HERE's HOW TO FIT 120mins movie on one cd in SVCD FORMAT!!!!

[vhelp]

>> I personally use VCDEasy, because it let's me put in the original
>> chapters ( with Chapter Xtractor ), so my xVCD have identical
>> chapters as on the original DVD.

ahh, now this is what I was looking for... to make chapters that match my
DVD's chapters. Am I to beleieve correctly what your statement states??
And, if so, is it like this,
A * I have 5 mpegs in VCD format, or...
B * I have 1 huge mpg, say, 450mb and I want to create (as simple as
posible) chapters that point to each scene I want to skip to, like a DVD
disk has.

I like B better, but A has it's advantages too you know.

-vhelp

[kwag]

>> I personally use VCDEasy, because it let's me put in the original
>> chapters ( with Chapter Xtractor ), so my xVCD have identical
>> chapters as on the original DVD.

ahh, now this is what I was looking for... to make chapters that match my
DVD's chapters. Am I to beleieve correctly what your statement states??
And, if so, is it like this,
A * I have 5 mpegs in VCD format, or...
B * I have 1 huge mpg, say, 450mb and I want to create (as simple as
posible) chapters that point to each scene I want to skip to, like a DVD
disk has.

I like B better, but A has it's advantages too you know.

-vhelp

Your answer is B, yes!, that is correct.

VCDEasy takes a single mpeg file and creates Chapters with Entrypoints.
Read more here:
http://www.geocities.com/medinotes/vcd/chapters.html

You won't notice any skips or jumps during playback. It's completely smooth.

It's as easy as opening your .ifo with Chapter Xtractor and selecting all raw chapters and copy+paste into the chapters section in VCDEasy.

That's it!.

kwag

[sean madison]

hey kwag, have u tried the new temps i made? the svcd-x?

[kwag]

hey kwag, have u tried the new temps i made? the svcd-x?

Nope. I think I have optimized the 352x480 to the max, as far as quality/compression and GOP structure is concerned.

I haven't tried your new templates because they are SVCD based MPEG-2 and that won't play in most players that are only capable of playing VCD. So your format is geared at SVCD players.

I really don't care much about 352x240 anymore, because the best that can be done there is go up to 3,000Kbps or 3,500Kbps for an absolutely blockless picture, but then the visual quality is way below 352x480 and you can't fit a full movie either.

Anything else that is to be done won't be in our hands, but in the developers of TMPEG's future versions.

It's not a matter of "templates" anymore. It's a matter of new encoders and technology.

The parameters I came up with, work very good with TMPEG 2.53 ( Standard or Plus ) , but not with older versions ( < 2.5 ).

kwag

[sean madison]

ok kwag, i encode at 480x480 blockless and i am satisfied and i can understand that some people can only read lets say standard format vcds on their dvd player.

I also have a method of putting up to 2 hrs of a movie on 1 cd in standard vcd format still standard for dvd players only(NOT xvcd).
However, this will not play in vcd players, only dvd players as they must be more lenient.

But anyways, i used ur little method of gop 1,15,3,1 and it is a waste of time!

When i did it, the output mpg was 64 kb larger than what i do.

I still stick to my vcd-x and svcd-x methods.

Tell me if i should do somethin diff cuz i could have swore that ur method makes the file size smaller!, not larger!

I'm usin tmpgenc 2.52 plus!

[kwag]

But anyways, i used ur little method of gop 1,15,3,1 and it is a waste of time!

When i did it, the output mpg was 64 kb larger than what i do.

I still stick to my vcd-x and svcd-x methods.

Tell me if i should do somethin diff cuz i could have swore that ur method makes the file size smaller!, not larger!

I'm usin tmpgenc 2.52 plus!

As I said before. The GOP 1,15,3,1 is optimized for TMPEG 2.53 Plus at 352x480 CQ VBR with the parameters on the template.

Any other GOP "WITH THE SAME PARAMETERS" of bitrate, size, etc, will give a larger filesize. If you increase the P's above 20, you'll get a smaller filesize, but your mpeg will become more unstable ( artifacts, ghost images slowly fading after a scene change, etc.

For MPEG-2 that's another story. The GOP sequence will NOT be the same.

Read some mpeg books!

[Trailryder]

Hey guys,
I've just been thru all 7 pages of this thread. I'm a newbie for sure. I have several AVI movies that I want to make into compliant VCD for play on a tv using USA standard NTSC. Looking at the properties of the AVIs, I see they are 25fps which is PAL I believe. Will TMPGEnc encode the AVI for play as a VCD with USA standard NTSC of 29.7 fps?

I'm assuming the resultant mpeg is going to be much larger than the original AVI file and that I'm going to have to split the file. I guess it doesn't matter when I split it, while it's AVI or after it's converted to mpeg?

Sounds like Kwags template is the one to try. If only I can remember which of the 7 pages I saw the link on. Perhaps you can point me to it.

I have printed off all the tutorials I can find and this is gonna be my very first try at this.

Thanks for any help.

[JAXBOSS]

Trailryder, i THINK ITS ON PAGE 3 or 4, try 4. also if its in one part u dont ned to split it since u r going to try to put the movie on one disc.

Simple question to anyone else about burning my vcd from a split mpeg, Do i need to join the two parts of the movie or can i just put part one in and then part two (while in NERO) and then just burn away? thanks

[y2flyy]

jaxboss on nero you do not need to join the files
Y2Flyy

[JAXBOSS]

So in NERO all i do is drag over part one then drag over part two, then burn ? sweet. Im fixing to burn as per KWAGS temp. Its a crappy cam movie though, maybe i should burn a screener. Ill have gosford park scr ready tonight and ill try that too. thanks

[Trailryder]

Getting the resultant mpeg small enough to fit on 1 disc would be great but I'm not that opimistic. I have no practical experience with this whole process yet. If I have to split it to 2 discs, I don't have a problem with that. Found the link to Kwags template. Thanks.

[sean madison]

ok, i'm just gonna put my final words in here.

Thanks for the advice, but due to the 352x480 being a non standard res for vcd or svcd, i cant use it, cuz when i sell movies, they gotta be compatible to play on pc, dvdplayers and dreamcast systems.

I'll stick to 480x480.

It is interesting though what u are talking about.

[JAXBOSS]

Trailryder, Im not that TECHED out myself. I would however split the AVI instead of the mepg then convert part one to mpeg and burn just to check it out. if it looks good, then convert part two of the avi to mpeg and burn. personal prefernce really. but since you are NOT planning on putting a full movie on ONE CD, then u really shouldnt worry about finding and using KWAGS temp, just use the reg template, you'll get slighty(maybe more) quality on your 2 disc movie. I believe kwags was for a one cd deal.

[Bigswaffo]

hey, i'm going to encode black hawk down to VCD or SVCD this week. now earlier, someone said that Kwag's VCD template was better quality than KingViper's SVCD template. If anyone has done some testing, could they tell me whether or not KingViper's is the way to go or not. I want the movie to fit on one CD and I don't care how long it takes to encode. Any help would be appreciated.

[Gribnitz]

Just wanted to thank Kwag for the template here. Works great! Now my wife can quit complaining about me putting the home videos on CD. I can fit a very large home movie using the template because it seems to compress so much and the quality is still very good. Hard to tell between a SVCD format disk and Kwag's template.

General question. Home movies and standard VHS movies seem to compress quite a bit, but when I used the template on a Disney movie (animated) it didn't compress near as much, but I still managed to get an 80 minute movie on one disk. Why is this? Is animation a lot more processor intensive to compress?

[kwag]

Just wanted to thank Kwag for the template here. Works great! Now my wife can quit complaining about me putting the home videos on CD.

Thanks Gribnitz!
I'm LOL!, because that's exactly what my wife said a couple of weeks ago!.

About the animated movies, you're right. They compress less, depending on the movie. If it's a captured VHS movie, you should frameserve your capture with virtualdub with some noise filters turned on. Because any noise in the input will decrease the compression and ultimately show up as blocks on the mpeg. But you should be able to fit just about any Disney movie that's about 100 minutes or less on a single 80 minute CD-R.

Enjoy!,
kwag

[Trailryder]

Converted my first AVI last night for VCD. The AVI file was about 650mb and the resultant mpeg came out to be 1.4gig. using standard settings and a little color correction and sharpening.

Kwag, was wondering if I could use your I, P and B settings that you use for NTSC Film for NTSC 29.7 that I'm using and get a smaller file size with acceptable picture quality.

Also, if I'm trying to convert a PAL standard FPS AVI to NTSC 29.7 in TMPGEnc, if I check the box for "allow framerate conversion", will that take care of it?

Thanks guys!

[kwag]

You can use the same IBP settings, but your file will be larger at 29.97 that at 23.976.

[dausoner]

I tried the temp for kwags method and found the quality was sufficient, still a little blocky in darker areas but for the filesize I dont think any other temp will come close. Any way my dvd player had problems with the audio - skipping - so I must resort to other methods. Back to the old 352 x 240 2 disc.

[Scav]

Hey Kwag,

Earlier in this thread, you mention applying noise reduction before encoding can significantly reduce file size. Could you tell me which filters and what settings you find most useful? And, were you referring to VirtualDub fiters or TMPGenc filters?

Thanks,
Scav

[Bigswaffo]

:P

[Bigswaffo]

hey scav. i don't know what kwag was referring to, but from my experience, virtualdub filters are the best. just the other day, i found a website on how to get rid of ALL noise. i've tried it, and it works. it's http://arstechnica.infopop.net/OpenTopic/page?a=tpc&s=50009562&f=67909965&m=7570963642

if the link doesn't work, tell me.

[kwag]

Hey Kwag,

Earlier in this thread, you mention applying noise reduction before encoding can significantly reduce file size. Could you tell me which filters and what settings you find most useful? And, were you referring to VirtualDub fiters or TMPGenc filters?

Thanks,
Scav

I can't remember what filters I used the last time. It's been a while. The filters are the internal filters available for Virtualdub.
And there are zillions of them!. So you'll haved to experiment with that.

kwag

[Bigswaffo]

this is directed to kwag or anyone else who knows what they're doing. in kwag's template, the resolution is set to 352x480 and it looks really crappy on my computer, does this resolution make the movie look better on a TV? Also, under frame rate you put 23.976 fps, which is PAL, and for the aspect ratio, you put 4:3 525 line NTSC. Just wondering if those are compatible, supposed to save space, etc.

[kwag]

this is directed to kwag or anyone else who knows what they're doing. in kwag's template, the resolution is set to 352x480 and it looks really crappy on my computer, does this resolution make the movie look better on a TV? Also, under frame rate you put 23.976 fps, which is PAL, and for the aspect ratio, you put 4:3 525 line NTSC. Just wondering if those are compatible, supposed to save space, etc.

Do the samples I posted look crappy, or is it an mpeg you did with the template?. Because on my monitor ( 17" ) they look better than a standard 352x240 VCD.

The frame rate on the template is 23.976 because that is FILM framerate as in most DVD's. Movie DVD's are coded FILM, but the DVD players play them back at 29.97FPS.

Also PAL is not 23.976, it's 25FPS.

The current aspect is 4:3 for output as in all VCD's. That's the standard.

Aspect ratios are another topic. But here's a link with an excelent explanation:

http://www.doom9.org/aspectratios.htm

kwag

[Bigswaffo]

kwag,
i didn't download the samples. i put black hawk down on 352x480 resolution and it looks stretched. is this what it's supposed to look like?

[jroy]

#sean madison# You should shut the **** up until you cannot prove your point (give out your templates). If you don't want to give your 'secret templates' away then I don't think any of us is interested in what you have to say about kwag and his templates or how much better your templates are.

Jroy

[kwag]

kwag,
i didn't download the samples. i put black hawk down on 352x480 resolution and it looks stretched. is this what it's supposed to look like?

Aha!, now I know why you saw blocks!. Your trying to put that trashy "Black Hawk Down" AVI that's on the net, Right!!

Well, the problem is that the resolution of that AVI is way lower than 352x480 and when you encode it, you're upscaling the resolution.

The results ara bad bad bad. garbage in, garbage out

I forgot what's the resolution of that AVI, because I downloaded both AVI ( MPEG-4 ) and the VCD and they looked so bad ( both ), that I erased them both!. The VCD's circling the net are 352x240.

kwag

[Trailryder]

The frame rate on the template is 23.976 because that is FILM framerate as in most DVD's. Movie DVD's are coded FILM, but the DVD players play them back at 29.97FPS.

Thanks for that bit of info Kwag. I'm going to convert the same AVI movie again but this time do it at 23.9fps with your settings and set what that does as far as quality and size compared to the first one I made at 29.7 and standard settings. If I understand you correctly, the copy done at 23.9 will play fine in my stand alone DVD player and look fine on my TV.

[kwag]

I'm going to convert the same AVI movie again but this time do it at 23.9fps with your settings and set what that does as far as quality and size compared to the first one I made at 29.7 and standard settings. If I understand you correctly, the copy done at 23.9 will play fine in my stand alone DVD player and look fine on my TV.

Are you sure your AVI is 23.976?.

Or you are refering to an AVI MPEG-4 that you're trying to convert?.

If this is the case, I suggest you get a tool to analyze your AVI, so that you can see the exact properties of your file ( resolution, bitrate, etc ).