools do merge those two separate functions.

For example:

• You rip audio from an audio CD because the music has no actual data formatting.
• You rip video to a DVD-Video disc because the formatting is not ideal. For example: from .VOB file set in a VIDEO_TS folder to a singular VOB file; or to extract the data from the UDF/ISO file system bit-for-bit to your Mac HFS+ or Windows NTFS/FAT32 file system
• You rip a CD or DVD as an image to store it for whatever reason (master file for duplication, archived backup, etc).

Ripping has the distinct advantage of initiating read retries on errors, whereas simple operating system file copy schemes barf and give up at the first sign of error.

On the other hand:

• You don't "rip" a tape. (DV, VHS, etc)
• You don't "rip" a file from the internet, from a hard drive, or off a floppy drive.

It's very similar to PAL/NTSC and regions -- two separate topics, even if related. But to discuss them as if they are interchangeable is incorrect, misleading and demonstrates complete lack of knowledge on the topic.

ImgBurn can create images from discs, and is therefore a "ripper" by base definition. However, this is a side function of the software, it's main goal is to be a burning tool. It is also limited to ripping images, as opposed to other extraction types, plus the aforementioned limitation of not being able to break encryption.

ISO Buster, ISO Puzzle, and DVD Fab are more examples of ripping software, although each of them varies in what it can do, and how it does it. AnyDVD is not a ripper, it's a separate tool for bypassing copy protection.

Wikipedia has another good definition:

A DVD ripper is a software program that facilitates copying the content of a DVD to a hard disk drive. They are mainly used to transfer video on DVDs to different formats, to edit or back up DVD content, and for converting DVD video for playback on media players and mobile devices. Some DVD rippers include additional features, such as the ability to decrypt DVDs, remove copy preventions and make disks unrestricted and region-free.

... although their list of software is sparse, mostly well-known tools that do both ripping of content AND removing protections, plus some Chinese junkware probably added via wiki spammers.

"Reading" is a term often applied (and in the case of LightningUK!, I can understand why he has used it!), but it's not a technically accurate term for the process taking place. Reading is only half of the process of ripping, as ripping includes extraction and writing to a new location.

Stop arguing with people that have expertise you lack.

[JohnnyBob]

Absurd. The little lord strikes again with another rip-off from common sense. Everyone knows that "ripping" means "ripping-off" a protected disc, in other words removing the protections. It's stealing, in other words, if you respect copyrights. So go rip-off someone else with your gobbledegook! Nothing you say has any validity.

[t0nee1]

ImgBurn is a burning proggy..If it was a ripping proggy it would still be DVDD...Anyhow, ImgRip just doesn't doesn't sound right!..
JM2.5 cents worth..

[lordsmurf]

Everyone knows that "ripping" means "ripping-off" a protected disc

Bullshit.

That may be the definition in your head, but it's not the etymology of the word.

The term actually pre-dates both audio CD and DVD-Video, but applied equally once those formats came out. It was often used by "hackers" (video game reverse engineering hobbyists) in the 1970s who extracted audio-visual content from the unfriendly storage formats in use. The Commodore 64 was a popular system at the time, so you still see online FAQs and docs that refer to "ripping" this or that. You'll recall that it was this same crowd of engineering/programming techno-geeks that created various tools for ripping CDs and DVDs in later years. For example, DVD Jon didn't make DeCSS to steal content, he wanted to make the data friendly to the Linux OS -- that was his addition to the ripping world.

The "stealing" crowd didn't create the term, although they surely troll the tech. Don't be so naive.

[Constant Gardener]

Had to go to the online edition of the OED for this one. Note the last sentence.

rip, v.1 trans. Computing.

a. To copy (data, esp. digital audio files) from an external source into one's computer, esp. illegally. Hence: to transfer from a CD, DVD, etc., to a hard disk.
With quot. 1982 cf. to rip off 4 at Phrasal verbs 1.
[1982 Business Week 31 May 28/3 The user who rips off (an applications) software program and makes a copy to give a friend is a different class of pirate.] 1988 InfoWorld (Nexis) 27 June S12/4 You could spend all your time running from bulletin board to bulletin board, looking for illegal postings, ripping them into your copy buffer as evidence of evil misdeeds. 1990 Amiga Computing Dec. 122/2 With its help you can hunt down and rip the tunes with ease. 2000 ‘DR. K.’ Compl. Hacker's Handbk. xi. 148 The MP3 scene gained early notoriety through the mass copying and distribution of tracks ‘ripped’ from CDs. 2005 Which? May 48/1 You need a computer to transfer music to an MP3 player once you've ‘ripped’ (copied) it from a CD or downloaded it online.

b. To copy the contents of (a CD, DVD, or other optical medium) in this way. Also: to produce or write (a CD, etc.) by copying files from elsewhere.
2000 Austral. Personal Computer May 71/2 This still allows users to copy and rip CDs for personal use. 2003 Wall St. Jrnl. 16 June R10/4 Verbatim, the disc and CD maker, sells writeable CDs that look like vinyl 45s... Now you can rip a mix CD of your oldies and still have that old-school cachet. 2008 Independent 9 Jan. (Extra section) 9/3 In a recent US court case brought against a file-sharer, the head of litigation at Sony was still equating the act of ripping a CD with stealing, to much amusement from industry commentators.

[lordsmurf]

Everyone knows that "ripping" means "ripping-off" a protected disc,.... It's stealing

the head of litigation at Sony was still equating the act of ripping a CD with stealing, to much amusement from industry commentators.

I was suddenly reminded of this uber-Christian dumbass I knew way back in high school, who insisted I was an evil devil worshipper because he heard me listening to a KISS song, and he insisted it meant that I was a "Knight In Satan's Service". (The same idiot is now an ultraconservative NRA nutjob.)

People need to quit making up things.

[JohnnyBob]

The word rip-off arose from the hippie counter culture of the 1960's, meaning to steal. It was particularly used to describe bad dope, such if you bought a baggie of pot it turned out to be oregano instead. It referred to anything where you were defrauded, bought something that was mis-advertised. Actually it was part of black (*****) slang for a long time before that, which the hippies adopted and thereby made popular in the white culture language. The shorter form rip carries the same connotation, to steal, unless of course you're talking about tearing something apart such as a piece of paper or cloth. PCs hadn't been invented yet, but when they adopted the word rip it carried the underlying basic meaning - to steal. So ripping a disc means to steal it (remove the protection) - always did, always will.

[lordsmurf]

It takes a special kind of dumbass to argue etymology with the OED and other reputable references.

Maybe I'm assuming too much here? I'm sorry. Let's go back a bit further for you:

et·y·mol·o·gy –noun
1. the derivation of a word.
2. an account of the history of a particular word or element of a word.
3. the study of historical linguistic change, esp. as manifested in individual words.

Moving on...

1. Rip-off and ripping are not synonyms.
2. Again, the etymology of "ripping" does not trace back to "rip-off".

On several occasions, it's been likened to ripping a page out of magazine because you wanted to keep something special without keeping the whole magazine. In the same way, the programmers wanted to save out portions of code, instead of keeping the whole program. There was no connotation of theft, then or now.

I'm reminded of another joke:

If there were ever a politician that epitomized the dumbing down of the United States, Palin is the undisputed Queen. (Note for all the Sarah supporters: epitomized is synonym for represented, and synonym means "two words that have the same meaning.")

[JohnnyBob]

Up urs wierdo...
rip = ripping = rip-off = ripping-off = steal = stealing = theft = thieving = fraud = deception
period.

[Supreme2k]

Let me preface this post by saying that I understand the sarcasm and hyperbole in JohnnyBob's joke, but he has taken it way too far to the point where it may seem to some as though he is serious. Hopefully people reading his posts will realize that nobody could possibly be that dense.


For clarification, ripping [u]does not[/i] mean rip-off or stealing. It is noted as a joke directly above by the over-use of equals signs and repetition.


Teac23, if you are still having problems, look up "cleaning disc scratches with toothpaste". It may seem strange, but it often works on those (slightly) scratched discs.

[redwudz]

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