Tsunami Wave on it's way here!

[budz]

Okay I woke to blaring sounding civil defense alarms this morning at 6:00 a.m. I thought we were being attacked or something but it turns out there is a Tsunami headed to the Hawaiian Islands with first wave to hit the Big Island at 11:00 a.m. It's suppose to hit Oahu at 11:35 a.m. This was generated because of a 8.8 earthquake in Chile.


I jumped out of bed to hit the supermarket for supplies. Not bad that the local supermarket near me still had bottled water and bread. I was able to buy bottled water and 2 loaves of bread. I already have my pantry stocked with vienna sausage, spam and canned roast mary hash in the pantry.

What I love about Hawaii peeps is that everyone is so mellow during a crisis and lots of Aloha between each other. Hawaii No Ka Oi!

[lordsmurf]

Ah crap..... Take care of yourself.
We may tussle in a few threads here time to time, but I don't want to see you washed into the drink!

[freebird73717]

Hope you are staying safe. Let us know how things work out.

[deadrats]

Okay I woke to blaring sounding civil defense alarms this morning at 6:00 a.m. I thought we were being attacked or something but it turns out there is a Tsunami headed to the Hawaiian Islands with first wave to hit the Big Island at 11:00 a.m. It's suppose to hit Oahu at 11:35 a.m. This was generated because of a 8.8 earthquake in Chile.


I jumped out of bed to hit the supermarket for supplies. Not bad that the local supermarket near me still had bottled water and bread. I was able to buy bottled water and 2 loaves of bread. I already have my pantry stocked with vienna sausage, spam and canned roast mary hash in the pantry.

What I love about Hawaii peeps is that everyone is so mellow during a crisis and lots of Aloha between each other. Hawaii No Ka Oi!

i think everyone way over-reacted, chile is 6700 miles away from hawaii, french polynesia only saw 3 foot swells and i was watching fox news which was carrying a live feed from some local station that had cameras right on the water and the ocean was so calm that there were a few surfers trying to surf and they couldn't catch any waves.

the massive tsunami that hit asia a few years ago was caused by a massive plate shift under water in the middle of the ocean, which is why it was so powerful, this earthquake was centered right in chile, big difference.

btw, what does it say about haiti's infrastructure when chile gets hit by one of the largest earthquake's ever recorded (an 8.8) and "only" 214 people die, whereas haiti gets hit by a 7.9 earthquake and tens of thousands die and the whole nation is practically destroyed?

[budz]

Yo! Thanks for the concerns. I don't live anywhere near the coastline or beaches. My family and relatives are all safe. This is a good wake up call for us in Hawaii. Gotta have the emergency kits ready for stuff like this.

To deadrats: Your comment of over reacting is BULLSHIT. Do you know how many residential areas are in the low lying areas in just Honolulu (Oahu)? Let alone all the homeless people that live on the beaches. You never know what mother nature will do, humans can only predict what could happen. If the warning was not done early enough there would have been sheer total panic throughout the state of Hawaii.

I know this because in the mid 1990's we had another Tsunami warning which was during the work week. Let me tell you the traffic was backed up all over the island and people were panicking because they were trying to get home and trying to pick up their children from school. At work the priority to leave first were the ones who lived on the Leeward and Central coasts. It didn't matter at that point because traffic was at a stand still on all the road ways and there's only one main freeway here in this state. I could go on and on. So before you make a dumb ass statement make sure you know what you're talking about before you shoot off your mouth.

[lordsmurf]

The only thing I know about Hawaii came from Dog the Bounty Hunter and Lilo & Stitch.
Maybe a few random "state studies" from elementary school.

[El Heggunte]

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[deadrats]

To deadrats: Your comment of over reacting is BULLSHIT. Do you know how many residential areas are in the low lying areas in just Honolulu (Oahu)? Let alone all the homeless people that live on the beaches. You never know what mother nature will do, humans can only predict what could happen. If the warning was not done early enough there would have been sheer total panic throughout the state of Hawaii.

I know this because in the mid 1990's we had another Tsunami warning which was during the work week. Let me tell you the traffic was backed up all over the island and people were panicking because they were trying to get home and trying to pick up their children from school. At work the priority to leave first were the ones who lived on the Leeward and Central coasts. It didn't matter at that point because traffic was at a stand still on all the road ways and there's only one main freeway here in this state. I could go on and on. So before you make a dumb ass statement make sure you know what you're talking about before you shoot off your mouth.

i know enough about the laws of physics to know that a quake centered 6700 miles away isn't going to provide enough kinetic energy to produce a wave that can cause any significant damage or even any significant increase in the size of the waves.

and if my statement(s) were so "dumb" and i don't know what i'm talking about then i'm guessing you're posting from underwater at the moment. so are you underwater? any lives lost? any significant increase in surf height? any real damage?

seriously, grow a pair, a chimp could have reasoned that if french polynesia only saw 3 foot swells as a result of the "tsunami" then hawaii would be safe, hell cnn, fox news, et al, only had 2 stories to talk about all day; the supposed tsunami that was "threatening" hawaii, the pacific coast (some reports claimed that it would hit california and possibly alaska) and that trainer that was killed by the orca.

they did the same thing to us here in nj, a small earthquake hit, something like a 2.7 and that's all we heard about, then we had some decent snow fall and to here the news say it we had a catastrophe, we had local weather predictions claiming that 2 very powerful winter storms were going to collide that was going to bring massive snow fall and hurricane force winds, people ran out to get all kinds of supplies, fresh water, batteries, candles, gas, i told my family to relax, nothing was going to happen, long story short we saw about 18 inches of snow, big f*cking deal.

same thing with hawaii, seriously, was there any significant damage to any low lying area and was any homeless person living on the beach in any way injured?

btw, and i hope this doesn't come off as flippant, but if you have to be homeless, is there any better place on earth to be than in hawaii? people bust their asses working, trying to save up some money so they can go on vacation to a beautiful beach somewhere, maybe do some fishing and maybe sleep on the beach and these guys get to do it every day?

imagine being homeless in hawaii, bahamas, bermuda or some other tropical island, i somehow don't think you would consider yourself unlucky, would you?

[Silvas]

i know enough about the laws of physics to know that a quake centered 6700 miles away isn't going to provide enough kinetic energy to produce a wave that can cause any significant damage or even any significant increase in the size of the waves.

This is from the USGS website.

The earthquake that caused the 1960 tsunami occurred off the west coast of South America and had a magnitude between 8.25 and 8.5. The waves reached the Hawaiian Islands in about 15 hours. This tsunami caused little damage elsewhere in the islands, but the Hilo Bay area was hard hit. Sixty-one people lost their lives and about 540 homes and businesses were destroyed or severely damaged.
http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/volcanowatch/1994/94_05_20.html

So much for you vast knowledge of the laws of physics.

[deadrats]

So much for you vast knowledge of the laws of physics.

and this is the latest from hawaii:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/quake_tsunami

and the best part is that the first "tsunami" wave to hit japan was a whole 4 inches tall.

allow me to put it another way, the massive 2004 tsunami was caused by an earthquake with a magnitude of 9.2, centered 100 miles off the coast of sumatra, 19 miles down, and managed to reach the coast of south africa, 5300 miles away and only raised the level of high tide by 5 feet:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Indian_Ocean_earthquake

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eqinthenews/2010/us2010tfan/

this earthquake had a magnitude of 8.8, 60 miles off the shore and almost 22 miles down and hawaii is 6700 miles away, you don't need a "vast knowledge of physics" to conclude that the likelihood of any damage to hawaii is slim to none.

[guns1inger]

. . . . and don't be so quick to panic.

This is rich coming from the guy who dons his tin foil hat and screams that the sky is falling everytime he reads something about windows that he doesn't like.

[budz]

i know enough about the laws of physics to know that a quake centered 6700 miles away isn't going to provide enough kinetic energy to produce a wave that can cause any significant damage or even any significant increase in the size of the waves.

and if my statement(s) were so "dumb" and i don't know what i'm talking about then i'm guessing you're posting from underwater at the moment. so are you underwater? any lives lost? any significant increase in surf height? any real damage?

seriously, grow a pair, a chimp could have reasoned that if french polynesia only saw 3 foot swells as a result of the "tsunami" then hawaii would be safe, hell cnn, fox news, et al, only had 2 stories to talk about all day; the supposed tsunami that was "threatening" hawaii, the pacific coast (some reports claimed that it would hit california and possibly alaska) and that trainer that was killed by the orca.

they did the same thing to us here in nj, a small earthquake hit, something like a 2.7 and that's all we heard about, then we had some decent snow fall and to here the news say it we had a catastrophe, we had local weather predictions claiming that 2 very powerful winter storms were going to collide that was going to bring massive snow fall and hurricane force winds, people ran out to get all kinds of supplies, fresh water, batteries, candles, gas, i told my family to relax, nothing was going to happen, long story short we saw about 18 inches of snow, big f*cking deal.

same thing with hawaii, seriously, was there any significant damage to any low lying area and was any homeless person living on the beach in any way injured?

btw, and i hope this doesn't come off as flippant, but if you have to be homeless, is there any better place on earth to be than in hawaii? people bust their asses working, trying to save up some money so they can go on vacation to a beautiful beach somewhere, maybe do some fishing and maybe sleep on the beach and these guys get to do it every day?

imagine being homeless in hawaii, bahamas, bermuda or some other tropical island, i somehow don't think you would consider yourself unlucky, would you?

You're still shooting off your ragged mouth with nonsense. I didn't know you were a BS scientist.....hate to say where you were when 9/11 struck....I'm sure you told your family to just relax. So have you ever been to Oahu? Maui? Kauai? Big Island? How do you know the low lying areas weren't threatened if the Tsunami generated big waves? See our H1 freeway and roadways? No, huh! Yuh, thought so. I guess you like living on the edge instead of being safe, you'd rather be sorry when shit happens to you and your family. Gotta love a dude who's so full of "kaka", in hawaiian it means "shit". Being homeless is no different than being in any other state/city. So we got beaches and they're full of homeless peeps who are drug addicts....yuh, you call that living in paradise.

You're pointless comments/threads bore me and I'm sure other members feel the same way...try posting something of interest instead of your rants on windows operating systems.

[Supreme2k]

The tsunami warnings are the same as this "snowmageddon" panic.

Hell, there's not even enough effect to give us some decent surfing.

We had a few small stores near a couple of beaches ransacked (though paid for).

I guess the decade of panic is not quite over...

[handyguy]

I always thought Hawaii was near the bottom of California cause our maps in school put it there.

Tsunami is a type of wave, not a size.

[deadrats]

Tsunami is a type of wave, not a size.

yes and no, while it's true that technically a "tsunami" is a type of wave, if the wave is only going to be 4 inches high there is no reason to issue a warning. in many peoples mind when they here "tsunami" they associate it with what happened towards the end of 2004, it irresponsible and reckless to send people into a panic expecting a similar catastrophic event in hawaii when the earthquake that could trigger a tsunami is 6700 miles away.

i live in nj, it's like having the national weather service issue a flood warning for the town i live in (which is 240 feet above sea level) because a hurricane hit russia, it's absurd, you don't alarm people over something that has zero chance of hurting them.

[Supreme2k]

You're pointless comments/threads bore me and I'm sure other members feel the same way...try posting something of interest instead of your rants on windows operating systems.

To be fair, fifty percent or more of the topics posted here (VH, not just OT) are inane and boring. How many times a week does "How do I copy a DVD?" have to be answered? At least deadrats is in OT and not littering the front page.

handyguy,
true, but this is a case where size does matter. It can be deemed technically a tsunami, but the effects can be vastly different depending on intensity, just like hurricanes and tornadoes.

[deadrats]

You're still shooting off your ragged mouth with nonsense. I didn't know you were a BS scientist.....hate to say where you were when 9/11 struck....I'm sure you told your family to just relax. So have you ever been to Oahu? Maui? Kauai? Big Island? How do you know the low lying areas weren't threatened if the Tsunami generated big waves? See our H1 freeway and roadways? No, huh! Yuh, thought so. I guess you like living on the edge instead of being safe, you'd rather be sorry when shit happens to you and your family. Gotta love a dude who's so full of "kaka", in hawaiian it means "shit". Being homeless is no different than being in any other state/city. So we got beaches and they're full of homeless peeps who are drug addicts....yuh, you call that living in paradise.

You're pointless comments/threads bore me and I'm sure other members feel the same way...try posting something of interest instead of your rants on windows operating systems.

oh, please, just because you're a drama queen that was looking for some sympathy doesn't make me wrong. now if the earthquake had hit 200 miles off the coast of hawaii, i would say that panic would be the right response and you and all hawaiians would have my deepest sympathies.

i did tell my family to relax, i have been around long enough to know that there seems to be a policy in place of "keep the general public in a perpetual state of panic", if it's not one thing, it's another: the terrorists are coming, the communists are coming, the housing market is going to collapse, the economy is going to collapse, global warming, global cooling, the ozone is depleting, a massive hurricane watch is in effect, dangerous thunderstorms, tornado watch is in effect, drought is imminent, e. coli, sars, aids, anthrax, a winter storm warning is in effect, the list just goes on.

very, very rarely are any of the warnings even close to the reality and it's idiotic beyond belief to expect a seismic event 6700 miles away to cause any real damage to you.

as for the homeless drug addicts, i never forced them to take drugs, they do that themselves, we all go through shit in our lives, most suck it up without turning to drugs.

be that as it may, if i had to be a homeless drug addict i think being one in hawaii would be very close to being in paradise, it's much better than the homeless in nyc, chicago or any other major city, where they sleep on the sidewalk, freezing their asses off in the middle of winter.

i have a friend of mine from the dominican republic and he was telling me about a "story" that is prevalent among some social circles in the dominican and it goes like this:

one day a business man was walking on the beach when he came upon a homeless man fishing on the beach. the business man asks the homeless man "why don't you get a job instead of sitting around all day"? the homeless guy asks "what do i need a job for"? the business replies "so that you can save up enough money to retire someday". the homeless man asks "what will i do then?". the business man say "i don't know, hang out on the beach all day". the homeless guy says "i'm already here".

that pretty much sums up my view of being homeless in hawaii, the carribean, or any other tropical island, you already have what most people are hoping to get after they retire. tell them to stop the drugs and thank their God that they have escaped the rat race and can spend their free time on a beach.

p.s. i here a couple of massive icebergs have broken off in the antarctic, i think maybe you should prepare yourself for the "possibility" that they may float up to hawaii and strike land, LOL.

oh, and a comet hit a planet 30 billion light years away, maybe you should crawl into a bunker just in case some space dust hits your neighborhood.

silly wabbit.

[redwudz]

Probably a waste of time to respond, but I worked with OES (Office of Emergency Services) for more than five years in Northern CA. One of our jobs was to organize and coordinate emergency response to local disasters, such as tsunamis. We were in a area that is subject to tsunamis. We had one small one in past years that resulted in seven deaths and quite a bit of property destruction. The deaths were because of people ignoring the warnings and returning to a evacuation area.

We were mainly subject to Alaskan seismic events that could generate tsunamis. The good news there is that there is about a 12 hour lead time before the tsunami arrives. The bad news is that the height of the wave front is very hard to predict. It depends mostly on the local ocean floor contours and the strength of the wave front. That is measured by buoys, but those buoy measurements are generally in close to shore, so a bit too late to make use of the info. I imagine the Hawaii scenario is similar. You don't really know the wave front height till the wave front gets too close to take any action. The NWS (National Weather Service) has very few wave height buoys now due to reduced funding.

A tsunami wave front travels a bit slower than the speed of sound, about 600 mph. Not a lot of warning time if it's in close. Where I lived, we had major earthquakes in the region of 6 to 7 on the Richter scale fairly regularly as we are on the junction of three tectonic plates. But our ocean contours where the local earthquakes originate aren't conducive to tsunamis. This was lucky as the warning time would be on the order of five minutes. But we did get a fair amount of property damage from the earthquakes themselves.

Our local prediction of wave front height was 20 feet. If ignored, we would lose about 3000 lives in a few low lying areas. Then that wave front height was revised to 40 feet after the Indian Ocean tsunami. We have geological records of past tsunamis that were even higher. A 40 foot tsunami could cost about 30,000 lives if not responded to.

One of our local college professors told us more about the Indian Ocean tsunami. One island had less than ten minutes warning. The population evacuated to higher ground. Several lives were lost when people returned to the low lying areas to rescue livestock. Another island with about thirty minutes warning ignored the sirens. They lost more the 15,000 lives. Maybe better safe than sorry. JMO.

[budz]

You're still shooting off your ragged mouth with nonsense. I didn't know you were a BS scientist.....hate to say where you were when 9/11 struck....I'm sure you told your family to just relax. So have you ever been to Oahu? Maui? Kauai? Big Island? How do you know the low lying areas weren't threatened if the Tsunami generated big waves? See our H1 freeway and roadways? No, huh! Yuh, thought so. I guess you like living on the edge instead of being safe, you'd rather be sorry when shit happens to you and your family. Gotta love a dude who's so full of "kaka", in hawaiian it means "shit". Being homeless is no different than being in any other state/city. So we got beaches and they're full of homeless peeps who are drug addicts....yuh, you call that living in paradise.

You're pointless comments/threads bore me and I'm sure other members feel the same way...try posting something of interest instead of your rants on windows operating systems.

oh, please, just because you're a drama queen that was looking for some sympathy doesn't make me wrong. now if the earthquake had hit 200 miles off the coast of hawaii, i would say that panic would be the right response and you and all hawaiians would have my deepest sympathies.

i did tell my family to relax, i have been around long enough to know that there seems to be a policy in place of "keep the general public in a perpetual state of panic", if it's not one thing, it's another: the terrorists are coming, the communists are coming, the housing market is going to collapse, the economy is going to collapse, global warming, global cooling, the ozone is depleting, a massive hurricane watch is in effect, dangerous thunderstorms, tornado watch is in effect, drought is imminent, e. coli, sars, aids, anthrax, a winter storm warning is in effect, the list just goes on.

very, very rarely are any of the warnings even close to the reality and it's idiotic beyond belief to expect a seismic event 6700 miles away to cause any real damage to you.

as for the homeless drug addicts, i never forced them to take drugs, they do that themselves, we all go through shit in our lives, most suck it up without turning to drugs.

be that as it may, if i had to be a homeless drug addict i think being one in hawaii would be very close to being in paradise, it's much better than the homeless in nyc, chicago or any other major city, where they sleep on the sidewalk, freezing their asses off in the middle of winter.

i have a friend of mine from the dominican republic and he was telling me about a "story" that is prevalent among some social circles in the dominican and it goes like this:

one day a business man was walking on the beach when he came upon a homeless man fishing on the beach. the business man asks the homeless man "why don't you get a job instead of sitting around all day"? the homeless guy asks "what do i need a job for"? the business replies "so that you can save up enough money to retire someday". the homeless man asks "what will i do then?". the business man say "i don't know, hang out on the beach all day". the homeless guy says "i'm already here".

that pretty much sums up my view of being homeless in hawaii, the carribean, or any other tropical island, you already have what most people are hoping to get after they retire. tell them to stop the drugs and thank their God that they have escaped the rat race and can spend their free time on a beach.

p.s. i here a couple of massive icebergs have broken off in the antarctic, i think maybe you should prepare yourself for the "possibility" that they may float up to hawaii and strike land, LOL.

oh, and a comet hit a planet 30 billion light years away, maybe you should crawl into a bunker just in case some space dust hits your neighborhood.

silly wabbit.

You're the drama queen in drag still shooting off your silly mouth!

[deadrats]

We were mainly subject to Alaskan seismic events that could generate tsunamis. The good news there is that there is about a 12 hour lead time before the tsunami arrives.

your figures are a bit off, i looked up how far away california is from alaska and i found a distance between 2000 and 3000 miles away, at 600 mph you would have a lead time of between 3 hours 20 minutes and 5 hours, if you had a lead time of 12 hours the wave had to originate 7200 miles away, which would put the epicenter seismic event somewhere by the north pole:

http://www.mapquest.com/maps?1s=CA&1y=US&1l=37.219688&1g=-119.7686&1v=STATE&2c=North+P...349396&2v=CITY

Where I lived, we had major earthquakes in the region of 6 to 7 on the Richter scale fairly regularly as we are on the junction of three tectonic plates. But our ocean contours where the local earthquakes originate aren't conducive to tsunamis. This was lucky as the warning time would be on the order of five minutes. But we did get a fair amount of property damage from the earthquakes themselves.

actually the quakes themselves aren't powerful enough to cause a significant tsunami, the philippines got hit by 4 earthquakes in the 6 to 7 range over the past few days and there were no tsunamis and japan had an earthquake in the 7 range right off it's coast and only saw a 4 inch tsunami.

One of our local college professors told us more about the Indian Ocean tsunami. One island had less than ten minutes warning. The population evacuated to higher ground. Several lives were lost when people returned to the low lying areas to rescue livestock. Another island with about thirty minutes warning ignored the sirens. They lost more the 15,000 lives. Maybe better safe than sorry. JMO.

the 2004 tsunami was caused by one of the most powerful earthquakes ever recorded, in fact the rupture under the sea bed traveled at 6300 miles per hour for the first 100 seconds, it paused for 100 seconds and then continued again at 4700 miles per hour for 5 minutes and if you look at the map all the countries that were devastated almost all the deaths and major damage occurred within 500 miles of the epicenter.

people have a tendency of thinking that one rare cataclysmic event of extreme proportions is somehow indicative of all events of a similar nature. it's like using the fact that katrina was so powerful and leveled new orleans as a blueprint for all hurricane consequences.

as for the OES, they need to play politics, look at the skewering every government agency got after katrina, many people in government like to cover their asses, they declare states of emergencies at the drop of a hat, if nothing happens they figure no harm no foul, if something does happen they can say that they warned us.

the problem lies in the fact that if you cry wolf too often people will eventually start to ignore you and when they really need to listen they won't.

a modicum of common sense wouldn't hurt before sending people into a panic.

[handyguy]

Our beach was posted by our police dept. that it would arrive at 12:30p yet emergency services called us at 1:12p & said it would be arriving soon. They can't even agree on what time it was coming in.

You can't surf it either, it's too long.