HERE's HOW TO FIT 120mins movie on one cd in SVCD FORMAT!!!!

[y2flyy]

hey king its really nice to hear someone thank ppl for their help
alot of ppl dont realize that we were newbies once too
hope you have everything you need
if not we here 4 ya!!!!
Y2Flyy

[KingEightBall]

How does a person know if an .avi is a pure uncompressed .avi, a divX compressed .avi, or a huffy compressed.avi?

Is there a utility that can read the file and tell me or is it way simpler than that?

Eightball

[KingEightBall]

thanks yykfly,

without your original post, none of this could have happened. In a way, I met Kwag because of you.

Do you think your original avi to asf trick would be good to use for television episoded which are only (easily) available in lower resolution.

I mean, if High quality isn't the primary issue,could I use your technique with Kwags template (modified) to get "Freinds" episodes in watchable quality, as many as possible on a cd-r?

King

[fuddy]

hi,

i'm a newbie from germany and i have following problem. if i use the template of kwag the sound is always out of sync. if i use the default settings (constant bitrate) to create a vcd (from a divx-avi) there is no asyncronisation. i tried it with converting the audio with virtualdub or directly with TMPGenc (or tooLame) but it doesnt help. what do i wrong.
the sound is syncronous with "constant bitrate". what do i wrong?
thanks for help!

greets, fuddy

[kwag]

Kwag,

As you know I had trouble getting sound with the movie A.I.

So I'm about to do another movie. This one is called Office Space.

Here are the specs:

397 mb file 416,485,376 bytes

resolution 704 x 336

Audio: 1:23:57 96kbps Mpeg Layer 3

Video: 23 fps 80 kbps 24bit DivxMpeg4-V3

It seems like a simple movie, small footprint, no action scenes.

I personally would just use your template as is. Ia that right? I know you don't like divX as a sourcefile but my wife loves this stinky movie, and thats what I have to work with.

I'm a little freaked out by AI not having audio. I'm not sure what I missed or did wrong and don't want to repeat it.

Also what changes would I make to make this full screen on my tv? i.e. No black stripes on top and bottom?

Do I do anything negative to the template (other than making the file larger) by changing the fps to 29.9? Or should I stop screwing around and just stick to the template you provided? Eightball

Hi Eightball:

Thanks for those kind words in that previous post!.

I still can't figure out why you didn't get audio in A.I.
Could it be that when you encoded, the audio was encoded to 48khz and not to 44.1khz?. Check that on your mpeg file.

For your new DIVx movie, if the running time is 1:23:57, change the template to 352x240 and increase the CQ to 82. Keep the frame rate as 23.976. That should do an excelent quality and file size.

kwag

[kwag]

hi,

i'm a newbie from germany and i have following problem. if i use the template of kwag the sound is always out of sync. if i use the default settings (constant bitrate) to create a vcd (from a divx-avi) there is no asyncronisation. i tried it with converting the audio with virtualdub or directly with TMPGenc (or tooLame) but it doesnt help. what do i wrong.
the sound is syncronous with "constant bitrate". what do i wrong?
thanks for help!

greets, fuddy

Hi fuddy. You're not doing anything wrong!. Maybe your DVD player can't play variable bit rate.

First of all, what is your brand/model DVD player?.

You can try to change the minimum bitrate in the template from 300 to 600 and try again. This fixes many Apex models audio skips.

Try it and report here.

kwag

[fuddy]

hi kwag,

ok i'll try it, but even if i watch the mpeg with mediaplayer the same problem occurs, so i think it is not dvd-player specified.

greets, fuddy

[kwag]

hi kwag,

ok i'll try it, but even if i watch the mpeg with mediaplayer the same problem occurs, so i think it is not dvd-player specified.

greets, fuddy

Ah!, that changes everything.
Can you download one of the samples from the site and burn it?.

Just to check your DVD's compatibility and see if it displays correctly and audio/video stay in sync?.

kwag

[liquid217]

well happy birthday. this thread is 1 month old now.

[fuddy]

ok, i think i have found the reason:

i looked at the file-information of the avi (with virtual-dub) and found this:

fps of the video-stream: 25.021 fps !
i tried to convert a file which has exactly 25.000 fps an the result was excelent! not out of sync., good audio and video quality.

could that be the reason for my problem and if yes, what is the solution?

greets and thanks, fuddy

[kwag]

ok, i think i have found the reason:

i looked at the file-information of the avi (with virtual-dub) and found this:

fps of the video-stream: 25.021 fps !
i tried to convert a file which has exactly 25.000 fps an the result was excelent! not out of sync., good audio and video quality.

could that be the reason for my problem and if yes, what is the solution?

greets and thanks, fuddy

Yes, that is the problem. 25.021fps.
And that's the reason why I hate DIVx files! . I don't know why they are being coded at non standard fps like 25.021! ( Or could it be that they don't want us to re-code them to VCD's 8) ).
You got that one from the net, right?.

I don't know the fix for that. Because for a VCD's you have to code to 23.976 or 29.97. Nothing else.
So if your source is not one of these two rates, your audio/video will always be out of sync.

kwag

[y2flyy]

yeah good point kingeightball
the method I found to fit more on an svcd has worked for a lot of people
my email has been flooded with thanks and faqs about it
I really would not recommend you use this method in what you are looking to do
The reason why its so good for a lot of ppl including me at first
is that I only used to like the quality in svcd and nothing less
I would not do vcd often
UNTIL I tried KWag's and SEFY's templates
the quality is great compared to regular vcd templates
and I use them mostly because converting to svcd (mpeg2) takes twice as long as converting to vcd
and kwag's and sefy's temps looks better than vcd but not as good as svcd
and I also suggest you try sefy templates posted on this site
its a great template
his and kwags is all I need in saving space and better quality for vcds
Y2Flyy

[Bigswaffo]

I tried this in another topic, but I think it might have to do with kwag's template. Anyway, I was encoding the Matrix, it has a framerate of 14.985, and I loaded it into your template and changed the settings to NTSC since in TMPGEnc it says 14.985 fps is internally 29.97 fps And yes I kept the framerate at 14.985. The finished MPEG could not skip from one part of the movie to another. I there anything I'm doing wrong?

[Guyver]

Yes, that is the problem. 25.021fps.
And that's the reason why I hate DIVx files! . I don't know why they are being coded at non standard fps like 25.021! ( Or could it be that they don't want us to re-code them to VCD's 8) ).
You got that one from the net, right?.

I don't know the fix for that. Because for a VCD's you have to code to 23.976 or 29.97. Nothing else.
So if your source is not one of these two rates, your audio/video will always be out of sync.

kwag

He can just encode at 25 fps because it's the PAL standard can't he???

[kwag]

Hi all:

Just a note.
If you want your mpeg to look better than SVCD while still using the template, just change the CQ to 85.
You'll find the 352x480 at CQ=85 is the same ( if not better ) in quality/stability than a SVCD 480x480.

The reasons are the MPEG-1 performance at that bitrate. The only thing you'll increase is the file size. But even at CQ of 85 you should fit close to 80 minutes of movie on a 80 minute CD-R or more depending on your movie.

I have tried this several times, and the results are better than SVCD.
You'll also find less blocks on the picture.

So I have made two 15 second samples to prove this point.

They are both from "The Mummy Returns" initial fight. ( What else! )

The first one is mumSvcd.mpg and was made using the standard TMPGEnc SVCD CBR 2,520Kbps template ( To be unfair to my template ).

The second one is mumXvcd.mpg and was made using my template but changing the CQ to 85. *** Nothing else ***.

The file size for the SVCD is 5,127KB and for the XVCD it's 4,276KB.

As for quality, well, you decide

The samples are posted in the site right now.
You may also want to view the samples with the bit rate viewer ( http://www.tecoltd.com ) and see the Quantization levels on the SVCD sample :P . Basically the higher the Q, the worse the quality.

More info on quantization here:
http://tangentsoft.net/video/mpeg/enc-modes.html

Your call!

Enjoy,
kwag

[kwag]

I just added a description on the site with an explanation of the previous post.

kwag

[KingEightBall]

Kwag

"For your new DIVx movie, if the running time is 1:23:57, change the template to 352x240 and increase the CQ to 82. Keep the frame rate as 23.976. That should do an excelent quality and file size. "


I did this, and just finished watching about 20 minutes of it.

It is fine for about 5 minutes. Great picture Great sound. After about 5 minutes the sound synchronization is off and it gets progressively worse for about 3 minutes or till about the speech is a full second behind the actor speaking it. Then it corrects itself. And is fine for 5 minutes, and continues in that fashion. The last 10 minutes of the movie is fine all the way through.
I still have the black lines on top and bottom of the screen. Is there a way to make this full screen with no black bars?

[y2flyy]

hey kwag I have a very good question I would like you to answer for me
using your template or any template
I set the res at 480x480 b/c it looks much better than the vcd standard of I think 352x240
now when the res is at 352x240 it is in full screen
but at the res that I use which is the svcd standard as you know
the screen sqeeze down to a ratio that looks like 16:9 (or widescreen)
even though this looks better is this suppose to happen and/or is there a way to keep the sharpness and quality using the res of 480x480 at FULL SCREEN??
Thanks
Y2Flyy

[kwag]

Kwag

"For your new DIVx movie, if the running time is 1:23:57, change the template to 352x240 and increase the CQ to 82. Keep the frame rate as 23.976. That should do an excelent quality and file size. "


I did this, and just finished watching about 20 minutes of it.

It is fine for about 5 minutes. Great picture Great sound. After about 5 minutes the sound synchronization is off and it gets progressively worse for about 3 minutes or till about the speech is a full second behind the actor speaking it. Then it corrects itself. And is fine for 5 minutes, and continues in that fashion. The last 10 minutes of the movie is fine all the way through.
I still have the black lines on top and bottom of the screen. Is there a way to make this full screen with no black bars?

Hi EightBall:

I think there's a conversion problem from your DIVx file into MPEG.
Or your DVD player doesn't like a high bit rate.

The increase of CQ just raises the average bit rate. That's the only change in the resulting MPEG fiile.

For aspect ratios, black bars, anamorphic, Pan & Scan, etc, take a look here:
http://www.doom9.org/aspectratios.htm

kwag

[kwag]

hey kwag I have a very good question I would like you to answer for me
using your template or any template
I set the res at 480x480 b/c it looks much better than the vcd standard of I think 352x240
now when the res is at 352x240 it is in full screen
but at the res that I use which is the svcd standard as you know
the screen sqeeze down to a ratio that looks like 16:9 (or widescreen)
even though this looks better is this suppose to happen and/or is there a way to keep the sharpness and quality using the res of 480x480 at FULL SCREEN??
Thanks
Y2Flyy

What are you using for playback?

kwag

[y2flyy]

apex 1100w dvd player
and also radlight and windows media player on my computer

[y2flyy]

wait a cop picking second
uhh I just tried it on my windows media player and it played full screen
but in my dvd player it only plays like its 16:9
also when i encode it using tmpgenc it shows it a the smaller screen while encoding
Y2flyy

[kwag]

wait a cop picking second
uhh I just tried it on my windows media player and it played full screen
but in my dvd player it only plays like its 16:9
also when i encode it using tmpgenc it shows it a the smaller screen while encoding
Y2flyy

*Bingo* Change your source aspect in TMPGEnc.

kwag

[KingEightBall]

For aspect ratios, black bars, anamorphic, Pan & Scan, etc, take a look here:
http://www.doom9.org/aspectratios.htm


Thanks Kwag....A readin' I shall go!!!

[y2flyy]

but kw what should i change it to
i think it usually be on 4:3
what should i change it to
and if i change it will i lose the quality
thanks alot
Y2Flyy

[kwag]

but kw what should i change it to
i think it usually be on 4:3
what should i change it to
and if i change it will i lose the quality
thanks alot
Y2Flyy

I don't know!. Do you know what is the original aspect of your source?.

It all depends how you are feeding TMPEG. What did you use?.
VirtualDub? DVD2AVI? XMPEG? a DIVx? DVDx? Flask? raw AVI?

It all depends, so I can't give you an answer, only you can tell if you know what your input aspect is.

kwag

[FlîrtîngWîthDî§a§ter]

Ok folks...i tried it...and i personally do not like the quality of the movie....its a good idea but if quality is what your looking for than this is not the way to go, but if quantity is what your after than i highly recomend it, i wanna suggest people not attacking y2flyy
unless you've tried it, but i like the direction he's going (keep it up y2flyy)......i have 2 samples that i have uploaded to my MSN site and feel free to download (right click_save Target as...) its from a DVD Rip, the final output file size was 735Mb.
http://communities.msn.ca/GodBless/files.msnw?fc_a=0&fc_p=

[KingEightBall]

Kwag.
I just used tmpegenc to encode a movie with your template.
it was a big movie and its encoded size is 711 mb.

Haven't had this yet. My cd-rs fit 700 mb according to their label. It's not going to fit , is it.

What do you use to split it up and is there a link on the subject of how to?

EightBall

[JCPicache]

well happy birthday. this thread is 1 month old now.

i say we have this thread archived or something! there's definitely a ton of information in here

as for me, imma go print this tomorrow at work with a software that prints four pages into one sheet, just to save paper! even with that, who knows how many sheets i'll need?

great job to everbody heheh

[KingEightBall]

4 pages to one sheet huh?

Can I get a copy of that JCPicache?

Eightball