divx 5 will it speed up my encoding?

[svdf]

will divx 5 (pro) speed up my divx avi --> vcd encoding proces???

[KingJohn]

NO !

And it comes with Spywear...

[svdf]

spyware?

[KingJohn]

Yep, when you install the program it tells you that its not free, and you have to agree to install Gator in before you can use it. Un-installing Gator will stop the program from running

Check out http://www.lavasoftusa.com/ for more information on Spywear

[svdf]

ok thanks for the tip, i will uninstall divx 5 and reinstall 4...

[mickboss]

Try http://www.cdrsoft.cc/divx5/ :wink:

[svdf]

ah hehheh and than i think i will try solution 2 first...

thanks

[Innershield]

All I did was clicked on start, run, typed msconfig, and under the startup tab I unchecked the gain trickler box and it doesn't load up any more. Someone let me know if this does not do the same thing

[svdf]

well you know what's strange? i've never seen an ad of this program, and i think that's because i didn't allow it to acces the internet with zonealarm... so maybe that's a solution too...

[KingJohn]

Its not worth the trouble anyway, the codec is rubbish..

[Quan-Time]

how can the new divx 5 codec be shit?? i think you have no idea waht you talkin about.. divx is cool.. note your sig etc?? hmm.. and divx 5 will increase your encoding time, from raw avi -> divx avi.. but not to vcd etc.. its only slight.. but its there., is for me tho!..

[KingJohn]

Waaaaaahhhhhhh

[KingJohn]

Well as a long time user of the "Open source" "DivX" codec(s) I justify my comments based on the real reasons for the release of DivX 5.

Quite a lot of people seam to think that DivX was developed so that movies could pirated, shrank down in size and exchanged freely on the internet. Wake Up !, DivX was developed as an alternative to DVD's, a means of renting people DivX disks for viewing that evening, without the need to return the disk. Your DivX player would refuse to play the disk after the rental period had expired.

However it never took off, for a start it meant people having to purchase DivX players, and at the time they were a lot more expensive that DVD players. But the main stumbling block were the movie makers, who refused to allow there're movies to be released on these disks.

Here we go again, only this time DivX promises that its latest release will help combat piracy, and its new DivX 5 contains Digital rights management, that was developed in consultation with the studio forces behind Movielink and Movies.com. DivX 5 hopes to convince them that its the best way to protect their content.

As a user of the "Freeware" not addwear.. Versions of DivX and other similar types SMR, Codes 1,2,3 Microcrap etc, I have enjoyed this open source technology, which now promises me it will come to and end with release of DivX 5.

No longer Freeware, it costs $30 or a "Gator" included spy, to obtain it free. Yes we can all get rid of Gator, but supporting DivX 5, means we are supporting the new Digital rights management. What will we see next?, Download the latest movie from Grokster, only to see it expire in a few days ?


Many of the improvements are for the content providers only. DivX 5 put a lot of effort into improving the encoding speed so a content provider could encode three to four times faster than for Windows Media Player and create a file that is 41 percent smaller than what earlier versions of DivX produced. Notice it does not mention encoding speeds based on its previous release of DivX 4, yes we can all convert DVD movies into very small DivX files of good quality, but what about the rubbish cam's converted to DivX, and then to VCD mpeg, only to produce a terrible quality VCD.

Lower quality and less content, While there are now 3 widescreen Divx releases, about 99% of them are only pan&scan. No Divx discs contains both widescreen and pan&scan versions of the films or all the extras people are getting used to with DVD. The strong watermark (noise added to the picture to be able to track a VHS-copy) will also result in visible image degradation for some display devices.

However, I guess we will see some hacked versions of DivX 5 eventually, but until then I think I will stick with DivX 4 for the time being.

[Quan-Time]

yadda yadda,, well. SOME (read as "most") of your post was correct.. one or 2 things wrong with it thou.. there is NO divx hardware player.. it what was preposed. the final divx codec and the hardware that you talkin about are different. whinge whinge whinge.. anywyz.. i stick with what i know. i know that divx5 is ok, 4.12 was stable, and 3.11 was still got for a 1st (major) release.

DVD is alwayz far superiour to VCD, we all know this.. why would you vcd a divx?? stoopid idea.. bah, enought yabbering, more recording.

[kmiura182]

It sounds like letmeinforgodsake is confusing DivX with DIVX (Digital Video Express aka DVE).

[Chris X]

Thank u 4 your imformative post about DivX 5..... I did notice it has anti piracy features when I tried 2 encode 1 of my videos 2 VCD 2 play on my stand alone DVD player TMGPenc were unable 2 convert it. It were able 2 b4 I attempted 2 watch the movie in the DivX player that came bundled (integrated really) with the new 5 Codec.

I would like 2 remove this crap from my system and reinstall the older codec. Can u send it 2 me DBX@NFSCheats.com or DoominaLDestrucT@hotmaiL.com

And here is something informative 4 u.. The Older DivX from Circuit City and the internet codec r 2 seperate things. They just have the same name.

[KingJohn]

there is NO divx hardware player..

Wrong !

Circuit City, were selling them. I suggest you do some searching to find out more information. Try a search engine, Im told they are good with things like this.

[KingJohn]

Oh this looks good

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/wces99/divxpress.html

[KingJohn]

And another.. DivX remember not the hacked DivX

As of June 16, 1999 Divx is no longer selling players or adding accounts to their service. Current Divx owners will be able to play Divx discs through June 30, 2001 and DVDs for the life of their player. Each owner will be reimbursed $100 to cover the difference between the Divx model they own and a comparable DVD player. Any Divx discs remaining on shelves are available for $1.99 each.
This document will remain up as a reference for people who want to get straightforward information about the advantages and disadvantages of the Divx format. I would just like to state that for the record, I never have, and never will, own or use a DIVX player. My only sorce of digital movies is the DVD-RAM drive in my computer which I am entirely happy with. I never thought that Divx was a superior form of distributing movies, but that it was a viable alternative to DVD for some people, and the two formats could co-exist if there was enough demand and support for each. There obviously wasn't enough of either.
In addition, a hack of Microsoft's MPEG-4 video codec dubbed "DivX " has been circulating the net. To learn more about the DivX codec, visit

[KingJohn]

It sounds like letmeinforgodsake is confusing DivX with DIVX (Digital Video Express aka DVE).

Did you say DivX or DIVX or DivX ; - )

[KingJohn]

ok thanks for the tip, i will uninstall divx 5 and reinstall 4...

DivX 4.8 Alpha is just as good, if you install this codec it will replace DivX 5 anyway, if you install DivX 5, it will replace 4.8 Alpha.


I did a few tests with "default" settings, not a good test for the ability of each codec as I changed nothing !. Also time shown could be misleading as TMPGEnc was running in the background converting a movie But still....

Movie clip used : Ice age
Quicktime.mov 22.712
Converted to (Cinepak Codec)AVI before test.
Size now 29.552 (2:22)

Load into Vdub 1.49

Saved as DivX 5
Time to convert, 1:15
Size, 19.684
Info from file, 480 x 260, 24 Bits, 3419 Frames, 24.000 Frames/Sec, 138 KB/Sec, DivX codec

Saved as DivX 4.8 Alpha
Time to convert, 5:03
Size, 20.136
Info from file, 480 x 260, 0 Bits, 3419 Frames, 24.000 Frames/Sec, 141 KB/Sec, DivX codec

Saved as MS V1
Time to convert, 1:01
Size, 34.976
Info from file, 480 x 260, 24 Bits, 3419 Frames, 24.000 Frames/Sec, 245 KB/Sec, MS-MPEG4 V1

Saved as MS V2
Time to convert, 1:10
Size, 34.024
Info from file, 480 x 260, 24 Bits, 3419 Frames, 24.000 Frames/Sec, 238 KB/Sec, MS-MPEG4 V2

Saved as MS V3
Time to convert, 1:10
Size, 33.578
Info from file, 480 x 260, 24 Bits, 3419 Frames, 24.000 Frames/Sec, 236 KB/Sec, MS-MPEG4 V3

Saved as Divx Mpeg4 Slow Motion
Time to convert, 1:04
Size,22.228
Info from file, 480 x 260, 24 Bits, 3419 Frames, 24.000 Frames/Sec, 156 KB/Sec, DIVXMPG4 V3

Saved as Divx Mpeg4 Fast Motion
Time to convert, 0:59
Size,15.920
Info from file, 480 x 260, 24 Bits, 3419 Frames, 24.000 Frames/Sec, 111 KB/Sec, DIVXMPG4 V3

No noticeable change in quality on any of them.

[kinneera]

The Divx codec used for movie compression/piracy - note that the full correct name is Divx , wink included - is entirely separate from the Divx technology that was conceived to create renewable rental discs. It was in fact originally nothing more than a hack of Microsoft's block-based MPEG4 compression algorithm to allow it to be used in standard AVIs rather than the proprietary ASF format.

The person responsible for the hack named it after the Divx rental technology, even though it had nothing whatsoever to do with that technology, and still doesn't. No hardware decoder for Divx (MPEG4) has ever existed, and may never depending on which source you listen to. The renewable/disposable rental disc technology was really a heavily modified DVD player, based on the same MPEG2 encoding as the DVD technology that survived.

Incidentally, the real reason MPEG4 was created was to target the low-bandwidth streaming media market (read: dial-up and videophones). Of course, certain individuals saw other uses for it and hacked it to that end.

[kmiura182]

Hey letmeinforgodsake, there's a difference between the DivX aka DivX we are talking about here and the Circuit City DIVX. Check out the explanation at divx.com. It specifically says that their DivX technology is not referring to the Digital Video Express (DIVX/DVE) service previously marketed by Circuit City! The players that used to be sold at Circuit City do not play discs that are encoded using DivX 3.12 or 4.12 or 5.0 or whatever. These players played DVD based discs that required the player to connect to a central billing system via built in modem that unlocked the movie for a period of 48 hours. Once that time is up, it tells the DVD/Divx player (many of the players were combos) that the viewing period has expired. These Divx discs were priced at about $5 each, making them comperable to going to the rental store. The advantage was supposed be that you don't have to return these discs since they are blocked by the billing system once they are activated for 48 hours. Too bad it never caught on.

Anyway letmeinforgodsake, thats why Quan-Time was saying that there is no DivX hardware player. The two things are completely different technologies. The Divx player sold by Circuit City has nothing to do with mpeg 4 DivX.

[KingJohn]

So let me get this right... The new DivX 5 has been developed so that peple can exchange movies on the internet ?

By the way, I have a DivX player (modified) ... and yes I know it has no wink However the new DivX 5, might just end up in new players.

[vitualis]

The Circuit City Divx rental discs and players have absolutely NOTHING to do with DivX;-) the video codec.

As others have said, the original DivX;-) video codec was simply a hack of the Microsoft MPEG-4 codecs. The name was a play on the Circuit City format.

There is absolutely no stand-alone hardware player that can play DivX encoded video.

The original DivX;-) codec was essentially a pirate version (with modifications) of the Microsoft codec so there naturally came pressure to develop an open source version of an MPEG-4 codec -- the result being DivX 4.

I'm not entirely sure why DivX 5 is no longer free, but I had read that it has to do with changes to MPEG-4 patents/licensing?

Regards.

[KingJohn]

The Circuit City Divx rental discs and players have absolutely NOTHING to do with DivX the video codec.

Why are you telling me this I ALREADY KNOW !

DivX 5 is now Trademarked, how long before all forms of DIVX DivX (wink) will be outlawed, any website that uses d i v x will be shut down for abuse of trademarks.

DivX 5 it trying to persuade the movie makers to use its new digital rights management technology, if it ever catches on, there will be new divX 5 hardware players. After all the DVD has already been cracked, so something has to be done.

There is absolutely no stand-alone hardware player that can play DivX encoded video.

Your wrong, there are many modified DIVX players that will play most of the DivX (wink) codec's . They also play MS Mpeg 4 V3, and a few others. You don't have one ?, that's not my fault.

[vitualis]

Well, that's news to me.

I would like you to provide a LINK to qualify your statement.

Since Divx rental discs used MPEG-2 (not MPEG-4) and existed before the DivX;-) -- and the fact that this amazing bit of info has never been wildly circulated before, I would suggest that you are mistaken.

DivX;-) has always been illegal. Whether anybody is going to do anything about it is another matter. If action is taken, it would be by Microsoft for breach of copyright. The use of DivX;-) is in no way breach of "trademarks".

As for there being DivX5/MPEG-4 hardware players in the future, I never said that there wasn't going to be one. There are simply not any now.

Regards.

[KingJohn]

A link ? To what ?

These players are getting on a bit now you know !. They don't sell them anymore, they even give a $100 refund to customers, however a huge amount ended up at the fair's, here they were seen quite regular at the Ham rally's along with defunct D-Mac BSB satellite receivers (Modified for D2MAC) and a whole lot more.

Since Divx rental discs used MPEG-2 (not MPEG-4) and existed before the DivX -- and the fact that this amazing bit of info has never been wildly circulated before, I would suggest that you are mistaken.

Actually with the right firmware these things can play ANYTHING !. The hardware has nothing to do with what software is running.

DivX has always been illegal. Whether anybody is going to do anything about it is another matter. If action is taken, it would be by Microsoft for breach of copyright. The use of DivX is in no way breach of "trademarks".

Sorry I have to disagree, Microsoft has taken action in the past for use of "its" technology used in programs "ASF" (Vdub 1.3c) however there is a big difference, nobody used any words that contained the name "Microsoft" or any of its Trademarks. DivX 5 is a trademark any variations on that name will be protected in law.

There is absolutely no stand-alone hardware player that can play DivX encoded video.

Yep, I think I should include a smiley with my posts from now this will avoid the confusion DivX

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[OptimusPrime22]

As far as standalone Divx players are concerned, they could get here sooner than later. Go to www.sigmadesigns.com and check out their new Divx decoder card. It is the newest version of the Hollywood DVD card for PCs. It will play DVD's, MPEG 1, MPEG 2, MP3 AND Divx encoded videos. It's a PURE hardware solution for playing Divx so people won't have to have a very powerful PC to play them and the card will connect to TVs just like previous Sigma cards so you can watch your Divx on the screen. Now I know most of you have been using TV out video cards to watch a Divx video on TV but it's still a cool idea that a new hardware device is comming out that will be dedicated to playing Divx as well. Not to mention the quality on a dedicated decoder card is considered MUCH better than a standard TV-Out video card.

[SteelTrout]

Interesting card, the Real Magic Xcard...Doesn't say anything about the ability to view Windows desktop on TV tho. Does this mean a separate monitor is still required to start the movie playing? If so, that doesn't help much in the Home Theater PC setup.

I'd actually like to see some quantitative comparisons on their site regarding quality vs. tv-out cards. Their vague "highest quality video" doesn't impress me much. Only remark for resolution is: "DVD playback limited to 480i, 576i and 480p". It doesn't talk about divx res. I'm not poo-poo-ing the product, just want them to supply more info.

This thing has relatively low sys requirements (>200Mhz). It may provide use for those old computers. Just drop in a big HD (or even a LAN connect to main comp) and have days of video to watch.

Cheers-
SteelTrout