HERE's HOW TO FIT 120mins movie on one cd in SVCD FORMAT!!!!

[bilbogod]

Another poster on this forum IM'd me to say that his dvd player a "Yelo" I think, was stuttering slightly on playback with the cq set at 70. This was remedied when he increased the setting up to 90. What is actually happening here when you increase the quality setting, because the max and min bitrates are remaining the same aren't they??
One other thing he noticed is that despite powerdvd showing that his copy of Dinosaur - Dvd is 25 fps, it actually shows up as 20 when you preview it in dvd2avi. Could this be correct, or a possible cause of the problem??

[kwag]

Another poster on this forum IM'd me to say that his dvd player a "Yelo" I think, was stuttering slightly on playback with the cq set at 70. This was remedied when he increased the setting up to 90. What is actually happening here when you increase the quality setting, because the max and min bitrates are remaining the same aren't they??
One other thing he noticed is that despite powerdvd showing that his copy of Dinosaur - Dvd is 25 fps, it actually shows up as 20 when you preview it in dvd2avi. Could this be correct, or a possible cause of the problem??

Hi bilbogod:

Did you ask him if he had burned one of the samples in the site to test his DVD player?.

I've had some people tell me that they had problems with playback, but it was the way they did the encoding. When they burned your PAL sample , or some of my NTSC, they played fine.

kwag

[bilbogod]

No ....I'll get him to do this ....trouble is he's such a lazy tight wad he probably wont wanna waste another cd (sorry if your reading this dude )- no offense

[lirasl]

I am experiencing a weird problem when using Kwag's template.
Although I get mpeg files that should fit in an 80min CD (i.e. 750 Mb) they actually do not!!
When using VCDEasy and preparing the CD image, a message appears "autopadding - hope it is right for you" and says that 240 million zeros should be added because unaligned blocks. This means that the image ends up in more than 900 Mb. When using Nero, after loading the file, it automatically shows more than 90 minutes in the duration bar.
What is wrong?

Thanks in advance,

Luis

[kwag]

I am experiencing a weird problem when using Kwag's template.
Although I get mpeg files that should fit in an 80min CD (i.e. 750 Mb) they actually do not!!
When using VCDEasy and preparing the CD image, a message appears "autopadding - hope it is right for you" and says that 240 million zeros should be added because unaligned blocks. This means that the image ends up in more than 900 Mb. When using Nero, after loading the file, it automatically shows more than 90 minutes in the duration bar.
What is wrong?

Thanks in advance,

Luis

Hi Luis:

As I posted above. Did you burn one of the samples in the web site???

kwag

[bilbogod]

lirasl - just convert your TMPGenc created mpeg into a bin and cue file using vcdimager and burn with cdrwin. That'll do the trick.

[I_LIKE_FIRE2005]

you have 2 look at the pre DivX days, back when we used asf, it was awesom, i still use it today. but it is only playable on computer, u cant make ne type of vcd with it

if u wanna make asf movies go to www.sonicfoundry.com and download stream anywhere

[Ali G WiKiT]

hello, this is my first time being here but i do know some things about this over the past few yrs.

I tried kwags template, remodified it and listen to these results-

480x480 can also be compressed to have a smaller file size using CQ 2400 and CQ of 82 and i even used audio at 192.

Now, the thing that got me is quite weird

I first tried it as 352x240 since 352x480 is xvcd. When it got done encoding, the quality was a little blocky, so my main question rises-

I do not understand the gop structure that well but obviously kwag does, hehe.

It's wild how we can raise the bitrate so high and have such a small file size but that is where the question comes in at-

When the I is 1, P is 20, B 3, whatever it does to it, it seems that if i just use like cq of 1100 qu-58, it would produce the same quality with the normal settings of I-1 P-5 B-2, Although i can never get it as compressed as kwag.

And to add on to the question-
If the max is let's say 2400, how can we be guaranteed that the max value is EVER reached when encoding because with such a small file size, it violates math.

2400= 300 kb\sec, 128 = 16 kb\sec

I know this is not cbr but the file size is so small.
I encoded a whole movie last night at 2400 cq-82 and file size under 600mb!

Has anyone else seen that the quality is roughly the same at lower bitrates w\o changing gop structure?

Unless i'm doin somethin wrong, only thing new and wild is smaller file size for more stuff!!!

[kwag]

hello, this is my first time being here but i do know some things about this over the past few yrs.

I tried kwags template, remodified it and listen to these results-

480x480 can also be compressed to have a smaller file size using CQ 2400 and CQ of 82 and i even used audio at 192.

Now, the thing that got me is quite weird

I first tried it as 352x240 since 352x480 is xvcd. When it got done encoding, the quality was a little blocky, so my main question rises-

I do not understand the gop structure that well but obviously kwag does, hehe.

It's wild how we can raise the bitrate so high and have such a small file size but that is where the question comes in at-

When the I is 1, P is 20, B 3, whatever it does to it, it seems that if i just use like cq of 1100 qu-58, it would produce the same quality with the normal settings of I-1 P-5 B-2, Although i can never get it as compressed as kwag.

And to add on to the question-
If the max is let's say 2400, how can we be guaranteed that the max value is EVER reached when encoding because with such a small file size, it violates math.

2400= 300 kb\sec, 128 = 16 kb\sec

I know this is not cbr but the file size is so small.
I encoded a whole movie last night at 2400 cq-82 and file size under 600mb!

Has anyone else seen that the quality is roughly the same at lower bitrates w\o changing gop structure?

Unless i'm doin somethin wrong, only thing new and wild is smaller file size for more stuff!!!

Hi Ali G WiKiT:

The trick is that the MAX bit rate in CQ is used in "bursts" of high action and movement scened. For average scenes, low motion, etc, you can go down around 800Kbps and the quality will be the same as if you had a CBR of 2,000Kbps.

The quality/bit rate ratio is not linear.

Also the high number of P frames is what gives the high compression on low movement scenes.

Depending on the movie you are trying to do, it's a lottery!, because some will fit and some will be very large.

If you try to fit something like ""Lethal Weapon", you'll see what I mean!. The file size is huge, because the movie has so much action, that the bit rate is always around 1,800Kbps+. So it makes a large file.

But when all else fails!, just drop the resolution in the template to 352x240, and I'm pretty sure that you'll be able to fit just about any 3 hour movie in 2 CD-R's.

There's one movie for sure that I think will never fit.

That's "Ben Hur", anyone remember that!. I think it's about 5 hours long.

kwag

[bilbogod]

Well if you look at the clips posted be El (whathisname) ZORRO or something you'll see that he has managed a filesize of 1 minute at 2,4MB including sound I guess if it stays that way, you'd get 5 and a half hours on 1 cd

[kwag]

Hi bilbogod:

I tried to download one of the samples of "Pear Harbor" but I got an error.
So I can't tell what it looks like!.

@Everyone E-mailing me:
If anyone has been e-mailing me to kwag@openhere.com, sorry that I haven't answered, because their E-Mail system has been trashed for the last 2 days, and I haven't received any messages.

My new e-mail is kwag@ureach.com and is updated in the E-Mail link in the web site.

kwag

[JiRo]

Hi!
I use kwag Templates to make my xvcd movies and then I can play them in my Stand Alone DVD (PHILIPS DVD 722). But sometimes the movie stop playing for a few seconds and in worst case the movie stop and I must start over. Has anyone any ide what i'm doing wrong?

:roll:

JiRo

[energy80s]

Kwag, I tried out your PAL template but the picture is aspected wrong. TMPGenc codes it as a 21:9 widescreen image when it is really a 4:3 standard one. I found I had to set the aspect ratio to "Full Screen" to get the proper 4:3 back again. Have you found this too?

[Ali G WiKiT]

Yes, it me again.

You know, your template is set for 352x480, if file size too big, drop to 352x240.

I like doin svcds. I am trying to do pal svcd- 480x576 with ur temp.

IT's lookin rather bad, not in quality, but like- max is now 1600 qu-68

U know anything you could provide to us with this size of resolution to compress it a lot?

I have noticed in quantize matrix- leave at default makes file size smaller.
Check anything in there besides DCT will make file size go UP.

I've been messing with the gop structure but am not getting no where.

I set the P to 45 but no better file size compression at fast frames.
I even moved B to 20 and no different.

[cagger1]

Kwag wrote:
You shouldn't get any blocks if you have a clean source, because of the high bit rate of 2,300Kbps.

What are you converting from. DIVx????

cagger1 wrote:
Converting from DVD (!!!). I've been using a high action scene from The Matrix (helicopter shooting at agents holding Morpheous prisoner) to do testing with (gunfire, smoke, water, etc.).

System is WinME Athlon 1000 w/ 512mb ram. Programs are Smartripper, DVD2AVI d2v file (forced film) frameserved with Avisynth into TMPGEnc 2.52.

Help!



Kwag wrote:
First, download TMPEG 2.53.


Give this a try:
It's my settings I used earlier today for matrix.
Save this script to, say, film.avs ( and modify your paths, of course )


LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\MPEG2DEC.dll")
mpeg2source("F:\THE_MATRIX_16X9LB_N_AMERICA\VIDEO_ TS\matrix.d2v")
BilinearResize(352,352,0,0,720,480)
TemporalSmoother(2,2)
AddBorders(0,64,0,64)


In TMPEG under Settings/Advanced change the input aspect to "16:9 Display" and to "Full Screen"

Also change the CQ to 74.

This did not work at all! The encoded movie had "wavey artifacts" visible on wall, etc., almost like it was encoded as ASF or some other crappy format. I tried it with 352 x 352 as you suggested and 352 x 480 in the avs file, since the tmpenc template is for the latter (assuming x 480 in the avs is what you meant to say). Same results either way...

By the way, I AM running TMPGEnc 2.53 (not 2.52 as I said earlier). Other notes: I'm using avisynth.dll v1.0beta 5 and have directshow filter disabled in tmpgenc and vfapi filter as priority 1.

I've tried burning at slower speeds and this seems to help reduce (but not eliminate) macroblocks visible on the dvd player (which by the way is a toshiba listed as VCD/XVCD compatible on this website). Your matrix.mpeg file plays perfectly on the dvdplayer, so I think its a combination of encoding problems and burning problems that I'm dealing with...Next, I'm going to buy some expensive CDRs and burn a clip at 1x to see if that improves the situation at all.

Any other ideas?

[stilllost]

Hi Kwag

Hope you can point me in a direction to fix a sync prob ....mostly audio.
Have made aprox 30 samples with different setings with kvcd.
Bunt to vcd ( including a couple of your samples) .
Comp plays them all fine but Dvd player has sync probs ..only plays the clips that are cbr.
Noticed some other users are having same prob, Have there been any fixes for this that you know ......or am I stuck .
Any pointers or other options I can try ...
Besides buying new player that is....
Thanks have a great day

[Bud]

Kwag,

I Have the Panasonic DVD-RAM E20, just recorded a movie onto the DVD-RAM, move itto my PC via the L311 DVD-RAM. It plays back great with great sounds via the Windows Media Player, I loaded it in TMPGEnc 2.53, opened your Templates, ran the conversion process, when it was completed it came out to be about 550MB + or -. however there was no sound, so I went back and ran the process again with the normal VCD template again no sound. What am I missing? Would alos like to know what "Video Stableizer" you use, mine just won't do the trick with the Panasonic DMR-E20. Many thanks.

Bud

[Ali G WiKiT]

Sync problem-

CQ is flemsy when it comes to staying in sync.

Make sure u not using source range and if source has already been encoded to vcd\svcd, go to merge and cut and restream it back to one of these appropriate streams-

if vcd, restream with mpeg-1 system vbr
if svcd, restream with mpeg-2 program vbr

Learned dat from my main mate shizzzon.

[bilbogod]

Meiiz finking youze a bit fick then lisunin to ShizzzoN
what'ud your Julie fink

[kwag]

Kwag, I tried out your PAL template but the picture is aspected wrong. TMPGenc codes it as a 21:9 widescreen image when it is really a 4:3 standard one. I found I had to set the aspect ratio to "Full Screen" to get the proper 4:3 back again. Have you found this too?

Hi energy80s:

Everyone has to adjust the input aspect ratio, depending on the movie.

Even with the standard TMPEG templates, you have to set it to your type of material aspect to be encoded.

kwag

[Ali G WiKiT]

Me'z in the East Staines Massive and me been watchin people dl me videos.

Me likes to encode movies so me can rip others off with a big up.

BoYaKaSHa!!!

[kwag]

Kwag,

I Have the Panasonic DVD-RAM E20, just recorded a movie onto the DVD-RAM, move itto my PC via the L311 DVD-RAM. It plays back great with great sounds via the Windows Media Player, I loaded it in TMPGEnc 2.53, opened your Templates, ran the conversion process, when it was completed it came out to be about 550MB + or -. however there was no sound, so I went back and ran the process again with the normal VCD template again no sound. What am I missing? Would alos like to know what "Video Stableizer" you use, mine just won't do the trick with the Panasonic DMR-E20. Many thanks.

Bud

Check your mail.

[kwag]

Meiiz finking youze a bit fick then lisunin to ShizzzoN
what'ud your Julie fink

Hi bilbogod:

cuz Cuz CUZ, Sheee Man! kant rite or Xpress korrekt wit inkorrect minings

That previous post sounded pretty familiar!.

Doesn't it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

kwag

[kwag]

Hi!
I use kwag Templates to make my xvcd movies and then I can play them in my Stand Alone DVD (PHILIPS DVD 722). But sometimes the movie stop playing for a few seconds and in worst case the movie stop and I must start over. Has anyone any ide what i'm doing wrong?



JiRo

Burn one of the samples and see if it does the same.

kwag

[energy80s]

Everyone has to adjust the input aspect ratio, depending on the movie.

Even with the standard TMPEG templates, you have to set it to your type of material aspect to be encoded.

kwag

Kwag, this is on the output AR setting. Normally I set it to keep aspect ratio 2, but if I do that with your template TMPGenc encodes it as 21:9. So I have to set it to fullscreen to get the correct AR back again. I have never had to do that before, no matter which template I have used, that's why I was bringing it to your attention.

[kwag]

Everyone has to adjust the input aspect ratio, depending on the movie.

Even with the standard TMPEG templates, you have to set it to your type of material aspect to be encoded.

kwag

Kwag, this is on the output AR setting. Normally I set it to keep aspect ratio 2, but if I do that with your template TMPGenc encodes it as 21:9. So I have to set it to fullscreen to get the correct AR back again. I have never had to do that before, no matter which template I have used, that's why I was bringing it to your attention.

Then the problem is how you are doing the resizing to feed TMPEG.

Here is my .avs file from ""Mission to Mars":

LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\MPEG2DEC.dll")
mpeg2source("C:\DVD-MISSMARS\T05P00.d2v")
BilinearResize(352,352,0,0,720,480)
TemporalSmoother(2,2)
AddBorders(0,64,0,64)

Look at the BilinearResize line above parameters (352,352,0,0,720,480)


Now In TMPEG these are my settings.

Input Settings under Settings/Advanced tab:
Source Aspect Ratio: 16:9
Video Arrange Method: Full Screen

Output Settings under Settings/Video tab:
Size 352x480
Aspect Ratio: 4:3 525 line

The result is a perfect wide screen video on software players and standalone DVD's.

I am using the program FitCD to give me the correct resize parameters and produce the .avs script above.

Hope this helps.

kwag

[MITSUI_1]

I have one point to add to Kwag's post.

Notice his added borders: They line up EXACTLY on a macroblock border (ever 16 pixels).

This is MUCHOS important. If you have the borders line up in the middle of the macroblock, you'll actually suck bitrate away from the rest of the picture to handle that sharp edge.

Here's a neat trick: Use borders like Kwag's to encode a 30 minute chunk using a CQ encode. Then alter the settings so that the border gets cut off at a location that is not exactly lined up with a macrobock border. Now encode the same piece of footage using the exact same CQ settings.

You'll get a noteably larger file. Also, if you run it through Bitrate viewer you'll notice it takes more "bits" per second to maintain the constant quantization factor you set in the encode.

This is just one of the small tricks to keep in mind when doing encodes like this.

[Big_Jit]

Why doesn't everybody cut the guy some slack and try it. Then you'll know if it's watchable and if ti works. I've encoded to VCD from WMV and have gotten Great Results.

A guy tries to help out and everybody's ready to fight if they don't get to prove him wrong...

[kwag]

Hi MITSUI_1:

You're 100% right.

That's the main reason I am using FitCD, because it creates the .avs script
automagically, with the correct resize/borders/macroblock aligned, etc.

To do this manually, would be time consuming, because almost every movie is different.

Most people just use the function BillinearResize( x, y ) without any parameters, and don't use AddBorders( w, x, y, z ), so they don't get the benefit of the function's power.

kwag

[MITSUI_1]

Thanks Kwag.

Unfortunately my Apex AD1500 hates the VBR MPEG1 used by your format so I'm stuck with SVCD.

I've been having superb results using CCE 2.5 with a CQ factor lower than 24. (In cce, a lower CQ number is better quality, sort of a flip flop from TMPGenc).

What I usually do is resize the letterboxed DVD material so that it is 320 pixels wide and with a height of 320. Then I add black borders of 16 on each side and 80 on the top and bottom (resulting in 352x480 SVCDs that, hopefully will be portable once my DVD burner is within budgetary constraints). This keeps the aspect ratio perfect and saves a lot of space. The borders on the sides (at least on my TV) don't show at all as they are in the "overscan" area, and result in another 21,000 pixels that do not need to be encoded. Basically, I'm saving bitrate by refusing to encode what doesn't get seen 'cause it would be off-screen anyway!

Using this method, I recently got a 90 minute movie about a green guy and his pet donkey onto a single xSVCD with CQ in CCE at min:448, max:2592 Q:20 with very nice quality (I used 128kbs sound).

I use the neighbors for quality testing purposes. I had one (who thought it was a DVD) say "Its amazing how the quality of DVD is so far above VHS"). I just smiled.