HERE's HOW TO FIT 120mins movie on one cd in SVCD FORMAT!!!!

[Bigswaffo]

in response to the method first proposed in this thread, it doesn't work well. Later on, it was proposed to use kwag's template but still convert to ASF before MPEG. That's complete CRAP. ASF is REALLY bad quality. Not only that, but with kwag's template, I got behind enemy lines, a 100 minute movie, into a little over 500 MB and the quality is AWESOME. So I don't think there is any need to convert to ASF first.

[liquid217]

well i guess they're completely ok with the quality, although i completely agree with you. they ought to just try lowering the cq even further. They'll realize that they can now fit 3 hours. woooooo. If the individual is satisfied with that quality, then good for them.

[Bud]

Kwag,

I think you were wrong on the quality of Captures, I do mine via a Digital Cable and with Adobe Premeir 6.0 and the end results is as good as S-VHS or High Quality VCD. I use the standard defult for DV2 AVI then frameserve to Panasonic Encoder or TMPGEns.

Bud

[kwag]

Bud, what device do you use to capture from digital cable?.

I, myself have a 4DTV C-Band receiver, and I capture via S-Video into a Panasonic DMR-E20 to DVD-RAM.

Do you use a capture board, or your cable box has some kind of digital output?. How do you input the video into your PC?..

kwag

[Gribnitz]

Sorry, I need to ask a question and since I am a newbie and this topic is in the newbie encoding section I guess it fits.

Kwang, I looked at your folder on Yahoo. That 3rd file is your template? How do I actually use this in TMPGE? Is it as a text file or do I need to enter all that data in someplace? When I think of template I think of something I can load up like Sefy's template.

Sorry, I am a newbie at this and haven't used TMPGE much (use NERO as a converter since it is easy to do).

[kwag]

Sorry, I need to ask a question and since I am a newbie and this topic is in the newbie encoding section I guess it fits.

Kwang, I looked at your folder on Yahoo. That 3rd file is your template? How do I actually use this in TMPGE? Is it as a text file or do I need to enter all that data in someplace? When I think of template I think of something I can load up like Sefy's template.

Sorry, I am a newbie at this and haven't used TMPGE much (use NERO as a converter since it is easy to do).

Just download the file and save it with a name like test_template.mcf
and load it using TMPEG. Be sure to save it with the extension .mcf because that is the default for TMPEG.

kwag

[y2flyy]

Hey Bigswaffo what the hell are you talking about
I DID NOT say when using KWAG's template to still CONVERT to asf first.
I did not say that get it right
and I know that on the computer playback asf is not the best quality
BUT im telling you when you convert to mpeg2 it looks exactly like an svcd would when playback on your dvd player
Ive done it a dozen times and have not any problems.
the only reason why i sort of switched to kwag's method is b/c i hate having to encode to svcd it takes to damn long
and kwags vcd looks great at alot less encode time
but when encoding to svcd i will always convert to asf first now
Y2Flyy

[thegig]

Kwag. I capped off digital cable so the res was pretty good. I agree DVD rip is the best, but for the test I figured it would suffice. I also do the frameserving from virtdub to clean it up. I ran some more tests. For the life of me I still can't get 352x480 to work it's stretched. I don't think APEX or JVC for that matter like it. So I guess I'll stick with 352x240. I'll tink around some more and see if I can mod your template. I like what it does, just the filesize is too big. Maybe I'l d/l 2.53. I'm burning your sample right now. Let you know if anything changes.

[thegig]

Kwag, I ran the sample. not bad! It ran on both APEX and the JVC

[kwag]

@thegig

Great!. And they played and displayed correctly?.

What resolution do you capture from your digital cable box?
Filesize too big?, yes, download 2.53.

kwag

[UnClEtOnY]

any1 help me. im converting half baked from a 610mb avi to hopefully this method of ntsc and trying to squeeze onto 1 disk now once encoded the file size is like 900mb in mpeg using kwags tempelate slightly moded i think but cant remeber which i saved any 1 tell me where im going wrong?????

>--pasteobject TMPEGConfigFile
MPEG.Text = ''
MPEG.WizardCategoryName = ''
MPEG.WizardSubFormatName = ''
MPEG.WizardCaption = ''
MPEG.WizardDescription = ''
MPEG.OutputStreamType = MPEG_OutputStreamType_System_VideoAudio
MPEG.OutputStreamType_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.StreamType = MPEGVideoEncoder_StreamType_MPEG1
MPEG.Video.StreamType_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.Width = 352
MPEG.Video.Width_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.Height = 240
MPEG.Video.Height_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.YUVFormat = 1
MPEG.Video.YUVFormat_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.DC_prec = 0
MPEG.Video.DC_prec_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.VideoEncodeMode = MPEGVideoEncoder_VideoEncodeMode_Progressive
MPEG.Video.VideoEncodeMode_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.FrameRate = 5
MPEG.Video.FrameRate_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.AspectRatio = 12
MPEG.Video.AspectRatio_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.RateControlMode = MPEGVideoEncoder_RateControlMode_VBR_Auto
MPEG.Video.RateControlMode_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.MaxBitRate = 0
MPEG.Video.MaxBitRate_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.MinBitRate = 0
MPEG.Video.MinBitRate_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.CBR_BitRate = 1150000
MPEG.Video.VBR_MultipassVBRAlgorithm = MPEGVideoEncoder_MultipassVBRAlgorithm_2PASS
MPEG.Video.VBR_AvgBitRate = 1150000
MPEG.Video.VBR_MaxBitRate = 1150000
MPEG.Video.VBR_MinBitRate = 0
MPEG.Video.VBR_MaxPassCount = 0
MPEG.Video.VBR_Quality_P = 0
MPEG.Video.VBR_Quality_B = 20
MPEG.Video.VBR_EnablePadding = False
MPEG.Video.MVBR_MaxBitRate = 3000000
MPEG.Video.MVBR_MinBitRate = 0
MPEG.Video.MVBR_Quality_P = 0
MPEG.Video.MVBR_Quality_B = 20
MPEG.Video.MVBR_EnablePadding = False
MPEG.Video.AVBR_Quality = 70
MPEG.Video.AVBR_MaxBitRate = 2300000
MPEG.Video.AVBR_MinBitRate = 300000
MPEG.Video.AVBR_EnablePadding = False
MPEG.Video.CQ_Quality = 70
MPEG.Video.CQ_Quality_P = 0
MPEG.Video.CQ_Quality_B = 20
MPEG.Video.CQ_MaxBitRate = 2300000
MPEG.Video.CQ_MinBitRate = 300000
MPEG.Video.CQ_EnablePadding = True
MPEG.Video.VBVBufferSize = 49152
MPEG.Video.VBVBufferSize_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.GOP_SeqHeaderInterval = 1
MPEG.Video.GOP_SeqHeaderInterval_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.GOP_I_FrameCount = 1
MPEG.Video.GOP_I_FrameCount_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.GOP_P_FrameCount = 20
MPEG.Video.GOP_P_FrameCount_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.GOP_B_FrameCount = 3
MPEG.Video.GOP_B_FrameCount_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.GOP_BitStreamForEdit = False
MPEG.Video.GOP_BitStreamForEdit_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.GOP_MaxFrameCount = 0
MPEG.Video.GOP_MaxFrameCount_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.QuantizeMatrix_Intra_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.QuantizeMatrix_NonIntra_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.Profile = 4
MPEG.Video.Profile_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.Level = 8
MPEG.Video.Level_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.VideoFormat = 2
MPEG.Video.VideoFormat_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.DisplayWidth = 0
MPEG.Video.DisplayWidth_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.DisplayHeight = 0
MPEG.Video.DisplayHeight_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.MotionSearchSpeed = MPEGVideoEncoder_MotionSearchSpeed_Normal
MPEG.Video.MotionSearch_AlwaysHalfPel = False
MPEG.Video.UseFloatDCT = True
MPEG.Video.QuantizeMode = False
MPEG.Video.QuantizeModeVal_Intra = 35
MPEG.Video.QuantizeModeVal_NonIntra = 35
MPEG.Video.YUVBasicYCbCr = False
MPEG.Video.QuantizeMatrix_Intra = {
081013161A1B1D22101016181B1D222513161A1B1D22222616 161A1B1D222528
161A1B1D202328301A1B1D202328303A1A1B1D22262E38451B 1D23262E384553}
MPEG.Video.QuantizeMatrix_NonIntra = {
10111213141516171112131415161718121314151617181913 14151617181A1B
14151617191A1B1C151617181A1B1C1E1617181A1B1C1E1F17 18191B1C1E1F21}
MPEG.Audio.StreamType = MPEGAudioEncoder_StreamType_MPEG1_Layer2
MPEG.Audio.StreamType_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Audio.SamplingFrequency = 44100
MPEG.Audio.SamplingFrequency_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Audio.ChannelMode = 1
MPEG.Audio.ChannelMode_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Audio.CantUseMono = False
MPEG.Audio.BitRate = 128000
MPEG.Audio.BitRate_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Audio.CalcCRC = False
MPEG.Audio.CalcCRC_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Audio.OriginalFlag = False
MPEG.Audio.OriginalFlag_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Audio.CopyrightFlag = False
MPEG.Audio.CopyrightFlag_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Audio.PrivateFlag = False
MPEG.Audio.PrivateFlag_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Audio.EmphasisType = 0
MPEG.Audio.EmphasisType_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.System.StreamType = MPEGSystemEncoder_StreamType_MPEG1_VideoCD_Illegal
MPEG.System.StreamType_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.System.CommentText = ''
MPEG.System.EnableCommentText = False
end

[kwag]

What is the running time of "half baked" ?.
Is it full screen or wide screen ???

Not all movies will fit on a single CD. Drama, etc, will fit with space to spare but some action movies close to 2 hours won't ( Like Lethal Weapon 4 ).

If your movie is just so complex that it creates a file way above 820MB, which is about the max that can be overburned on a 80 minute CD, then lower the resolution on the template to 352x240.

Now it'll fit!.

kwag

[UnClEtOnY]

its a widescreen film must say wicked quality 30fps res of 720 by 423. i keep messing around with the settings under settings->system what is the stream type? and automatic vbr im using yeah? under settings?
cant understand why its producing that high im relacing the audio in from a wav but............

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

please help :x

[Bud]

Kwag,

I am using the Hollywood Bridge, with Adobe Premiere 6.01 the default setting for DV2 720x480 depth millions, 100% quality setting via the 1394 Firewire


Bud

[star_wolf39]

Just got a newbie question here...

I'm going to try the template that Kwag has provided us, but have a question regarding Nero. After you encode using Kwag's template and place the .mpg file into Nero, it asks if you want Nero to re encode the file for you. Should I allow Nero to encode the file itself, or will this mess up the settings that Kwag's template have already created?

By the way, I have an RCA DVD Player, and are there any known problems when playing CD-Rs or CD-RWs in it? It does say it's VCD compatible.

Thanks.

[thegig]

Kwag, I take it this was a widescreen rip. The JVC played fine, some blocks on my 27". No sound skipping either. The APEX, well as someone pointed out earlier, they don't like 24 FPS. video was alittle jumpy. Could you send me your email? I have some other questions that have nothing to do with this thread.

[anime_addict]

I used KingViper's SVCD Template to convert a 104min movies to fit on a 80min cd. I changed the CBR to 912k, I got this number from the bitrate calc. The movie I used was American Pie 2. The final file size after TMPGenc encoded it was 469MB. I burned it to a cd-rw 650MB disk. Played it on my APEX 660 model. The movie plays great, but when I fast forward and play the movie it is out of sync with the audio. I was wondering why this is happening. Like I said the movies plays great when it start from the beginning and just plays.

Thank you

[kwag]

Just got a newbie question here...

I'm going to try the template that Kwag has provided us, but have a question regarding Nero. After you encode using Kwag's template and place the .mpg file into Nero, it asks if you want Nero to re encode the file for you. Should I allow Nero to encode the file itself, or will this mess up the settings that Kwag's template have already created?

By the way, I have an RCA DVD Player, and are there any known problems when playing CD-Rs or CD-RWs in it? It does say it's VCD compatible.

Thanks.

You have to burn it as VCD and turn OFF compliance. Don't let Nero re-encode it.

I don't know about your RCA model's compatibility. The best way is to download one of the samples provided and burn it to see if it plays on your DVD player.

[kwag]

Could you send me your email? I have some other questions that have nothing to do with this thread.

Just click on the E-Mail tab above this message!.

[star_wolf39]

Hey Kwag I tried doing the method you described, using your template and turning off the compliance with Nero. However, when I burned it onto a 700 MB Memorex CD-RW, my RCA 5215P didn't play it correctly. The sound worked for about 10 seconds, and the image was just a bunch of garbled block like figures. I will try your sample and see if I can make that work, but if you have any ideas why it hasn't worked for me so far I would be happy to know them.

[star_wolf39]

OK I tried running the action movie test that Kwag posted but when I played it on my RCA 5215P the sound came out alright but there was a green color all over the video. You could make out what was going on, but there was a green tint on the screen. What could be causing this?

[star_wolf39]

I tried the other test clip, Geri's Game, with the same results. Both videos flickered this strange green color but the audio was fine.

[kwag]

Hi star_wolf39:

I guess your DVD player doesn't support variable bitrate or the resolution. Most likely the VBR

Sorry!, can't win'em all!.

[sean madison]

kwag- just give it up!!

Bout 85% of the people who have commented on ur template has problems!
This is xvcd and seein who can and cannot play it? just go to the dvd player compatibility list and read the comments.

I have NEVER and i mean NEVER had 1 person complain about the templates i just recently made and i know how to do it too cuz i release them out to a few people who powerhouse the hell out of em and see if they can ever get anything bad to happen. If anything does happen, i fix em until they are ready to be distributed.

Kwag, u should try my temps since they are ONLY for d2v and avi dvd rips.
SVCD dvd rip temps coming soon........
Also, look forward to vcd temps as well......

[UnClEtOnY]

used the tempelate on half baked and got just over a 2 hour film onto CD overburned to the brim!!!!!
Tried it on my mates DVD think its a Panasonic. Looks nice the pictues quite good but it jerks a bit even in low motion screens but i did knock the res to 352/240
try again when i get more CD-rs .
(run out as i had to put about 92 divx and avi on CD for backup took time!!!!!! )

[star_wolf39]

hey sean where can i get your templates?

[Bull]

I've gotta be honest I haven't read any of these post, there is 6 pages it would just make me more dumb.

Do any of your guy's have the resapy for a good SVCD from a captured avi, cause I've tryed the one under "how to" and it turned out as S.H.I.T., please help?

Oh yeah I wrote it here (1) there is alot of people (2) I've wrote this at the forum befor but didn't get a reply.

[bilbogod]

Kwag, I'm giving your template a go now. Unfortunately I no longer have a copy of Platoon that I had been testing out previous templates like Cyberimage26's on. I'm interested to see the final result..... When this has finished encoding shall I mux, remux (non - std vcd) and burn or just burn as a regular vcd ?? Btw I have adjusted your template to the respective PAL settings....

[kwag]

kwag- just give it up!!

Bout 85% of the people who have commented on ur template has problems!

Sorry Sean, you got your % turned around.

My E-Mail box is full of thanks. I did try your templates, and even though the results were ok, they never aproached the quality and space savings that I have been getting.

I suggest you read the book "Video Demystified" by Keith Jack.

There is where I learned "a lot" about MPEG, and specially about quantization and GOP structure. And that's how I figured out the GOP 1,15,3,1 or 1,20,3,1 that I have been using and I haven't seen anywhere in this site or in any template.

This was not a "trial and error" experiment, it's plain analysis of the MPEG streams.

kwag

[kwag]

Kwag, I'm giving your template a go now. Unfortunately I no longer have a copy of Platoon that I had been testing out previous templates like Cyberimage26's on. I'm interested to see the final result..... When this has finished encoding shall I mux, remux (non - std vcd) and burn or just burn as a regular vcd ?? Btw I have adjusted your template to the respective PAL settings....

Hi:

Just download the samples, or make a small test clip, and burn as non-standard VCD. If you use Nero, just burn as VCD and turn OFF compliancy check. This will verify that you can play the format in your DVD player, just to be sure it's compatible.

I personally use VCDEasy, because it let's me put in the original chapters ( with Chapter Xtractor ), so my xVCD have identical chapters as on the original DVD.

kwag