HERE's HOW TO FIT 120mins movie on one cd in SVCD FORMAT!!!!

[cgreer00]

The thing is, I checked the rankings on this site and the Apex 1100W is in the top 5 out of ALL of the DVD players regardless of price. It doesn't sound like many people are having any problems with the playback on this machine. I dunno???

[kwag]

KWAG
I used your template and converted a DVD rip of Shrek to be burned. It was 660 MB, and I put it on a CD. When playing it on my Apex 1100W DVD player, it looks and sounds great. However, the audio and picture is in sync, then goes out of sync, then gets in sync, then goes out of sync. This happens throughout the entire movie. Also, sometimes the picture slows down and gets a tad choppy. I upped the min bit rate to 600, and made the picture 240 instead of 480, like you advised. So what could be causing this problem?

Thanks!
Chris

Hi Chris:

I think your Apex model doesn't like MPEG-1 VBR!.

Try something:

Increase the audio to regular 224 and try it again.
If this doesn't work, then I don't know!

kwag

What model do you recommend then? I can take this back to Wal Mart and get something else (as long as it isn't too expensive!)

Thanks!
Chris

Panasonic Rp-56
Sony NS300

Most Panasonic's and Sony's should work.

For insurance. Why don't you burn one of the 352x480 samples in the site and take it along to WalMart. Then you can try several models in the store and check that they display correctly and don't have any audio/video sync issues.

kwag

What player do you use?

I have the Sony NS300, Panasonic RP-56, JVC XV-F80BK 7 disc changer, Panasonic DVD-L10 portable and the Panasonic DMR-E20 DVD-R/DVD-RAM Recorder/Player.

Format plays on all of them.

kwag

[Bud]

You can also consider the Panasonic LV55 Portable, Pioneer 343. They play this format.

Bud

[kwag]

OOOOPpssssss.
I screwed up in a model in my last post.
I meant JVC XV-F80BK 7 disc changer. Not Pioneer XV-F80BK 7 disc changer.

kwag

[lutzen1202]

Can someone send me the Kwag Template... The link isnt working. my email is charles@lutzen.

Thanks!

-Charles

[gvarney]

Kwag (or anyone),
I have read every post in this thread and read guides, etc. everywhere as well. But I think I'm a little confused with a couple of things, so it's time to jump in.
I have been trying to create VCDs using Kwag's templates. The samples look good, and I have burned some of my own that look good too.
I am not currently doing DVD rips, but capturing DishNetwork via SVIDEO to my All-in-Wonder Radeon. Since first reading this thread I am capturing to MPEG1 (with ATI MMC 7.6), I think at around 6mbps, motion detection 98 (or whatever), 352x480, *not* deinterlacing. The caps look really good.
My question involves frame rate. Kwag's templates are for 23.97fps, which is great for FILM DVD rips. I know I can change the frame rate in the template, but can I take advantage of the smaller size of 23.97 vs. 30fps? Would IVTC be involved here? My understanding is that NTSC broadcast (or satellite broadcasting) is always at 30fps and I capture at 30fps. What happens if I capture at 23.97fps?

Bottom line: what is the best way for me to get the best quality/smallest size VCD files using Kwag's templates when the source is captures from DishNetwork??

By the way, I am playing back on an Apex 1100W, so I have tried raising the minimum bitrate to 600 as well.

Thanks!
Geoff

Hi Geoff:

I also capture with a Big Dish C-Band and a 4dtv receiver.
I do IVTC on the captures and use the KVCD 8) template.

Just do IVTC with TMPEG, or better but a little more complex, use an AviSynth script with the decomb.dll filter.

With the decomb filter you can IVTC real-time as you encode!.

kwag

Thanks, Kwag. Finally, can we assume, then that *everything* (or most, anyway) stuff that we capture off the Dish has been telecined? I guess trial and error would tell us, but is this basically true? TV shows as well as movies?
I see I will need to do more testing too, as I am using the Apex 1100W like cgreer00. I suppose if VBR VCD doesn't work out on there, I can use VBR MPEG2 for SVCD using similar tricks as your KVCD template, right? It seems I read in this thread or elsewhere that some were using you KVCD template as a base for (K)SVCD

Thanks,
Geoff

[energy80s]

I would have thought that only material originally shot on film would have been telecined. All video/live TV studio output is not.

Then again, living in PAL land, this doesn't affect me! As films are just sped up slightly from 24 to 25fps, so no point in trying to mess about with frame rates here!

[Mirror_Image]

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[Greyhair]

I have a question about the template.

First, though this is my first listed post, I've been frequenting this board for around a year and doing svcd encodes and dvd rips that long. I was skeptical about this template but tried it. I used it on the dvd "Black Christmas" which is 98 mins. I changed the frame rate to 29.97 and the audio sampling to 48,000 Hz. The 98 mins encoded to right around 793 mb with absolutely no noticeable loss of quality over my usual svcd encode, which would have been 2X's this length.

Here's my question, my ultimate goal is to be able to transfer my movies to dvd. Will the results from this template be transferable to a dvd format in the future? I'm specifically concerned about being mpg1 rather than mpg2?

I apologize if this has been asked, but this is a long thread.

Thanks

[Deusxmachina]

Sure you'd be able to transfer them to DVD. You can transfer anything to a DVD that currently plays on your DVD player. The DVD disc would have the same files/movies as your current discs do, just that you can fit so much more onto one disc. Playing your current stuff off of a DVD-R or whatever is no different than playing them off of CD-R (as long as your player can play DVD-R or whatever type of disc, of course). The files aren't changing, only the size of the disc that holds them.

[Greyhair]

Ok, so it sounds like I have two considerations. Let me see if I have this right.

First, if I just want to copy my svcd file structure to a dvd, and play it on my apex (which plays most anything), I can do that and it will play. It will also play on dvd players that will support svcd.

But, what if I'm going to re-author the movie to a dvd format and then burn to a dvd for increased compatibility? Will Kwag's template be compatible with that situation?

[Deusxmachina]

SVCD is already mpeg2, and mpeg2 is what DVDs are, so I don't know what you would need to re-author other than if you mean upping the resolution back to DVD specs. But doing that won't gain anything because that extra quality has already been lost. And Kwag's mpeg1 at 480x480 is SVCD resolution, too.

Other than that, I guess I'm not understanding what you mean. Maybe someone else does.

[DaDe]

Kwag,

Another question, do i need to put the force film always "on" in DVD2AVI?

Thanks a lot, and by the way i didn't understood what were you talking about when mentioned KVCD in the page 23, then i turn back to page 22 and found what were you talking about... i think that name is more than appropiate...

Congratulations!! .... its a boy!!

DaDe.[/quote]

[kwag]

Kwag,

Another question, do i need to put the force film always "on" in DVD2AVI?

Thanks a lot, and by the way i didn't understood what were you talking about when mentioned KVCD in the page 23, then i turn back to page 22 and found what were you talking about... i think that name is more than appropiate...

Congratulations!! .... its a boy!!

DaDe.

Hi DaDe:

You use "Forced Film" only if the DVD you have is FILM. ( Most NTSC are ).

When you load your VOB's in DVD2AVI, you press F5, and let it run for about 15 seconds. You should see in the statistics window if it's FILM or NTSC, or something like 95% FILM.

If you see this, then you set "Forced Film". If it's NTSC, leave Forced Film deselected.

Remember that in the KVCD NTSC template the default frame rate is set to 23.976 ( FILM ), so if your DVD is NTSC, you have to change that to 29.97 in the template.

As to the KVCD template, I update my signature with the name, to avoid confusion. Sorry about that!.

kwag

[stilllost]

Hi Kwag

Question for you... I always had audio sync probs with the forced film option on (dvd was film 23.976). turned forced film off on dvd2avi, and sync probs were gone ....did not understand why.
With the latest version of Dvd2avi that was just released I tried it with forced film 23.976 and it works with no sync probs. Was it a prob with the older dvd2avi or did I have something set wrong.

Also thanks for the the great work,time and energy you have committed to this post your templates work great.....You have contributed alot to my education in this forum.

[kwag]

Hi Kwag

Question for you... I always had audio sync probs with the forced film option on (dvd was film 23.976). turned forced film off on dvd2avi, and sync probs were gone ....did not understand why.
With the latest version of Dvd2avi that was just released I tried it with forced film 23.976 and it works with no sync probs. Was it a prob with the older dvd2avi or did I have something set wrong.

Also thanks for the the great work,time and energy you have committed to this post your templates work great.....You have contributed alot to my education in this forum.

Hi stilllost:

We'll, I guess you're "notsolost" anymore

Thanks for the comments!.

Yes, I believe on older versions of DVD2AVI, there were some problems.
I never did experienced any audio/video sync problems, and I have always used "Forced FILM" flag, because all my NTSC DVD's are FILM.

I am also using a newer version of DVD2AVI. Version 1.82. It works great!.

Actually I am trying out the latest version of CladDVD XP, because it rips the DVD and automatically runs DVD2AVI. So when the process completes, you have your .d2v project already done.

Check out Sefy's new guides. It's all in there. His new guide ROCKS!

Thanks and happy compressing!.

kwag

[bilbogod]

Just a thought.......I had someone PM me this morning to say that they couldn't get results similar to the Farscape sample and wanted to know if I had altered Kwags template in any way. There is one difference that I am sure that I am not imagining. If your source is PAL dvd then change your video source settings to show "Non- Interlace Progressive", rather than the default of interlace.
I tried encoding a subsequent couple of episodes of Farscape, that looked inferior (they had a kind of heat haze effect) that was easily remedied by changing this one setting alone.
This is just a thought. No scientific explanations from me I'm afraid....

[Deusxmachina]

When you load your VOB's in DVD2AVI, you press F5, and let it run for about 15 seconds. You should see in the statistics window if it's FILM or NTSC, or something like 95% FILM.

Make sure to also look at the final statistic after you save the file. Some things will start out as one thing but then change to the other in the middle, so only previewing for 15 seconds won't catch that so you have to look again when the file is done.

The most recent example I've seen of this is Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back. The first half is film, but the second half switches to interlaced video. Very odd.

[afrodeziak]

I'm not sure if anyone else is having the same problem as I am having, but I can't seem to fast-foward the movies I encode with KWAG'S template. I can foward to a couple parts in the movie but other times when I forward it, it just pauses at the scene I forwarded to and doesn't play. I'm using Windows Media Player. I don't think its the player that is the problem because I can forward and rewind other .mpg's with no problem.

Anyone else having this problem?

[kwag]

afrodeziak:

You can't use Media Player. The format is non-standard, and also Media Player doesn't recognize correct aspect ratios.

Use WinDVD for playback.

kwag

[Scav]

I'm not sure if anyone else is having the same problem as I am having, but I can't seem to fast-foward the movies I encode with KWAG'S template. I can foward to a couple parts in the movie but other times when I forward it, it just pauses at the scene I forwarded to and doesn't play. I'm using Windows Media Player. I don't think its the player that is the problem because I can forward and rewind other .mpg's with no problem.

Anyone else having this problem?

Actually, even though it looks like it's frozen it will eventually start playing, but after as much as 5 minutes. Don't you just love M$? The M$ slogan: "Wait for me! I'm the leader!"

[baker]

I was just thing about vcd on ps2 and tought about using a res of 352x576 (which is a valid dvd res!) and authoring as a dvd than I should have a minidvd which the psx plays right!! And dvd players would aso play!!

Baker

[cagger1]

Kwag, thanks for the template. I get blocky playback (occassional visible macro-blocks) on my dvd player when I use your template at 352x480. The blocks disappear at 352x240, but the clarity isnt as good.

Can you list the top 3 or 4 things to try next (increase max bitrate? lower P number?, add noise reduction values?, etc) to try within tmpgenc other than reducing resolution to work around this display artifact?

I'm not concerned with longer encoding time (although I should mention it takes 8 minutes to encode a 2 minute clip).

Will I be "stuck with" these blocks at this resolution?

[kwag]

Kwag, thanks for the template. I get blocky playback (occassional visible macro-blocks) on my dvd player when I use your template at 352x480. The blocks disappear at 352x240, but the clarity isnt as good.

Can you list the top 3 or 4 things to try next (increase max bitrate? lower P number?, add noise reduction values?, etc) to try within tmpgenc other than reducing resolution to work around this display artifact?

I'm not concerned with longer encoding time (although I should mention it takes 8 minutes to encode a 2 minute clip).

Will I be "stuck with" these blocks at this resolution?

You shouldn't get any blocks if you have a clean source, because of the high bit rate of 2,300Kbps.

What are you converting from. DIVx????

kwag

[cagger1]

You shouldn't get any blocks if you have a clean source, because of the high bit rate of 2,300Kbps.

What are you converting from. DIVx????

Converting from DVD (!!!). I've been using a high action scene from The Matrix (helicopter shooting at agents holding Morpheous prisoner) to do testing with (gunfire, smoke, water, etc.).

System is WinME Athlon 1000 w/ 512mb ram. Programs are Smartripper, DVD2AVI d2v file (forced film) frameserved with Avisynth into TMPGEnc 2.52.

Help!

[kwag]

You shouldn't get any blocks if you have a clean source, because of the high bit rate of 2,300Kbps.

What are you converting from. DIVx????

Converting from DVD (!!!). I've been using a high action scene from The Matrix (helicopter shooting at agents holding Morpheous prisoner) to do testing with (gunfire, smoke, water, etc.).

System is WinME Athlon 1000 w/ 512mb ram. Programs are Smartripper, DVD2AVI d2v file (forced film) frameserved with Avisynth into TMPGEnc 2.52.

Help!

First, download TMPEG 2.53.


Give this a try:
It's my settings I used earlier today for matrix.
Save this script to, say, film.avs ( and modify your paths, of course )


LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\MPEG2DEC.dll")
mpeg2source("F:\THE_MATRIX_16X9LB_N_AMERICA\VIDEO_ TS\matrix.d2v")
BilinearResize(352,352,0,0,720,480)
TemporalSmoother(2,2)
AddBorders(0,64,0,64)


In TMPEG under Settings/Advanced change the input aspect to "16:9 Display" and to "Full Screen"

Also change the CQ to 74.

Those are the settings I did today for Matrix. You can download a sample from my web site http://ns1.shidima.com/kwag.

kwag

[bilbogod]

That Matrix clip looks great .....I'm gonna have to have a go at a PAL version of that just as soon as I get my hands on the dvd....
Btw. I have the matrix on an original 2 vcd set. I've just been comparing that exact same clip, and can say that there is almost no perceptual difference between the two. The only obvious difference is the audio which sounds better on the cd i.e. higher bitrate used of course...
Btw...I'm guessing that at 136 mins running time approx this didn't all go onto 1 cd ??

[bilbogod]

O.k. so after having read another thread, I guess it did all go onto 1 cd Congrats..

[kwag]

O.k. so after having read another thread, I guess it did all go onto 1 cd Congrats..

Hi bilbogod:

Yes it did!.
Complete with chapters in one 80 minute CD-R.

I also have the 2 CD set in VCD format.

The clip looks sharper than the VCD's with the template because of the 352x480 resolution.

I wonder what it looks like in 352x576 PAL. I must look even better.

What I do notice in the comercial VCD's is that the macroblocks are more visible in that scene, but this is because in the VCD's the bit rate is CBR of 1,150Kbps. This is viewing it in a HDTV.

The clip looks almost like the original DVD!.

kwag

[kwag]

O.k. so after having read another thread, I guess it did all go onto 1 cd Congrats..

Hi bilbogod:

Yes it did!.
Complete with chapters in one 80 minute CD-R.

I also have the 2 CD set in VCD format.

The clip looks sharper than the VCD's with the template because of the 352x480 resolution.

I wonder what it looks like in 352x576 PAL. I must look even better.

What I do notice in the comercial VCD's is that the macroblocks are more visible in that scene, but this is because in the VCD's the bit rate is CBR of 1,150Kbps. This is viewing it in a HDTV.

The clip looks almost like the original DVD!.

kwag