HERE's HOW TO FIT 120mins movie on one cd in SVCD FORMAT!!!!

[JCPicache]

Haven't had this yet. My cd-rs fit 700 mb according to their label. It's not going to fit , is it.

if you're burning it as a VCD, then you should be able to fit 800 megs on an 80-minute CD, so yes that'll fit.

[JCPicache]

4 pages to one sheet huh?

Can I get a copy of that JCPicache?

Eightball

it's called FinePrint. windows XP has the same functionality, but i prefer FinePrint. you can easily get a demo on the net.

[Scav]

Hey Kwag,
I've been trying to follow your 'overview' procedure you described earlier in this thread. AVISynth does seem to work amazingly faster than VirtualDub, but I can't seem to produce a resulting mpg that has the audio in sync. Do you merge the audio in your avs script using audiodub() or do you handle it separately? Could you post an example of one of your avs files?
Thanks a lot,

Scav

[Dagon]

Kwag:
Excellent template. I've been using it since you first posted it. I've gotten several movies onto 1 CD in great quality. The first movie I did was Episode 1, gave me a bit of trouble getting it to fit on 1 CD until I adjusted the res and upped the CQ a bit to compensate. Hehe it eventually came in at 650MB.

As for movies downloaded from those "wonderful" P2P sources: I've found the best thing t odo (mostly with DIVX sources) is to uncompress them with VDub to huffyuv or no compression, and then feed that file into TMPGEnc. Many of the DIVX avi's I've been finding have a bitrate of 6000 (according to the uncompressed avi). This usually produces a great encode, much better than using the original DIVX as source. But, yes you need a biggie HD, super-sized even

[TheInformer]

Hehehehe... Does this thread ever end? 20 pages? Yeeee-ouch!

[kwag]

Kwag.
I just used tmpegenc to encode a movie with your template.
it was a big movie and its encoded size is 711 mb.

Haven't had this yet. My cd-rs fit 700 mb according to their label. It's not going to fit , is it.

What do you use to split it up and is there a link on the subject of how to?

EightBall

Hi EightBall:

VCD's are writter in MODE-2. So a 74 minute CD fits 740MB and a 80 minute CD fits 800MB.

Yoy don't have to split your file!.

kwag

[kwag]

Hey Kwag,
I've been trying to follow your 'overview' procedure you described earlier in this thread. AVISynth does seem to work amazingly faster than VirtualDub, but I can't seem to produce a resulting mpg that has the audio in sync. Do you merge the audio in your avs script using audiodub() or do you handle it separately? Could you post an example of one of your avs files?
Thanks a lot,

Scav

Hi Scav:

I handle only the video with the .avs script. And the audio, that has been generated with DVD2AVI, I process separately.

Just open the .avs with the "Video Source" tab on TMPEG and the audio with the"Audio Source" tab on TMPEG.

Dont forget to re-load the template after that.

kwag

[bilbogod]

I want to see this thread gain 100,000 views !!! I was wondering what happens when the number of views box is unable to display this many figures. Would phpBB collapse or display an E - sign like on a calculator?? It's nearly at 50,000. Congratulations Kwag and Y2flyy.....
p.s. Mpegging is going well, although I'm now snowed under with assignments for college
p.p.s. Gold medal to Kwag for resisting at every twist and turn the opportunity to get into flame wars. Dude, I don't know how you've manged it. The mods would be proud.....

[charliee2gz]

i d/l a movie split into 2 pieces each piece about 500mb joined them with v-dub. ran the joined version throught tmpeg. now roxio easy cd creator doesn't recognize it as dvd compliant. any info would be greatly appreciated.
D'oh
The Great Homer Simpson

[stilllost]

First off would like to say Thankyou to all that have contributed to this post....I am a newbie and have enjoyed the education that I have gotten to this point ( my head hurts). Many questions I had have been answered just by reading this 20 page book. OK I'll get to the point.... I have had sound sync problems ...in sync in the beginning but slowly goes out.
have tried the the audio gap in source of tmpgenc .....this helps but is there a rull of thumb?.
use smart rip to vob's......Dvd2avi to create .d2v and wave.
then kwags template .

have been creating 50meg test files .....all look great, have played with cq ect for video side but always out a bit on the audio.
Down loaded tests from kwags site they play fine. So I think I'm missing something here.....have the audio prob with dvd player and Media player.

Thanks ahead of time for any and all advice

[KingEightBall]

if you're burning it as a VCD, then you should be able to fit 800 megs on an 80-minute CD, so yes that'll fit.

Kwag
Hi EightBall:
VCD's are writter in MODE-2. So a 74 minute CD fits 740MB and a 80 minute CD fits 800MB.
Yoy don't have to split your file!.

Darn, I knew that!! A quick review of my "Kwag Notebook" says exactly that. Ok, so now I have "saving Private Ryan encoded and its 1.1 mb. What do I do to cut it and put it on 2 cd-rs? I read in another forum that TMPGEnc will cut it but its not the best. Just want to know how you do it.

If I do use TMPEGEnc, what do I click on, I've looked through its tabs and can't see what you'd use?

EightBall

[KingEightBall]

New obstacle:

I used TMPEGEnc to encode "Willie Wonka" (don't ask) :oops:
or I should say I tried to. After I click start, it says something about a problem encoding the audio.

I opened it in Windows Media Player and it worked fine.

Here are the sourcefile specs:
708 MB
640x368
Audio: duration 1:39:47, bitrate 136 kbps, MPEG Layer 3
Video: 23 fps, 121 kbps, 24 bit, DivX

I tend to think the 136 bitrate is part of the problem and the fact that it's a divx file :evil:
But I have no idea really. I want to say that whoever did the rip should have set the bitrate to 128? Am I even in the ballpark?

[freetza]

I recently tried to encode a ninety minute video with the Kwag template. The source video was a large high quality mpeg. But my resulting mpeg was 913 megs. What do i need to change to fit it on one disc? Thanks
Mike

[kwag]

New obstacle:

I used TMPEGEnc to encode "Willie Wonka" (don't ask)
or I should say I tried to. After I click start, it says something about a problem encoding the audio.

I opened it in Windows Media Player and it worked fine.

Here are the sourcefile specs:
708 MB
640x368
Audio: duration 1:39:47, bitrate 136 kbps, MPEG Layer 3
Video: 23 fps, 121 kbps, 24 bit, DivX

I tend to think the 136 bitrate is part of the problem and the fact that it's a divx file
But I have no idea really. I want to say that whoever did the rip should have set the bitrate to 128? Am I even in the ballpark?

Hey EightBall:

For your prior post, go to File/MPEG Tools and select Merge&Cut in TMPEG.
Now you can cut your mpeg file.

As to the audio problem, there shouldn't be any, as the mp3 layer audio decoder should handle it properly. Unless the file is damaged at some point that maybe you don't notice it in playback, but it throws off TMPEG during decoding.

This usually happens in files downloaded from the net.

kwag

[kwag]

I recently tried to encode a ninety minute video with the Kwag template. The source video was a large high quality mpeg. But my resulting mpeg was 913 megs. What do i need to change to fit it on one disc? Thanks
Mike

Hi freetza:

Need more info!. When you say high quality MPEG, what is the resolution?, frame rate? is it an action movie?

kwag

[freetza]

I recorded a movie using my tv card.
the settings were at about 4 megs/sec, 352x240, not an action movie. The resulting mpeg is good quality, just not the right size. I just left the template at the default settings it had when i downloaded it. I also checked out your clips and they look great! Are those clips from movies that fit on one disc? Thanks
Mike

[kwag]

I recorded a movie using my tv card.
the settings were at about 4 megs/sec, 352x240, not an action movie. The resulting mpeg is good quality, just not the right size. I just left the template at the default settings it had when i downloaded it. I also checked out your clips and they look great! Are those clips from movies that fit on one disc? Thanks
Mike

Hi Mike:

The following movies fit complete in one CD-R without modifications to the template, unless otherwise noted:

Farscape
Rules of Engagement
Princess Diaries ( at 352x240 )
Anime Cowboy fitted four 25 minute sets in one CD.
Red Planet
The Mummy Returns ( CQ=65 at 352x240 )
City Hall
Patriot Games
Space Cowboys ( I'll post a sample in a few minutes )

As for your capture, if it was already at 352x240, change the output in the template to 352x240 and the CQ to 75.
Now try it!.

kwag

[freetza]

So turning the CQ up will decrease the final movie size? Is there a way to calculate the CQ, or do you just do trial & error? My movie was only ninety minutes, while some of the ones you listed are longer than ninety minutes (i think), and they fit on one cd?

[T0mbraider]

This is what I posted before...

Deusxmachina wrote:

For starters, I could not get anythingx480 to work well using mpeg1. 320x, 352x, 480x, the Apex didn't like it. I also tested with 352x480 using SVCD. I don't know why, but it looked worse at 70cq than 480x480 looked at 60cq. Maybe the player has a problem interpreting the 352x, who knows. Whatever it is, it looks like for me and the Apex that standard resolutions are where it's at. 320x240 for VCD, and 480x480 for SVCD.

I have tha apex model 660A? 600A? (not sure at the moment). At first everything was squashed, but last night I tried kwag's temp again with a vcr cap from Titan AE. This time it worked. A one min cap turned out to be about 15.4mg and had to process with VirtualDub with field swap and denoise filter, then frameserve to tmpgenc. the file the shrunk to a little over 12mg. (Guess I picked a section with too much action). Source had to be capped at 29.976, set to interlace, then the template would automatically convert to 23.976 with inverse telecine. That output burned with nero worked on my apex. no squashed output or oversized picture.

I'll have to apologize for the bad call. My Apex is the 600A model and the 352x480 does play but with problems ( normal... fast... normal... fast...)
but plays fine on the comp. Also noticed what I was doing wrong with my encode and I have made a 29sec clip that only comes in at 5.37mg, not bad considering the source ( vcr cap) so I guess I'm stuck at x240

[kwag]

So turning the CQ up will decrease the final movie size? Is there a way to calculate the CQ, or do you just do trial & error? My movie was only ninety minutes, while some of the ones you listed are longer than ninety minutes (i think), and they fit on one cd?

No!. The other way around. Increasing the CQ increases the quality and also the file size.

But because your source is 352x240, there is no sense in creating a 352x480 from it. You won't get any better quality.

So take advantage that your size is lower and increase the CQ to 75 ( or even 80 ) if your movie is only 90 minutes.

And yes, it's mostly trial and error, but there are some posted guidelines for different movie sizes that are pretty close. Read some of the previous posts on this thread.

kwag

[nmber21]

Just wanted to say I did Kwags templete and did The lost Boys and Hackers both were around 670megs and cq=78 <--- first time doing them 352x240
and they came out good I was impressed....both from DVD so I am wondering how much more could I go with the cq= ? is there a rough estimate with the CQ= how much it ads to the file size? am just curious

[kwag]

Just wanted to say I did Kwags templete and did The lost Boys and Hackers both were around 670megs and cq=78 <--- first time doing them 352x240
and they came out good I was impressed....both from DVD so I am wondering how much more could I go with the cq= ? is there a rough estimate with the CQ= how much it ads to the file size? am just curious

There's no way to estimate the final file size.
With 2-pass VBR you can, but then the longer the movie the worse the quality.

With CQ you can see the quality, but you can't tell the final file size.

So I'll go for the CQ, even if I have to do 2 encodes!.
( Call that 2 pass manual re-encode )

Check some previous posts on this thread for some guidelines.

kwag

[freetza]

Would this work to estimate file size?
For simplicity's sake, let's say you have an 80 minute video to encode.
So you encode one minute of video and check to see what the resulting file size is. If the resulting one minute of video is ten megs, then eighty minutes would be 800 megs, right?
So, if your one minute video is more than ten megs, you know you have to reduce the CQ, and if it's less, than you can increase it.
Of course, all these numbers would be different depending on the length of the movie.

[ZeppelinFan]

i d/l a movie split into 2 pieces each piece about 500mb joined them with v-dub. ran the joined version throught tmpeg. now roxio easy cd creator doesn't recognize it as dvd compliant. any info would be greatly appreciated.
D'oh
The Great Homer Simpson

Well actually I have found that at least on my dvd player, you don't have to join the files to play them on your dvd player. Example ok, say you have new movie release "40 days and 40 nights", they come to you as two files on like Kazaa usually, and all you have to do is use tmpgenc and once satisfied with the results there start easyvcd and just add both files IN ORDER and when you play them on your dvd player it will play it as just another track on the movie! Very simple to do. Usuually use like a source res at 4:3 525 lines full screen keep aspect, and the video stream as 4:3 525 lines 352x240 rate 23.976 cq at 73-80.. depending on movie of course. Using the 1,20,3,1 gop audio at the 44,100 stereo 128 bits. This should basicly work on almost any video you get, say off of "Kazaa". You always check and tweek to your liking. This templete is for basic usage on most movies that you want to fit onto 1 cdr80.

I hope this helps you out charliee2gz, and whoever else might be reading this.

[freetza]

if you use kazaa, you should check out this article
<http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/04/02/0417208&mode=thread>

[ZeppelinFan]

Would this work to estimate file size?
For simplicity's sake, let's say you have an 80 minute video to encode.
So you encode one minute of video and check to see what the resulting file size is. If the resulting one minute of video is ten megs, then eighty minutes would be 800 megs, right?
So, if your one minute video is more than ten megs, you know you have to reduce the CQ, and if it's less, than you can increase it.
Of course, all these numbers would be different depending on the length of the movie.

That is what I do except that I suggest to go with a 2-3 minute test and then calculate, in this way you get more chance of action scene/or variant scenes and then times it by whatever. It seems to work pretty decently. 8)

[kwag]

Sorry for the delay!.
The Space Cowboys sample is up now.
32 seconds at 4,388KB file size with the template at a CQ of 75.
Another one that went to a single CD-R at that quality!. Although I cut off the end credits.

Enjoy,
kwag

[ZeppelinFan]

if you use kazaa, you should check out this article
<http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/04/02/0417208&mode=thread>

Thanx a million Freetza!
That is so lame to do you know! These people are so sneaky. I love Kazaa, it is an excellent program and you can find nearly anything that is out there on there. Especially now that it has merged together and has like 3 times as many users on there now.
Well, thanx for the link! I think I will put it in my signature with the Kazaa link...lol

Laterz,

[maximalred]

Do you know of a program that can capture direct into .asf format?

I would use the Microsoft Windows Media Encoder 7.1 that has the new Video 8 format that cleaner than most avi and asf files and import it into TMPGEnc Plus to do a direct capture but my Tv capture card sound does not work in it for some reason . I have a Pinnacle Systems Usb PcTv card and use a VCR for capturing videos but I can capture avi and convert it to that format and I have once before gotten the sound to work in it but this time I have had no luck, but I did convert once one of my movies from the new video 8 format to a SVCD format and it did work ok but when I did this I was using one of the old versions of TMPGEnc and I put it on two cds instead of one because I did not no the program much at the time .
Has anyone else use the new Microsoft Video 8 format and converting right using the TMPGEnc program?

like what type of avi video code did you use?
and how many hours did it take you to convert it?
I would like to know when Pinnacle Systems is going to have new drivers for the Pctv Usb card for Windows Xp Pro because it causes my card to reboot trying to capture avi files and also in the Video 8 program that I can not get to capture right anymore?

[cybermage26]

hey kwag, just a note - tried your template out on my Akai ADV1150 DVD player and they kinda dont work, burnt samples from your site. The sound skips and kinda is off sync.

I know that my DVD player can handle XVCD and Variable bitrate etc.

I will do some more tests but after looking over your template I guess its because in your audio part you have the Channel set to "Joint-Stereo", whilst ordinary VCD = just plain Stereo.

Your template provides really nice quality though, I especially liked the Patriot Games sample, picture was nice and clear.