HERE's HOW TO FIT 120mins movie on one cd in SVCD FORMAT!!!!

[kwag]

Kwag
The Movie i'm trying to encode is 16:9

Ok. Try this:

On TMPEG go to Settings/Advanced and change your Source Aspect Ratio: to 16:9 525 line (NTSC) and change Video arrange Method: Center(custom size) 352 x 352.

Also check that under Settings/Video your output is 352x480 and 4:3 525 line NTSC.

Now do a one minute clip and see what it looks like.

kwag

[Deusxmachina]

I tried one more time to not get the audio to glitch on my Apex by increasing the minimum bitrate to 700. Still no go at anything mpeg1 at x480. Oh well. Cybermage, do a test with the standard TMPGenc mpeg1 template and change the video to either 352x480 or 480x480. If the audio glitches even with the standard template, then you are in the same boat as me and there is nothing you can do to get the audio not to glitch using Kwag's template. At x480 anyway. I use it all the time now for VCD stuff at 352x240.

I also guess other people are just fortunate with what their DVD players can do. Anything I encode at mpeg1 x480 is squished. Period. Even 480x480 I just did, it was squished. It's also squished while TMPGenc is encoding it. My DVD player won't unsquish it. But even if it did, the audio problem is still there anyway. Bummer.

I've been using cq mode for SVCD now thanks to this thread. (using the standard template.) I don't know how, but with solid quality it seems to save quite a bit of space over using 2-pass VBR. I don't know why, though. Logic says it shouldn't do that. I did Heat (170 minutes!) on two discs in SVCD at a cq of I think 80 or 82 and 224 audio. It's just a drama and is also in 16:9, but still.

[mute]

Ok. Try this:

On TMPEG go to Settings/Advanced and change your Source Aspect Ratio: to 16:9 525 line (NTSC) and change Video arrange Method: Center(custom size) 352 x 352.

Also check that under Settings/Video your output is 352x480 and 4:3 525 line NTSC.

Now do a one minute clip and see what it looks like.

kwag

I just encountered the same problem. I did as above, still incorrect aspect ratio, but after I changed Video arrange Method: Center(custom size) to 352x224 it's ok.
Will this mean that I have halfed the horizontal res?

(Why does this occur?)

[kwag]

I just encountered the same problem. I did as above, still incorrect aspect ratio, but after I changed Video arrange Method: Center(custom size) to 352x224 it's ok.
Will this mean that I have halfed the horizontal res?

(Why does this occur?)

Are you playing back with WinDVD or PowerDVD.
NOT with Media Player?

kwag

[kwag]

@Deusxmachina

Your encoding shouldn't look squished in TMPEG's window.
If it does, your input aspect is wrong.

kwag

[mute]

Are you playing back with WinDVD or PowerDVD.
NOT with Media Player?

kwag

Playback in WMP always looks good for me, why I don't know. But playback on my set-top DVD was also squished first, but when I did as I said above, I get an OK aspectratio on my set-top (and that's what counts for me ;) ) Oh, and the 'preview' in TMPGEnc looks just as on the set-top, so the WMP-result fooled me at first...

Another question kwag though;
- Why are there artifacts in _lowmotion_ sequences? Is that because of the large number of B and P frames?

[kwag]

Are you playing back with WinDVD or PowerDVD.
NOT with Media Player?

kwag

Playback in WMP always looks good for me, why I don't know. But playback on my set-top DVD was also squished first, but when I did as I said above, I get an OK aspectratio on my set-top (and that's what counts for me ) Oh, and the 'preview' in TMPGEnc looks just as on the set-top, so the WMP-result fooled me at first...

Another question kwag though;
- Why are there artifacts in _lowmotion_ sequences? Is that because of the large number of B and P frames?

mute:

Don't use WMP to playback 352x480, because it doesn't understand aspect ratios.

Did you burn one of the samples in the site?
Did they displayed correctly on your standalone player?.

Please do this to verify that the format does indeed play in your DVD player.

Then we take it from there.

There shouldn't be any artifacts during playback. Even in high motion scenes they are barely seen.

If you noticed low motion artifacts in a movie, lower the P frames to 12.
This is not necesary for most movies, but I have seen this behaviour in some movies.
However if you set the value to 12, your file will be larger.


kwag

[freetza]

Ok Kwag, just one more question. This should be my last bug to work out. I've gotten everything to look great, except when i play it back on my dvd player, it's just a little jerky. Maybe you are familiar with this problem, but if your not i could upload a clip to you or something to show you what i'm talking about. Thanks
Mike

[kwag]

Ok Kwag, just one more question. This should be my last bug to work out. I've gotten everything to look great, except when i play it back on my dvd player, it's just a little jerky. Maybe you are familiar with this problem, but if your not i could upload a clip to you or something to show you what i'm talking about. Thanks
Mike

I believe you said earlier that you are reading the .d2v directly from TMPEG?. Is that the case?.

If so, when you ripped your DVD, did you set "Forced Film ON" ?.

There are too many variables, and I need to know how you ripped, are you frameserving or directly reading the .d2v?

kwag

[freetza]

There is a forced film option in dvd2avi. Is this the one you're talking about? It was off, so i'll try that. Thanks a million!
Mike

I'm opening the d2v with tmpeg. is that not the way?

[cgreer00]

Kwag, thanks for the last tip, it worked perfectly. Now I have a new question for you. I have some movies I downloaded that are DIVX files. They are 30 FPS, and when I encode them using your template, I change the FPS to 30 to keep the frame rate the same. However, this creates files that are over 800 MB, so I cannot fit them on a CD. How can I convert the frame rate from 30 fps down to 23.97 fps but keep the audio in sync with the video?

THanks so much

Chris

[kwag]

Kwag, thanks for the last tip, it worked perfectly. Now I have a new question for you. I have some movies I downloaded that are DIVX files. They are 30 FPS, and when I encode them using your template, I change the FPS to 30 to keep the frame rate the same. However, this creates files that are over 800 MB, so I cannot fit them on a CD. How can I convert the frame rate from 30 fps down to 23.97 fps but keep the audio in sync with the video?

THanks so much

Chris

To be honest, I'm not sure!.

That's why I don't like DIVx files. Because they are all completely inconsistent as to frame rates and resolutions.

I think that's another topic. Converting DIVx file to MPEG.

But I think that anyway you convert that file, it's not going to play back very smoothly.

Anyone care to add something here, links, etc ?.

kwag

[Deusxmachina]

@Deusxmachina

Your encoding shouldn't look squished in TMPEG's window.
If it does, your input aspect is wrong.

kwag

I'm trying to think back if it squished it during my previous mpeg1 tests using the standard template at 480x480. I can't remember now. I know it always squished it at 352x480, though, and my last one-minute test of 480x480 yesterday using your template was squished.

I know for certain all of my previous tests at 352x480 were squished, even in the TMPGenc window while encoding. But, doing nothing but switching to an mpeg2 template at the same resolution wouldn't squish it.

And you said it is squished in your display window but then your DVD player unsquishes it. Apparently my DVD player can't unsquish.

I mean, I know the difference between 4:3 and 16:9 input... when I was trying anything and everything to get it to not squish in mpeg1, I tried all combinations... 4:3 input and 1:1 output or whatever, 16:9 and 4:3, 16:9 to 16:9, etc. The only time things didn't look squished was if the source material was 4:3 because then it would squish it into a 16:9-type display. But, that was actually still squished, of course.

So, I dunno. I think I give up. :-\

[KingEightBall]

To be honest, I'm not sure!.
That's why I don't like DIVx files. Because they are all completely inconsistent as to frame rates and resolutions.
I think that's another topic. Converting DIVx file to MPEG.
But I think that anyway you convert that file, it's not going to play back very smoothly.
Anyone care to add something here, links, etc ?.

Hmmm... seems to me that until I start doing my own DVD rips and save them in "pure" avi, or avi with huffy codec, I'm stuck with whats available on the net. That ,almost 90% of the time, means a divX format.

It occured to me that there are many of us following the wise one (Kwag) and even Kwag himself who are converting files in TMPEG which were from quality divx rips. Perhaps we could start a users group or ring, where we post the files we've ripped for each other to download, and save hours of encoding the same darn thing?
For example how many of us have downloaded a version of K-Pac or Training Day this week? Is it necessary for each of us to endure the encoding process? Maybe in a group we could each download and encode 1 movie, per Kwags templates, and post them somewhere for the others to share and maybe there'd be 10 or 20 movies there that are already done?
I'm new and maybe I'm missing something, sorry if this is stupid and theres some obvious reason this cant be done.. but if it can be, how? Whats needed and how many of us want to do this?

,[/quote]

[bilbogod]

Dude, to implement that proposal means breaking the law. You can't share films you dont own the original of Dont worry..... I'm not one of those "I am holier than thou" people. Personal opinion doesn't come into it It would just seem a shame to get this thread closed, as has happened after a few similar requests in the past.......I guess thats what they invented the private message for

[mute]

mute:

Don't use WMP to playback 352x480, because it doesn't understand aspect ratios.

Noted.

Did you burn one of the samples in the site?
Did they displayed correctly on your standalone player?.

Please do this to verify that the format does indeed play in your DVD player.

Then we take it from there. :D

Yes, I've tried the clips from the site and they worked...
I fiddeled quite a lot with the aspectratio last night, so right now I'm not sure of anything anymore. I'll go through it tonight again and try to document my efforts...

[Scav]

Kwag,
I have used your template numerous times now, and the preview in TMPG has Always been squished. When the source was 4:3, and I played it back on my set-top, it appeared fine (which I Really don't understand.)
However, when the source was 16:9, and I played it back on the settop, by switching my display to anamorphic (unsqueeze), it displayed perfectly.
And as a testament to the quality of Kwag's work, my display is a Sony LCD front projector, projected onto a 7-foot-wide screen (viewing distance 13 feet). Even projected that large, the quality is excellent, on par I would say with the poorer DVD transfers. Great work Kwag. I label my burned cd-r's "KVCD"

[crash_cyberdrive]

You cannot play in PC because you need the Mpeg2 encoder installed or WINDVD installed on your PC 8)

[Speed72]

First of all Grat job Kwag!!!!!

I have a problem can you gyus help me? all my movies are DiVX in fim format 640+240 or 576+240 .... 640*352 and so on.... When i use the kwag template i can´t get a correct aspect ratio in the output file....

Can anyone explain me how.... i´ve tried the the 1:1 source aspect ratio; 2,11:1; 4:3; but nothing..... Is there a formila to calculate the custom size???

Thanks gyus!!!

SpeeD72

[Speed72]

Hi scav

Do you encode movies in film format??? if you do what kind of crop do you use??? keep aspect ratio, ratio2, center custom????

When you play the movie in the pc how is it??? squished, normal???

if the movie we´r enconding doesn´t occupied the must of the half pal resolution why dont we encoded it in quarter resol?????

Thanks again guys!!!

[Scav]

Hi scav

Do you encode movies in film format??? if you do what kind of crop do you use??? keep aspect ratio, ratio2, center custom????

When you play the movie in the pc how is it??? squished, normal???

if the movie we´r enconding doesn´t occupied the must of the half pal resolution why dont we encoded it in quarter resol?????

Thanks again guys!!!

Speed72,
Most of the movies I've incoded were in film format. That is, I used avisynth to IVTC them, feed to TMPG, and set the frame rate in Kwag's temp to 23.976.
I don't do any cropping and because the labels of the the fields related to aspect ratio in the TMPG Settings dialog are thoroughly non-intuitive and seemingly contradictory. I've never changed them:
Video Stream setting/Aspect Ratio - 4:3 525 lines NTSC
Advanced/Source Aspect Ratio - 4:3 525 line (NTSC 704x480)
Advanced/Video Arrange Method - Full Screen

Windows Media Player and the preview screen in TMPG both show a horizontally squished image.

[kwag]

Kwag,
I have used your template numerous times now, and the preview in TMPG has Always been squished. When the source was 4:3, and I played it back on my set-top, it appeared fine (which I Really don't understand.)
However, when the source was 16:9, and I played it back on the settop, by switching my display to anamorphic (unsqueeze), it displayed perfectly.
And as a testament to the quality of Kwag's work, my display is a Sony LCD front projector, projected onto a 7-foot-wide screen (viewing distance 13 feet). Even projected that large, the quality is excellent, on par I would say with the poorer DVD transfers. Great work Kwag. I label my burned cd-r's "KVCD"

Hey Scav. Thanks for the comments. And, BTW, why didn't I think of that! - KVCD - sounds pretty cool.

So, you've officially named the method!.

If it' ok with you, I'll change the name to that, and make references from now on to a KVCD method.

How's that?.

Regards,
kwag

[KingEightBall]

[quote]Dude, to implement that proposal means breaking the law. You can't share films you dont own the original of Dont worry..... I'm not one of those "I am holier than thou" people. Personal opinion doesn't come into it It would just seem a shame to get this thread closed, as has happened after a few similar requests in the past.......I guess thats what they invented the private message for [quote]





" Sorry. I never thought of that. A wise man once said it is better to remain silent and thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

and still, my private message box appears empty? 8)
hmmmmm...

[cgreer00]

KWAG
I used your template and converted a DVD rip of Shrek to be burned. It was 660 MB, and I put it on a CD. When playing it on my Apex 1100W DVD player, it looks and sounds great. However, the audio and picture is in sync, then goes out of sync, then gets in sync, then goes out of sync. This happens throughout the entire movie. Also, sometimes the picture slows down and gets a tad choppy. I upped the min bit rate to 600, and made the picture 240 instead of 480, like you advised. So what could be causing this problem?

Thanks!
Chris

[gvarney]

Kwag (or anyone),
I have read every post in this thread and read guides, etc. everywhere as well. But I think I'm a little confused with a couple of things, so it's time to jump in.
I have been trying to create VCDs using Kwag's templates. The samples look good, and I have burned some of my own that look good too.
I am not currently doing DVD rips, but capturing DishNetwork via SVIDEO to my All-in-Wonder Radeon. Since first reading this thread I am capturing to MPEG1 (with ATI MMC 7.6), I think at around 6mbps, motion detection 98 (or whatever), 352x480, *not* deinterlacing. The caps look really good.
My question involves frame rate. Kwag's templates are for 23.97fps, which is great for FILM DVD rips. I know I can change the frame rate in the template, but can I take advantage of the smaller size of 23.97 vs. 30fps? Would IVTC be involved here? My understanding is that NTSC broadcast (or satellite broadcasting) is always at 30fps and I capture at 30fps. What happens if I capture at 23.97fps?

Bottom line: what is the best way for me to get the best quality/smallest size VCD files using Kwag's templates when the source is captures from DishNetwork??

By the way, I am playing back on an Apex 1100W, so I have tried raising the minimum bitrate to 600 as well.

Thanks!
Geoff

[kwag]

KWAG
I used your template and converted a DVD rip of Shrek to be burned. It was 660 MB, and I put it on a CD. When playing it on my Apex 1100W DVD player, it looks and sounds great. However, the audio and picture is in sync, then goes out of sync, then gets in sync, then goes out of sync. This happens throughout the entire movie. Also, sometimes the picture slows down and gets a tad choppy. I upped the min bit rate to 600, and made the picture 240 instead of 480, like you advised. So what could be causing this problem?

Thanks!
Chris

Hi Chris:

I think your Apex model doesn't like MPEG-1 VBR!.

Try something:

Increase the audio to regular 224 and try it again.
If this doesn't work, then I don't know!

kwag

[kwag]

Kwag (or anyone),
I have read every post in this thread and read guides, etc. everywhere as well. But I think I'm a little confused with a couple of things, so it's time to jump in.
I have been trying to create VCDs using Kwag's templates. The samples look good, and I have burned some of my own that look good too.
I am not currently doing DVD rips, but capturing DishNetwork via SVIDEO to my All-in-Wonder Radeon. Since first reading this thread I am capturing to MPEG1 (with ATI MMC 7.6), I think at around 6mbps, motion detection 98 (or whatever), 352x480, *not* deinterlacing. The caps look really good.
My question involves frame rate. Kwag's templates are for 23.97fps, which is great for FILM DVD rips. I know I can change the frame rate in the template, but can I take advantage of the smaller size of 23.97 vs. 30fps? Would IVTC be involved here? My understanding is that NTSC broadcast (or satellite broadcasting) is always at 30fps and I capture at 30fps. What happens if I capture at 23.97fps?

Bottom line: what is the best way for me to get the best quality/smallest size VCD files using Kwag's templates when the source is captures from DishNetwork??

By the way, I am playing back on an Apex 1100W, so I have tried raising the minimum bitrate to 600 as well.

Thanks!
Geoff

Hi Geoff:

I also capture with a Big Dish C-Band and a 4dtv receiver.
I do IVTC on the captures and use the KVCD 8) template.

Just do IVTC with TMPEG, or better but a little more complex, use an AviSynth script with the decomb.dll filter.

With the decomb filter you can IVTC real-time as you encode!.

kwag

[cgreer00]

KWAG
I used your template and converted a DVD rip of Shrek to be burned. It was 660 MB, and I put it on a CD. When playing it on my Apex 1100W DVD player, it looks and sounds great. However, the audio and picture is in sync, then goes out of sync, then gets in sync, then goes out of sync. This happens throughout the entire movie. Also, sometimes the picture slows down and gets a tad choppy. I upped the min bit rate to 600, and made the picture 240 instead of 480, like you advised. So what could be causing this problem?

Thanks!
Chris

Hi Chris:

I think your Apex model doesn't like MPEG-1 VBR!.

Try something:

Increase the audio to regular 224 and try it again.
If this doesn't work, then I don't know! :cry:

kwag

What model do you recommend then? I can take this back to Wal Mart and get something else (as long as it isn't too expensive!)

Thanks!
Chris

[kwag]

KWAG
I used your template and converted a DVD rip of Shrek to be burned. It was 660 MB, and I put it on a CD. When playing it on my Apex 1100W DVD player, it looks and sounds great. However, the audio and picture is in sync, then goes out of sync, then gets in sync, then goes out of sync. This happens throughout the entire movie. Also, sometimes the picture slows down and gets a tad choppy. I upped the min bit rate to 600, and made the picture 240 instead of 480, like you advised. So what could be causing this problem?

Thanks!
Chris

Hi Chris:

I think your Apex model doesn't like MPEG-1 VBR!.

Try something:

Increase the audio to regular 224 and try it again.
If this doesn't work, then I don't know!

kwag

What model do you recommend then? I can take this back to Wal Mart and get something else (as long as it isn't too expensive!)

Thanks!
Chris

Panasonic Rp-56
Sony NS300

Most Panasonic's and Sony's should work.

For insurance. Why don't you burn one of the 352x480 samples in the site and take it along to WalMart. Then you can try several models in the store and check that they display correctly and don't have any audio/video sync issues.

kwag

[cgreer00]

KWAG
I used your template and converted a DVD rip of Shrek to be burned. It was 660 MB, and I put it on a CD. When playing it on my Apex 1100W DVD player, it looks and sounds great. However, the audio and picture is in sync, then goes out of sync, then gets in sync, then goes out of sync. This happens throughout the entire movie. Also, sometimes the picture slows down and gets a tad choppy. I upped the min bit rate to 600, and made the picture 240 instead of 480, like you advised. So what could be causing this problem?

Thanks!
Chris

Hi Chris:

I think your Apex model doesn't like MPEG-1 VBR!.

Try something:

Increase the audio to regular 224 and try it again.
If this doesn't work, then I don't know! :cry:

kwag

What model do you recommend then? I can take this back to Wal Mart and get something else (as long as it isn't too expensive!)

Thanks!
Chris

Panasonic Rp-56
Sony NS300

Most Panasonic's and Sony's should work.

For insurance. Why don't you burn one of the 352x480 samples in the site and take it along to WalMart. Then you can try several models in the store and check that they display correctly and don't have any audio/video sync issues.

kwag

What player do you use?