HERE's HOW TO FIT 120mins movie on one cd in SVCD FORMAT!!!!

[bilbogod]

Just encoded 1 min of the Moby music dvd. In particular the "megamix section" which contains rapidly changing visualisations. Result 1 min without audio 15.5Mb...... ouch!!!

Will have to alter one or two setttings I think.......

[Manego1]

thanks zeppellin, but im trying the method that Y2flyy has accomplished with converting first to .asf and then to .mpg (svcd)since it takes up alot less space.

[Manego1]

Zeppelin,

Can u explain to me how i join the .avi files?

[Manego1]

I tried with VirtualDub, but when i tried combining the divx .avi files, it says the video streams need to have the same sampling rate. then it says like, "the 1st one is 15.000, and the 2nd one is 14.9997 or something like that.. . so now what do i do ?

[Learner]

If you have a card that has a BT848 or BT878, you can download this:

http://btwincap.sourceforge.net

And capture at just about any resolution.

Hope this helps.

kwag

Hi Kwag, you are the maaaan. Thanks for your helps to newbies. After re install the driver my windowsxp pro and my old Hauppauge wintv card worked perfectly. I am be able to capture raw avi file at any settings. Actually my ati aiw 128 agp did not take it. But I am be able to go on with my project to convert my VHS to VCD by using your template and the quality is much much better than what I had before.

Here is another newbie question. After using your template and find out that 1min= 11mb to 13mb instead of 5MB or 6MB in order to make 120min fixes in 1CD. What i am doing wrong?? Any answers would appriciate. BTW, I had Apex 500A DVD. I am using 352x240, min=600, quality 70/75, as you recommend from another post.

[Bud]

Kwag,

Reviewed your Satellite Capture, questions:

What are you using to Capture?
What is the settings for this Capture?
What did you use to convert/encode?
Did you have to make any changes to your Template to code this out to MPEG?


This was a very good Capture. I have a Digital Cable which is a very good, clean picture. Just not there yet on the Capture part. I see a Guide listed on this site will that process give up the same results as your templates? Many thanks for all your support and quick answers.

Bud

[cybermage26]

Just for shits and giggles kwag, I was wondering on the way you would go on fitting a movie onto 1 CD encoding from a source such as VCD..?
Like if I already have an encoded VCD I want to squeeze to one cd.

I know the resolution would have to come back down to normal, and the bitrate max would have to be set to 1150, obviously, because it would be pointless to resize and upscale a bitrate already on 1150.

But would you leave the minimum bitrate etc the same, also would you change the GOP structure at all?

Thanks for your input.

[Learner]

Hi Kwag, Just wonder where are you?? Nobody have any more questions ??? surprise me???

[lhorwinkle]

If you put 2 hours on a disk, it's not an SVCD.

SVCD standard specifies a video bit rate (2520 kbps) and an audio bit rate (224 kbps).

A CD can hold 650 or 700 MB (or more, depending). Do the math. You cannot get 2 hours of SVCD material on a CD.

Now, you CAN get 2 hours of VIDEO on a CD. But it can't be in SVCD format.

By way of example, I just burned Ghostbusters onto a CD. It runs 1 hours and 45 minutes. I just barely fits on the CD.

But this video file is in DivX format. Not MPEG-2/SVCD. The fact that it fits on one CD demonstrates that this must be a (much) lower bit rate than the 2520 kbps SVCD rate.

If you think you can get 2 hours of SVCD (not just any video ... but SVCD), then maybe you also think you can get 20 gallons of gasoline in your car's 12 gallon tank. Do the math. It just won't work.

[PlaiBoi]

Has anyone tried using Kwag's template with an Apex AD-500W? Does it work?

Also, i have Monsters Inc. dvd rip and its resolution is 640x352. Should i use the default resolution of kwag's template and leave it at 352x480 or should i reduce it to 352x240?

Thanx for all this help everyone!

[cybermage26]

If you put 2 hours on a disk, it's not an SVCD.

SVCD standard specifies a video bit rate (2520 kbps) and an audio bit rate (224 kbps).

A CD can hold 650 or 700 MB (or more, depending). Do the math. You cannot get 2 hours of SVCD material on a CD.

Now, you CAN get 2 hours of VIDEO on a CD. But it can't be in SVCD format.

By way of example, I just burned Ghostbusters onto a CD. It runs 1 hours and 45 minutes. I just barely fits on the CD.

But this video file is in DivX format. Not MPEG-2/SVCD. The fact that it fits on one CD demonstrates that this must be a (much) lower bit rate than the 2520 kbps SVCD rate.

If you think you can get 2 hours of SVCD (not just any video ... but SVCD), then maybe you also think you can get 20 gallons of gasoline in your car's 12 gallon tank. Do the math. It just won't work.

Oh my god, you freaking idiot. Did you even read the posts? This isnt talking about SVCD anymore freak, its talking about xVCD......... deerrrrrrr.

[Deusxmachina]

If you put 2 hours on a disk, it's not an SVCD.

Well, XSVCD. I know everyone can tend to interchange the formats around here, such as I usually call mpeg2 at 480x480 an SVCD even if it's not at the standard bitrate because it's close enough and everyone knows what I mean, and other people may call any resolution/bitrate using mpeg2 an SVCD.

You're right. Technically, they are not SVCDs. But, close enough to work in most SVCD players.

[PlaiBoi]

I just encoded about 24 sec. of Monsters Inc. at 74CQ with kwag's template and it seems a little light/bright and even a little grainy in the beginning.

I uploaded it here so that you guys could take a look.

http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/8b4f4865/bc/My+Documents/vV-Monsters.Inc.2001.mpg?bcdLy.8AFIkS_fJX

[bilbogod]

Ihorwinkle said:

If you put 2 hours on a disk, it's not an SVCD.

SVCD standard specifies a video bit rate (2520 kbps) and an audio bit rate (224 kbps).

Dude, I suggest you re read the spec for svcd.... It is not as static as you are suggesting........

[T0mbraider]

Deusxmachina wrote:

For starters, I could not get anythingx480 to work well using mpeg1. 320x, 352x, 480x, the Apex didn't like it. I also tested with 352x480 using SVCD. I don't know why, but it looked worse at 70cq than 480x480 looked at 60cq. Maybe the player has a problem interpreting the 352x, who knows. Whatever it is, it looks like for me and the Apex that standard resolutions are where it's at. 320x240 for VCD, and 480x480 for SVCD.

I have tha apex model 660A? 600A? (not sure at the moment). At first everything was squashed, but last night I tried kwag's temp again with a vcr cap from Titan AE. This time it worked. A one min cap turned out to be about 15.4mg and had to process with VirtualDub with field swap and denoise filter, then frameserve to tmpgenc. the file the shrunk to a little over 12mg. (Guess I picked a section with too much action). Source had to be capped at 29.976, set to interlace, then the template would automatically convert to 23.976 with inverse telecine. That output burned with nero worked on my apex. no squashed output or oversized picture.

[kwag]

If you have a card that has a BT848 or BT878, you can download this:

http://btwincap.sourceforge.net

And capture at just about any resolution.

Hope this helps.

kwag

Hi Kwag, you are the maaaan. Thanks for your helps to newbies. After re install the driver my windowsxp pro and my old Hauppauge wintv card worked perfectly. I am be able to capture raw avi file at any settings. Actually my ati aiw 128 agp did not take it. But I am be able to go on with my project to convert my VHS to VCD by using your template and the quality is much much better than what I had before.

Here is another newbie question. After using your template and find out that 1min= 11mb to 13mb instead of 5MB or 6MB in order to make 120min fixes in 1CD. What i am doing wrong?? Any answers would appriciate. BTW, I had Apex 500A DVD. I am using 352x240, min=600, quality 70/75, as you recommend from another post.

Hey thanks Learner!

I guess you are capturing at 29.97fps. Right?

That is why your mpeg is larger.

You have to "Inverse Telecine" your capture back to 23.976fps.
That's it.

kwag

[kwag]

Kwag,

Reviewed your Satellite Capture, questions:

What are you using to Capture?
What is the settings for this Capture?
What did you use to convert/encode?
Did you have to make any changes to your Template to code this out to MPEG?


This was a very good Capture. I have a Digital Cable which is a very good, clean picture. Just not there yet on the Capture part. I see a Guide listed on this site will that process give up the same results as your templates? Many thanks for all your support and quick answers.

Bud

Check your mail private mail Bud.!

kwag

[kwag]

Just for shits and giggles kwag, I was wondering on the way you would go on fitting a movie onto 1 CD encoding from a source such as VCD..?
Like if I already have an encoded VCD I want to squeeze to one cd.

I know the resolution would have to come back down to normal, and the bitrate max would have to be set to 1150, obviously, because it would be pointless to resize and upscale a bitrate already on 1150.

But would you leave the minimum bitrate etc the same, also would you change the GOP structure at all?

Thanks for your input.

You can use the template as is, just change the output resolution to 352x240 ( or 352x288 if it's a PAL VCD ).

You'll be able to fit the movie on a single CD, but the quality and the blocks ( if there are on the original VCD ) wil be the same on your copy.

kwag

[kwag]

If you put 2 hours on a disk, it's not an SVCD.

SVCD standard specifies a video bit rate (2520 kbps) and an audio bit rate (224 kbps).

A CD can hold 650 or 700 MB (or more, depending). Do the math. You cannot get 2 hours of SVCD material on a CD.

Now, you CAN get 2 hours of VIDEO on a CD. But it can't be in SVCD format.

By way of example, I just burned Ghostbusters onto a CD. It runs 1 hours and 45 minutes. I just barely fits on the CD.

But this video file is in DivX format. Not MPEG-2/SVCD. The fact that it fits on one CD demonstrates that this must be a (much) lower bit rate than the 2520 kbps SVCD rate.

If you think you can get 2 hours of SVCD (not just any video ... but SVCD), then maybe you also think you can get 20 gallons of gasoline in your car's 12 gallon tank. Do the math. It just won't work.

Hello my friend.

Maybe you should roll back a little and read this thread way way back.

Or take a look at the link in my signature.

When you see the file sizes versus play time, you might think different.

kwag

[kwag]

I just encoded about 24 sec. of Monsters Inc. at 74CQ with kwag's template and it seems a little light/bright and even a little grainy in the beginning.

I uploaded it here so that you guys could take a look.

http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/8b4f4865/bc/My+Documents/vV-Monsters.Inc.2001.mpg?bcdLy.8AFIkS_fJX

Hi PlaiBoi:

What was your source?.
How did you feed into TMPEG ( Flask, Xmpeg, DVDx ) ?.

Check the samples at the site in my signature.

kwag

[bilbogod]

Hey Kwag, where did u get the funky swirling clock and calendar from on your site ????

[kwag]

Hey Kwag, where did u get the funky swirling clock and calendar from on your site ????

Hi bilbogod:

How's mpegging life!.

A friend sent me an e-mail with the link from some site.

I didn't like the original because it had no colors and it was round.

So I modified the shape, and added the colors, etc.

It's a javascript, so you can actually see the source in the page.

kwag

[Bud]

Still haveing a problem converting a DV AVI Capture with your Template. I use Adobe Premiere 6.0 to Capture with the standard DV AVI settings (720x480), Save this as a AVI, Open TMPGEnc, load the AVI, Load your template, when I look it's about a 1.3 GB file, the total film is only 106 Min. The Capture is at 29.97.What am I doing wrong? The DVD stuff warks great.

Bud

[kwag]

Still haveing a problem converting a DV AVI Capture with your Template. I use Adobe Premiere 6.0 to Capture with the standard DV AVI settings (720x480), Save this as a AVI, Open TMPGEnc, load the AVI, Load your template, when I look it's about a 1.3 GB file, the total film is only 106 Min. The Capture is at 29.97.What am I doing wrong? The DVD stuff warks great.

Bud

Can you capture at 352x480 instead of 720x480?.

kwag

[Bud]

Kwag,

Will try that when I get home......kinda' hard to do it at work...the boss won't let me bring in my Video equimpent, something to do with gettin' in the way of my normal day-to-day stuff, whata guy...........anyway will try that and report back later.....thanks.......

Bud

[Learner]

Hey thanks Learner!

I guess you are capturing at 29.97fps. Right?

That is why your mpeg is larger.

You have to "Inverse Telecine" your capture back to 23.976fps.
That's it.

kwag

Hi Kwag, yeah, I am capturing at 29.97 fps then using your template to convert to xVCD, The only modifications are changing to 352x240, CQ to 75, max/min rate is 2300/600 still keep frame rate at 23.976fps. Is this right??

I recognized under advance there is an option "Inverse Telecine" should I check it before do encoding? Is that the one are you talking about? I will test it by tonight and will report back. If I am wrong please correct me . Thanks

[kwag]

Hey thanks Learner!

I guess you are capturing at 29.97fps. Right?

That is why your mpeg is larger.

You have to "Inverse Telecine" your capture back to 23.976fps.
That's it.

kwag

Hi Kwag, yeah, I am capturing at 29.97 fps then using your template to convert to xVCD, The only modifications are changing to 352x240, CQ to 75, max/min rate is 2300/600 still keep frame rate at 23.976fps. Is this right??

I recognized under advance there is an option "Inverse Telecine" should I check it before do encoding? Is that the one are you talking about? I will test it by tonight and will report back. If I am wrong please correct me . Thanks

Hi Learner:

Please go here: http://www.doom9.org/mpg/tmpg-ivtc.htm
and read about IVTC. It's a complec topic.

I short, you will still capture at 29.97, but you have to do IVTC to get your mpeg back to it's original frame rate of 23.976.

This way your mpeg will be much smaller and it will playback smoothly.

kwag

[kwag]

I've posted a new sample, an S-Video capture from my portable DVD player, directly into my WinTV GO card. I still can't believe the quality for a $50.00 card!.

So if you want to see what to expect from a VirtualDub capture and any card that has a BT878 chipset, download the "city-hall.mpg" sample from the site.

It's a direct capture to AVI, processed with the template and TMPEG with Inverse Telecine ( Because the original is 23.976fps ).

http://ns1.shidima.com/kwag

kwag

[DaDe]

Kwag

After reading all 17 pages of this topic three times i think i understood what were you doing (of course my clothes became old fashined after that), i'm the newest newbie in this forum so you can imagine why i read it three times, but, in what i'm still confused is the use of avisynth and avsgen and aviwraper and all that stuff, do i need to use that programs?, do i need to use sound foundry video factory? i just dont get that, bye the way i just forgot with wich program you feed the Tmpgen, can you say it again? cause i think i'm going blind after watchin so many hours my monitor almost without blinking my eyes. Hope you're still around.

By the way, i've downloaded your templates and your samples and the samples looked just a bit better than all the VCD's i've made (just two :) oh and one Divx) but they(mine) only have 1 hour of video so, your template is the choice for put 2 hrs in one cd. Just another question, did you try to use flaskmpeg and panasonic plugin with the Gop and the other settings of your template?

Thank you so much,

DaDe.

[kwag]

Kwag

After reading all 17 pages of this topic three times i think i understood what were you doing (of course my clothes became old fashined after that), i'm the newest newbie in this forum so you can imagine why i read it three times, but, in what i'm still confused is the use of avisynth and avsgen and aviwraper and all that stuff, do i need to use that programs?, do i need to use sound foundry video factory? i just dont get that, bye the way i just forgot with wich program you feed the Tmpgen, can you say it again? cause i think i'm going blind after watchin so many hours my monitor almost without blinking my eyes. Hope you're still around.

By the way, i've downloaded your templates and your samples and the samples looked just a bit better than all the VCD's i've made (just two oh and one Divx) but they(mine) only have 1 hour of video so, your template is the choice for put 2 hrs in one cd. Just another question, did you try to use flaskmpeg and panasonic plugin with the Gop and the other settings of your template?

Thank you so much,

DaDe.

Hi DaDe:

I understand what you mean, because a friend called me the other day, telling me that this thread had kept him awake ti'l 2:00AM.

The method I am using now is a little complex, but the quality produced is second to none.

For DVD rips, use DVDDecrypter followed by DVD2AVI, to make your project file.

For captures, just open the captured file ( AVI ) with one of the programs below.

Then use FitCD or AvsGen to open the .d2v ( or captured AVI ) and generate a script ( .avs ) and add AviSynth functions, etc. ( And this is beyond the scope of this reply!. See AviSynth references)

Now you use VirtualDub to open your .avs script, set internal filters for noise cleanup, sub-titles with VobSub (another plug-in ) and frameserve to TMPGEnc.

That's the step by step "birds eye" of the procedure. Please read the guides in this site and in doom9.org regarding the use of each of the programs mentioned.

I also found an excelent site:
http://www.inmatrix.com/articles/ivtc.shtml

This is an excelent guide and documentation regarding video capture and encoding with AviSynth and TMPEG, with full description on Inverse Telecine and decomb filters, etc.

You may want to download the latest sample I posted today in the site called Mixed Previews ( mixed-cap.mpg ).
This was captured via S-Video and processed with the decomb filter for AviSynth. Original frame rate of 29.97, IVCT'd to 23.976 and encoded with the template and TMPEG.

Take a look and see what can be done with this method!.

About the Panasonic Plug in, I used it a long time ago, but it doesn't generate variable bitrate so it's no good for what we are doing here.

You could use Xmpeg 4.2a ( 4.5 is a totally broken piece of junk! ), but you'll not get the quality that you get by the AviSynth+VitrualDub method.

Regards,
kwag