HERE's HOW TO FIT 120mins movie on one cd in SVCD FORMAT!!!!

[vhelp]

afternoon all.
( damn, I was hoping NOT to be the start of page 25, he, he... )


UPDATE:
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MITSUI_1

Ah, yes, it's working now.
I forgot go to reset the "source" range in tmpg. dummy me!, he, he, ....

Thanks a buch all!!!!!!

will try and come back with some samples

-vhelp
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Now that I have my 2nd pc up and running and my network AND dialup all
working greatly, I'm having trouble finding some samples to share here
...in reference to the kwag template. ben meaning to do some using
some Captured source vs. straight DVD source.

In my troubles with dialup and networking my 2 pcs, I've had to unstall
and/or scratch many software and drivers to ablivia! And, in the
process, i've lost some of my settings in vdub, tmpg, etc., etc. or at
least some standard files I long since used as templates (they got deleted
in error) in my attempts to re-format w/ clean windows 98.
bla, bla, bla.

In attempts to re-do some samples using captured source, to try on kwags
template, and to share w/ you's here, i've NOW ben able to get my .AVS file
to encode via this route:
* vdub --> 01.avs --> tmpg

Works fine NOW thanks to Mitsui_1 for reminding me of the "avisource"
alternative which I forgot about - dummy me.

I was hoping to post some sample here to share this weekend, soon as
i can get my act together here. I'm juggling my projects and ideas around.

Kwag, i am looking forward to encoding some 1 hour footage, be it from
a Captured source, or DVD, though my emphathis is on Captured source for
your template in hopes for a change in my prev. review of your GOPs way
back in page 12 I think, he, he... ...but, not that there needs to be.

Hopefully i'll have some numbers on encoding via my new pc setup - -
ESC K7S5A, XP 1800+ setup for Encoding projects.

again, thanks for all your support
-vhelp

[MITSUI_1]

vhelp

Try avisource as opposed to mpeg2souce

Update: yup, I'm right. a vdub frame serve is a fake AVI file, not an MPEG 2 file. by using mpeg2source, you're causing avisynth to choke. Seriously, use AVIsource!

[vhelp]

MITSUI_1,

ah, it almost worked, but here is what I get now <<exception here>>

it almost cause me to bomb out and restart windows and lose my dialup.
but if it does happen, i'll be back.

tanx.

-vhelp

[MITSUI_1]

Hmmm...

What is your AVS line 3?

(Also, question: Why are you using BOTH avisynth and vdub? As I see it, you're going to lose some major quality. Vdub filters work only in 24bit rbg colorspace wherease AVISynth uses yuy2. All those colorspace conversions are not only slow but also degrade quality. (and in ways that flub up compressibility, in my experience).

Can't you do everything you need to do in just one of them?

[vhelp]

MIT,

I've rvised my first post at top.

I use (continue to use) for personal reasons, and also, because I like to be
able to see how filters affect my AVI files BEFORE i frameserve to tmpg.

AFAIK, you can't do that via an AVS file. And there's a lot of guesing and
redoing if things don't work out in your AVS script file. And, not to mention
that I'm still wet behind the ears when it comes to AVS scripting, he, he...

But, i've done some pretty good stuff in vdub, so don't knock it too hard.
I can't vouch for you, but my encodes via vdub to tmpg have ben great.
I don't know how your's have come out, but I'd SURE love to see how
lowzy encodes of your via vdub that you're talking about. Cause I don't
seem to see any in mine, he, he...
You think I should do a short comparison between vdub and AVIsynth's
frameserving quality? ? ? I would need to be as close to both settings
though for it to be fair. What-da-ya think? ?? ...or not. Just a fun thought!

Just a thouht, vdub's v1.3c seems to do well in color space (though slow)
As far as I can tell. I do know that the newer versions don't utilize the
most of the filters, EVEN though you see them in vdub's window. Once you
frameserve it to tmpg, NO change. But, in v1.3c those filters, ie color
changes do show up in tmpg AND get encoded. I found this out through
trial and error. Don't know if you all know this, he, he....

-vhelp

[MITSUI_1]

vhelp

Thanks for the comments. I think the error was mine. I read your earlier post and thought, for a moment, that you were using both AVS and VDUB on footage from a DVD rip. That, in my view, is the place where you can "notice" the impact of repeated colorspace conversions.

Anyway... for captured stuff, I ususually use both as well! ('Cept I open my AVS script in vdub and save to an intermediate HUFFY file before encoding. -- The intermediate file lets you use the temporalsmoother filter in VDub, which cannot be used when frame serving).

I'll try to find some free space to post some of my better SVCD results.

[vhelp]

mit, (name too hard to type)

yerwelcome.

Yes, I was refering to Captured source (satalite)

I've ben experienting in YUV2 capturing vs. 24RFB via
AVI_IO. I have a strange problem w/ final AVI file,but
managed to temp.rly fix it. I'm trying to see if I notice
any quality difference. So far, I've managed to convence
myself that their is??, but it seem too taxing in my
system. I've noticed the AVI_IO's buffer numbers on the
left size ie, 2/50 jumps up to 10/50 and 23/50 when capping
in YUV2 space.
I've ben futtsing w/ the <-- Convert to YUY2
But doesn't this seem to be double compressing it?
You can see my confusion.

Am I wrong about YUV2 better than 24RGB? ? ?
If I use the 24RGB mode for capping for huffy, I get the
low 2/50 buffer range. So, i don't know exactly.
But, never the less, either way I capping (color space
wise) I get good encodes in tmpg. So, I guess it doesn't
really matter, less you have something better to offer
!'wise, he, he....

I seem to remember having problems with vdub accepting the
AVS files. So, I gave up on trying a while ago. How do
I get it up and running (any version of vdub) ? ? ?

thanks all, for your input/support
(kwag must be napping, he, he...)
-vhelp

[MITSUI_1]

Hi, vhelp

Here's my understanding of it:

"Technically" RGB is higher quality than YUV format because that involves more data being remembered for each pixel.

YUV uses less data per second because instead of it requiring a red, green and blue number for each pixel, it uses luminance and chrominance data.

Here's the problem: I have been told that the chips in most capture cards (including my Hauppauge) do the analog ==> digital conversion to YUY2 internally no matter what. So if you ask your capture card to deliver the information to the PCI bus in RGB formate the card merely extrapolates (e.g., upsamples) to the RGB information. In theory there is no increase in quality since the card is starting with luminance/chrominance data anyway.

So, what the above means is that if you use HUFFY and tell your card to collect the data in RGB (but also tell Huffy to do the YUV <-- RGB conversion) the data does the following:

ANALONG===>YUY2 (inside cap card) ==> RGB 24 (insider Cap card) ==> 24BIT HUFFY ==> YUY2 HUFFY (if you tell it to) ==> Avi File.

Alternatively, if you simply go straight from your card to HUFFY in YUV format you get:

ANALOG==> YUY2 (in cap card) ==> HUFFY (YUY2) ==> AVI FILE.

[kwag]

(kwag must be napping, he, he...)
-vhelp

Yes!! because I had been awake for almost 24 hours messing around and all tangled up with HTML and PHP code trying to get kvcd.net up. And I did!.

You're all welcome. Check it out.

http://www.kvcd.net was born today!.

Enjoy and have fun,
kwag

[LazyBoy]

:P gratulation :P

nice page!

[kwag]

:P gratulation :P

nice page!

Thanks LazyBoy:

And now, I AM going to go to sleep. If not, I'm going to have keyboard marks in my face

See'ya all later.

kwag

[bilbogod]

you sure as hell got that site up and running quickly..... Great work !!!

[vhelp]

This REALLY SUCK!!

Baldrick, case you're reading this thread. . .
I just posted a good page, and I got the DAMN "do not double post"
message, and I know I did dobule post or double click on the submit
button, and when I proceeded to click on the link to re-edit (cause I
didn't want to take a chance it was gone) it turned out TO BE GONE!!
Rats!!!

I post message again, but really, i can't remember it all, and i'm really
busy w/ many things going on.

Kwag, in short, congrates.

OK, the trick I used to get this post working, I held down the "shift" key
and clicked on the submit button. I click on submit button many times
and kept getting that error message - I will try this "shit"-submit sequence
again now.

-vhelp

[Bigswaffo]

You're saying that FitCD shows the how to do the borders and everything. Well, I downloaded it and I can't figure anything out. Is there a guide y'all know about that could lead the blind? Also, just to clarify things, VirtualDub alone is good for quality compared to AVISynth, right?

[kwag]

You're saying that FitCD shows the how to do the borders and everything. Well, I downloaded it and I can't figure anything out. Is there a guide y'all know about that could lead the blind? Also, just to clarify things, VirtualDub alone is good for quality compared to AVISynth, right?

Hi Bigswaffo:

When you run FitCD, you press the the Open folder right under the MPEG Resizing bar. Then select your .d2v file.

Then just select the destination size to be 1/2 DVD and besides crop select accurate.

On the bottom right press the little button "mpeg2dec.dll" to select this dll wherever you have it in your hard disk. This is only done once, since the program will remember that directory next time.

Now press the little floppy disk icon in the far bottom right, and save your film.avs file.

Hope this gets you started.

kwag

[Bigswaffo]

Kwag,
Thanks. But their is one problem. I tried to load the film.avs into TMPGEnc under the video source tab, and it said that it can not open or is unsupported. Am I doing something wrong?

[kwag]

Kwag,
Thanks. But their is one problem. I tried to load the film.avs into TMPGEnc under the video source tab, and it said that it can not open or is unsupported. Am I doing something wrong?

Nothing wrong.

Did you install AviSynth ?.

If not, grab it here:
http://home.concepts.nl/~hzon00008/bin/Avisynthv105.zip

And install it. Then you will be able to open .avs files.

kwag

[bilbogod]

Kwag will you still be hosting clips that were on your previous site, and does that site still exist because your link has changed in the signature section??

[Bigswaffo]

Thanks!!!
Also, I'm using the resolution of 352x240. I don't know whether you're talking about both 352x480 and 352x240. What, if anything, should I change under FitCD to do this little "trick" again under 352x240?

[baker]

PLEASE CHANGE THE NAME OF THIS POST IT IS MISLEADING!!!

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SVCD ANYMOREE, YOU GUYS ARE ONLY USING A RES OF 352X288 INSTED OF CORRECT SVCD RES.

Baker

[vhelp]

evening all,

If its not too nervy of me, a thread change would be nice??
After all, the thread was based on one posters theory (template) and
then a 2nd poster shared their template, and from that point on,
its ben the 2nd's posters thread since. In all fairness, it would be
respectful to start a new one so I don't get double/vision, he, he...
ie, y2flyy/kwag
Remember, kwag can't change this post, only y2flyy can - it's his.
But, kwag sure can start another one, he, he...

In all honesty, how about:
* "aprox 120min. xVCD on 1 CD close to SVCD video quality"
* "kvcd 120min. on 1 CD template (xVCD comparatible to SVCD video quality)"
.
.
to get things going.
Hope I wasn't out of line here, can we all be friends, he, he...

[bilbogod]

But if he does that then we'll never get to see this thread reach the 100,000 view mark. I want to know what'll happen when the numbers can no longer fit in the boxes

[lirasl]

I am experiencing a weird problem when using Kwag's template.
Although I get mpeg files that should fit in an 80min CD (i.e. 750 Mb) they actually do not!!
When using VCDEasy and preparing the CD image, a message appears "autopadding - hope it is right for you" and says that 240 million zeros should be added because unaligned blocks. This means that the image ends up in more than 900 Mb. When using Nero, after loading the file, it automatically shows more than 90 minutes in the duration bar.
What is wrong?

Thanks in advance,

Luis

Hi Luis:

As I posted above. Did you burn one of the samples in the web site???

kwag

Kwag,

Yes, I tried your web samples and they work, as well as some of my own files (PAL). Surprisingly enough, it seems to be an intermitent problem with TMPGenc . In some cases, the resulting mpeg stream is ok and in some others it seems to be unaligned (not always - although in both cases they play ok with Windows Media). I have been tweaking several parameters of your template just in case, but I could not establish any correlation between parameters and misalignment (apparently it fails more when audio sampling rate is 48K instead of 44,1K, but not always, and demuxing and muxing definitively spoils the file. Still trying with several values of System->StreamType: MPEG-1 VideoCD (standard), (non-standard), (VBR)...).

Any other idea?

lirasl - just convert your TMPGenc created mpeg into a bin and cue file using vcdimager and burn with cdrwin. That'll do the trick.

I've used VCDEasy and TSCV with VCDimager 0.7.11 and 12 all the time with similar results. The problem arises when converting to the bin and cue files. I also looked at VCDimage manual, but information about autopadding was too scarce as to understand where the problem comes from (or how to deactivate the autopadding feature). Nero detects the problem as soon as I drop the mpeg file, expanding its size bar to the file's final duration.

Has anyone else got similar problems?

Thanks in advace,

Luis

[ZeppelinFan]

Hey Kwag,

How's things going there buddy?
It's been awhile since I have posted here. Been too busy encoding and downloading movies from Kazaa and such. lol
Well, anyhow I was wondering, is there a program out there that can change a .rm (real player file) to an .avi file or a .mpg file? I have every South Park episode there is, and I have two files that are .rm and I don't know what to use to change them over to .avi or .mpg files. But other then that I have all of them and half are already switched to kvcds..lol

And to whoever else that may want to know, my screen name on Kazaa is the same as here.

Thanx,

[Qute11]

Hi everybody:
WOW, what a post.

Thanks KWAG for the wealth of information.

Can you or anybody tell me if there is an advamtage to use DVDDecrypter over the Smart Ripper?

Thanks.

[kwag]

Hi everybody:
WOW, what a post.

Thanks KWAG for the wealth of information.

Can you or anybody tell me if there is an advamtage to use DVDDecrypter over the Smart Ripper?

Thanks.

Thanks, and everyone that has helped here too!.

Try CladDVD XP. I'm getting better results with this that the other programs.

kwag

[y2flyy]

When are yall going to give me props for starting this thread
i made a great find that alot of ppl have thank me for and have
successfully used
putting a movie in svcd format on one cd was thought impossible by many
before I discovered that it can be done with no quality loss
i know that this thread has drifting to kwag WONDERFUL template and great help by him
and I also want to thank him again for all the great helped and things he has done
but you guys can still pay homage to the creator of the biggest thread in vcdhelp.com history
y2flyy

[bilbogod]

LOL..... Dude you should check out some flash animations by a guy called Joecartoon. He has a character called "SupahFly" that demands some respect....Its funny as hell. Maybe you should change the name to this as well.....

[Qute11]

KWAG:
Any adjustments should be made for ripping the Disney cartoons?

PLMK

[sokhapkin]

Hi MITSUI_1:

You're 100% right.

That's the main reason I am using FitCD, because it creates the .avs script
automagically, with the correct resize/borders/macroblock aligned, etc.

To do this manually, would be time consuming, because almost every movie is different.

Most people just use the function BillinearResize( x, y ) without any parameters, and don't use AddBorders( w, x, y, z ), so they don't get the benefit of the function's power.

kwag

Here is my avs script I'm using to resize the video to vcd compatible size if the source aspect ratio is 1:1 VGA (as for most divx files and for DVD rip):

clip=avifilesource("your fuc^H^Havorite movie.avi")
#check if the clip is in PAL or NTSC (NTSCFilm) format
fh=clip.framerate <= 24 || clip.framerate > 25? 240: 288
fw=352
h = (clip.height*fw)/clip.width
b = (fh-h)/2
bilinearresize(clip,fw, h)
addborders(0,b,0,b)

Replace 240 and 288 with 480 and 576 for your templates and set fw to 480 for SVCD encoding:

         VCD  XVCD/kwag  SVCD
fhNTSC   240     480      480
fhPAL    288     576      576
fw       352     352      480

That's very easy:-)