HERE's HOW TO FIT 120mins movie on one cd in SVCD FORMAT!!!!

[Deusxmachina]

I thought I'd post on this since I'm the one Sean mentioned with the 50" TV. I was encoding Sexy Beast, and his one-disc template *did* look better. However, that was a little out of context.

Kwag, as anyone who has tried his template knows, is really onto something. The 90-minute Sexy Beast encode at 70cq was a ridiculously-small 460megs I think it was. (I did this stuff days ago but my account wouldn't let me post.) It looked quite good on my 50" television. For how fast the encoding was, that's an impressive combination.

Sean's templates use 2-pass VBR, so they take awhile and aren't intended for quick-and-dirty encodes. Sexy Beast came out noticeably better, nothing "wow," but noticeable, but it's not quite a fair comparison once the extra encoding time and using up the full 800megs of the CD is factored in.

I asked Sean what his templates do differently, and he said the bitrate is calculated to fill up the disc. That's nothing revolutionary using 2-pass VBR, but they are very convenient to have the templates ready to go to click on instead of having to do a little math and bitrate calculating on your own. If there is more to the templates that I'm missing, hopefully Sean will expound upon that and give the full story.

For my Apex 5131, unfortunately, it doesn't like Kwag's template. Too bad, too, because it's great for quick-and-dirty stuff. My audio would glitch out every few seconds. I tried 224 audio, but it still didn't like it. I tried raising the minimum bitrate to 500, and that helped the audio a little, but then the video would jump once in awhile.

I tried A LOT of one-minute test samples using the D1 resolution and full resolution and everything else, and here are my findings using my samples. I used Sexy Beast and The Fifth Element. Sexy Beast has very little action, so low bitrates work well. The Fifth Element is a reference DVD -- it's as good a looking DVD as one can get -- and there's plenty of crowd movement in the scene I tested with.

For starters, I could not get anythingx480 to work well using mpeg1. 320x, 352x, 480x, the Apex didn't like it. I also tested with 352x480 using SVCD. I don't know why, but it looked worse at 70cq than 480x480 looked at 60cq. Maybe the player has a problem interpreting the 352x, who knows. Whatever it is, it looks like for me and the Apex that standard resolutions are where it's at. 320x240 for VCD, and 480x480 for SVCD.

Also, someone else mentioned this, and now so will I. Doesn't everyone's picture get squashed using 352x with mpeg1? I know it's not my player because I can see it right in the TMPGenc window as it's encoding. I tried 1:1, 4:3, etc, and it's always squashed at least some. Is everyone encoding squashed mpeg1 at 352x480?

Meanwhile, 352x480 doesn't squash for mpeg2, but, again, the quality is worse compared to the same file size for 480x480 for whatever reason.

So, it was fun to play around with, but the x480 mpeg1 compatibility doesn't work for me. The thing is, the new version of TMPGenc seems to be noticeably better in 2-pass VBR. It's also slower, but that's a fair trade-off. I did a quick-and-dirty 480x480 SVCD of Poison (Kari Wuhrer, ooooo...), 90 minutes, looks solid enough (again, on my 50"), and even with 224 audio it came in at 806 megs using 73cq.

So, I dunno, I never used cq much in the past, but the new TMPGenc to me seems to simply encode better, albeit slower. The main thing I noticed is with motion. It's as if it doesn't macroblock as much for motion, but the trade-off is in colors not staying solid, like a close-up of someone talking you can see the colors in their face pixelating somewhat. Not something you'd notice on a smaller TV, so the apparently-better motion encoding is helpful.

Anyway, that's my take on things at this point.

[wee haggis]

Hi Kwag,
i've used your template a few times now and have to say that the results are quite impressive.
I do ,however have a question.
I noticed that you have a template for both NTSC and PAL.
Do you have one for NTSC Film....or do you have to do the Invert Telecine?

[ZeppelinFan]

Hey Deusxmachina,

Got a couple templetes here for ya to try out for your apex

I thought I'd post on this since I'm the one Sean mentioned with the 50" TV. I was encoding Sexy Beast, and his one-disc template *did* look better. However, that was a little out of context.

Kwag, as anyone who has tried his template knows, is really onto something. The 90-minute Sexy Beast encode at 70cq was a ridiculously-small 460megs I think it was. (I did this stuff days ago but my account wouldn't let me post.) It looked quite good on my 50" television. For how fast the encoding was, that's an impressive combination.

Sean's templates use 2-pass VBR, so they take awhile and aren't intended for quick-and-dirty encodes. Sexy Beast came out noticeably better, nothing "wow," but noticeable, but it's not quite a fair comparison once the extra encoding time and using up the full 800megs of the CD is factored in.

I asked Sean what his templates do differently, and he said the bitrate is calculated to fill up the disc. That's nothing revolutionary using 2-pass VBR, but they are very convenient to have the templates ready to go to click on instead of having to do a little math and bitrate calculating on your own. If there is more to the templates that I'm missing, hopefully Sean will expound upon that and give the full story.

For my Apex 5131, unfortunately, it doesn't like Kwag's template. Too bad, too, because it's great for quick-and-dirty stuff. My audio would glitch out every few seconds. I tried 224 audio, but it still didn't like it. I tried raising the minimum bitrate to 500, and that helped the audio a little, but then the video would jump once in awhile.

I tried A LOT of one-minute test samples using the D1 resolution and full resolution and everything else, and here are my findings using my samples. I used Sexy Beast and The Fifth Element. Sexy Beast has very little action, so low bitrates work well. The Fifth Element is a reference DVD -- it's as good a looking DVD as one can get -- and there's plenty of crowd movement in the scene I tested with.

For starters, I could not get anythingx480 to work well using mpeg1. 320x, 352x, 480x, the Apex didn't like it. I also tested with 352x480 using SVCD. I don't know why, but it looked worse at 70cq than 480x480 looked at 60cq. Maybe the player has a problem interpreting the 352x, who knows. Whatever it is, it looks like for me and the Apex that standard resolutions are where it's at. 320x240 for VCD, and 480x480 for SVCD.

Also, someone else mentioned this, and now so will I. Doesn't everyone's picture get squashed using 352x with mpeg1? I know it's not my player because I can see it right in the TMPGenc window as it's encoding. I tried 1:1, 4:3, etc, and it's always squashed at least some. Is everyone encoding squashed mpeg1 at 352x480?

Meanwhile, 352x480 doesn't squash for mpeg2, but, again, the quality is worse compared to the same file size for 480x480 for whatever reason.

So, it was fun to play around with, but the x480 mpeg1 compatibility doesn't work for me. The thing is, the new version of TMPGenc seems to be noticeably better in 2-pass VBR. It's also slower, but that's a fair trade-off. I did a quick-and-dirty 480x480 SVCD of Poison (Kari Wuhrer, ooooo...), 90 minutes, looks solid enough (again, on my 50"), and even with 224 audio it came in at 806 megs using 73cq.

So, I dunno, I never used cq much in the past, but the new TMPGenc to me seems to simply encode better, albeit slower. The main thing I noticed is with motion. It's as if it doesn't macroblock as much for motion, but the trade-off is in colors not staying solid, like a close-up of someone talking you can see the colors in their face pixelating somewhat. Not something you'd notice on a smaller TV, so the apparently-better motion encoding is helpful.

Anyway, that's my take on things at this point.

Did You happen to try my 544x480 templete? It seems to be decent especially for films of 100 minutes and under. For one I noticed is that it gives you a "wider" range of view then the standard 352x240! Because I have noticed and I don't know if anyone else has, that using the standard 352x240 is a real nice templete, but you do lose some on the horizontal view. Now I just did "don't say a word" it is a 110 minute movie and thats taking out all the credits...lol
And I got it on one cdr 80! Now to achieve this without losing much quality I had to go with the standard 352x240. But, I also got to use cq75 with a 70/70 sharpen edge. That was at a 23 fps and I had to go with the 128 bit sound. But really that isn't much a sacrafice at least. I could have went with the 352x240 with cq 80, 128 bit it was really about the same and with the same size file so I went with the 75, 70/70. Now this should work for you Deusxmachina with your apex. So maybe try it and you might be surprised with the results. Now myself, when I do my next film, hopefully it will be shorter then 110 minutes..lol So, I can use my 544x480 templete. Oh by the way, I was able to tweek it oh so slightly more to make it better. Has anyone yet tried my templete to see what results they have gotten. I really do believe it is better then the standard.

Oh by the way Deusxmachina, Try bumping your minimum br to 600 that may help more on the apex. It really does take a lot of work to see what actually works and works best for your dvd player and t.v.. I been hammering away here and have learned alot and have written a few things down. Also 352x240 is the standard for vcd not 320x240 which you said above Deusxmachina. Well, anyhow I hope this helps you out some. Let me know if any of this worked.

Laterz,

[kwag]

For my Apex 5131, unfortunately, it doesn't like Kwag's template. Too bad, too, because it's great for quick-and-dirty stuff. My audio would glitch out every few seconds. I tried 224 audio, but it still didn't like it. I tried raising the minimum bitrate to 500, and that helped the audio a little, but then the video would jump once in awhile.


For starters, I could not get anythingx480 to work well using mpeg1. 320x, 352x, 480x, the Apex didn't like it. I also tested with 352x480 using SVCD. I don't know why, but it looked worse at 70cq than 480x480 looked at 60cq. Maybe the player has a problem interpreting the 352x, who knows. Whatever it is, it looks like for me and the Apex that standard resolutions are where it's at. 320x240 for VCD, and 480x480 for SVCD.

Hi Deusxmachina:

Just change the output of your resolution on the template from 352x480 to 352x240.

Also keep the minimum bit rate for your Apex at 500. ( was 300 )

As your screen output resolution is now smaller, raise the CQ to 74 or 75.

And if you want the max possible quality ( very close to 2-pass ), and don't want to wait the 2-pass time and also keep your size very small, select Highest Quality in Motion Search Precision.

I have a Apex AD-600, that I'm not using right now, so I'll fire it up later today and see if it works. I'll post the results here.

Now give it a shot!.

kwag

[ZeppelinFan]

Hi Kwag!

I see you just posted fatre I did. You think you may put that 544x480 templete on your site? If so, I have a little tweek on it before you do, that is saying that you do. And maybe give it a try for the 90-100 minute movies. It really does give you a little bit more of a wider view of the actual film. Cause the standard does cut it off some. Well, anyhow I thought I might catch ya while you was on here still..lol

TTYL,

[kwag]

Hi ZeppelinFan:

The reason I didn't choose 544x480 has to do with the following:

As 544x480, the resolution you have chosen , is exactly 2/3 DVD.

The problem with this is that for that resolution to be relatively macroblock free ( macroblock aligned ), it has to have a maximum bit rate of at least ( 1,150 X 3 = 3,450 ) and that's where the problem is, because most DVD players when playing a VCD ( or xVCD in this case ) will start to skip frames and go out of sync. Most DVD players play fine up to 2,500 to 3,000. But after that, not so many!.

I understand that at regular scenes and medium motion scenes, the results are very good, but on fast action scenes a max of 2,300 as defined in the template is not enough to demand the bandwidth necessary to keep macroblocks aligned with the action at that resolution.

If you look at something like the first action scene of "The Mummy Returns" with a resolution of 544x480 and a MAX bit rate of 2,300, all you'll see is a madness of unaligned macroblocks, with hardly any visible details.

I had done previous tests in the last 3 months, with 720x480, 640x480, 544x480 and the final value for the most compatible/quality/space format while keeping the bitrate consistent with the resolution resulted in the 352x480.

There is really not that much visual difference on the horizontal pixels from 352 to 544. The most drastic visual result is on the vertical visibility from 240 to 480 pixels.

Also the mpegs will be larger at 544x480, and then the CQ will have to be lowered to compensate in order to fit X movie, and the quality/space treshold that is gained with the current template will be lost.

The CQ value of 70 is about the minimum for acceptable quality. Anything below that is not good. This is for TMPEG 2.53, the current version. Maybe that value will change in future releases.


kwag

[kwag]

I finished testing a 1 minute clip on my Apex AD-600A and it played perfectly without any audio or video skips/jumps or whatever.

Change the MIN bit rate on the template from 300 to 600.
Change the output resolution from 352x480 to 352x240. ( 352x288 for PAL )
Change the CQ from 70 to 75, to compensate for the loss of resolution.

Anyone with other Apex models, please report here your success ( or failures )

** These changes on the template are ONLY for APEX DVD players. **

kwag

[Deusxmachina]

Zepplinfan, raising the 352x resolution should help unsquash the picture, but I don't think the Apex will play *anything* with mpeg1 at x480. I just don't think it can do it without a hope and a prayer, unfortunately.

Kwag, same deal with what you just posted. You said it worked on your 600, but you also changed the horizontal resolution back down to x240. I have no doubt it would play on mine, but that's back to regular VCD quality anyway, so I would think I would be better off just making a regular fully-compliant VCD (although using your template if I want it as small as possible). I rarely make anything without a horizontal res of x480 because x240 just doesn't cut it on a bigger TV. At that resolution, I may as well be watching VHS, ya know?

So for x480, looks like I *have* to use SVCD. Not that that's bad or anything, the new TMPGenc looks to have some quality improvement for low bitrates, but it'd be nice if I could get your template to work at x480 mpeg1 for when I want to do some quick-and-dirty encoding still with good quality.


It's not your template's gop #s that my Apex won't play... it's the x480 in general (for mpeg1). I tried every combination I could think of, but it just won't play mpeg1 with a horizonatal res of x480. bummer.

[kwag]

Hey Deusxmachina, you can get rid of your Apex quickly at EBAY
and get good money for it too!. 8)

kwag

[Deusxmachina]

Har, har. You a funny guy, Kwag.

I felt pretty lucky to have found the 5131, actually. A 3-disc changer that plays SVCD (and mp3) for $129 is hard to come by. I do consider the Daewoo 5700 better in this price range, but the 5700 isn't a changer. And I'll be damned if I have to get up off the couch to change a disc in the middle of an SVCD movie. :P

[kwag]

I know what you mean Deusxmachina.

A couple of months ago, when I was still doing 2 VCD's per movie, I bought the JVC XV-F80BK 7 disc changer. But the price was up around $300.00.

The funny thing is that now I don't use more than 1 disc, because of the format I'm using!.

And the JVC plays is back perfectly!.

Anyway, you got an excelent deal on your player.

kwag

[kwag]

A 30 second sample of "Geri's game" is now posted on the template's site.

kwag

[y2flyy]

hey whats up yall
just wanted to let yall know that my new apex 1100w plays res of 480x480 and I havent had any problems using kwag temp or anything else
this apex plays everything get it at walmart for $69
and kwag i have a questions and a request
first could you please create a template using your method for just a regular source file like divx downloads,etc.....
it seems that the one you're using is targeted more for dvdrips
am i wrong??
and also I just started encoding all my movies with nothing lower than 480x480 and the quality is alot better than I thought
but it takes twice as long to encode
is that suppose to be the case at that resolution??
thanks Y2Flyy

[ZeppelinFan]

Hey Kwag and Deusxmachina,

Well, I figured I would at least throw that templete out there. I bought my Sanyo 3 disk changer for $129 at Walmart. Which appears to be $30 cheaper then what it is normally going for. So, I think that I got a pretty good deal for it. It does pretty good it seems like. The 352x480 is some what horizontally stretched, which sorta sux since it has a decent quality pic at that res.. The 352x288 all it does is roll with a blank screen.

Well, Kwag I will try a more action filled scene movie then "don't say a word" with the 544x480 res. and see about the pixel problems. Hopefully I can work around this. Since it does seem to be a better templete then the standard, with the cost of a bigger file, but which is fine for a shorter film then 110 minutes. I may been able to get that "don't say a word" with that res. But I am still not yet experienced enough to know the cut off limits of the file sizes. Cause I did do it at the standard like you ended up doing as well. But with a 70/70 sharpen edge as well as the 75 cq. And there was some room left and the 544x480 file size wasn't that much bigger but was afraid it wouldn't fit. Oh well it still has a really decent pic. Would you agree it has at least a vhs quality Kwag? (The Don't say a word). And that is a 110 minute movie (with all the credits cut out....lol)
Well, anyhow I am glad we are able to exchange ideas here and learn from people here. Also, I really have not seen any difference at all with your 1 20 3 1 gop setting kwag, and it doesn't seem to effect the file size either. Has anyone actually taken a file of say 3 minutes and do the standard then try the 1 20 3 1 setting and see the quality if it changes and the file size? Cause I don't see it. Maybe I need to try it some more but so far no luck seeing anything at all from that setting.

TTYL,

[ZeppelinFan]

Hey Fly,

Haven't heard from you in a couple days, was wondering if you got lost in the test and trial scene like I did for like two days. LOL
Ya the 480x480 does seem like a nice res. and since it is the standard for svcd anyhow it should work nicely. And yea the bigger the res. the longer the dl. Especially if you start tweeking the cq settings and such. Try my 544x480 templete and see what ya get there.

hey whats up yall
just wanted to let yall know that my new apex 1100w plays res of 480x480 and I havent had any problems using kwag temp or anything else
this apex plays everything get it at walmart for $69
and kwag i have a questions and a request
first could you please create a template using your method for just a regular source file like divx downloads,etc.....
it seems that the one you're using is targeted more for dvdrips
am i wrong??
and also I just started encoding all my movies with nothing lower than 480x480 and the quality is alot better than I thought
but it takes twice as long to encode
is that suppose to be the case at that resolution??
thanks Y2Flyy

But you will find that the loner films of 100 mins. and above, you may not be able to do at that high of res. just depends on the movie and settings of course.
Well, figured I would just mention my templete to ya for a trial.

Laterz,

[kwag]

Also, I really have not seen any difference at all with your 1 20 3 1 gop setting kwag, and it doesn't seem to effect the file size either.

Hi ZeppelinFan:

If you do a couple of minutes of low motion to medium motion ( not high motion! ) video, you'll see from 200KB to 300KB savings per minute ( or more ), as compared to the 1,5,2,1 GOP.

On fast motion, there will be no gain, and the file size will be the same as with 1,5,2,1, the default GOP.

So you get an average of about 250KB savings per minute.

And this space savings translates to 250KB * 120 minutes = 30MB less space per 2 hour movie.

This, of course, depends on the movie.

kwag

[kwag]

and kwag i have a questions and a request
first could you please create a template using your method for just a regular source file like divx downloads,etc.....
it seems that the one you're using is targeted more for dvdrips
am i wrong??

Hi y2flyy:

The template should accomodate any video material. Either AVI, MPEG-4 (DIVx ), or whatever TMPEG will take.

The only thing to keep in mind is that most DIVx movies are non-standard resolutions, and the aspect of the template must be adjusted acordingly.

Also if you have a DIVx with a smaller total pixel rate than the output of the template ( 352x480 ), don't expect this to look good.

If the input is smaller than the output of 352x480, then it's best to lower the output on the template to 352x240 ( 352x288 PAL ).

kwag

[y2flyy]

gotcha thanks man
Y2Flyy

[Deusxmachina]

When I did my MANY one-minute tests with Kwags template and the standard one, (and standard SVCD, too), Kwags template showed a clear difference in file size.

The first one-minute test I was doing was the boulder rolling down the hill into the pool from Sexy Beast. I don't have the exact sizes written down anymore, but it was some crazy stuff. The one minute using standard template and 352x480 and 70cq was like 7.4 megs or something. Kwag's template knocked that down to like 6.8. Those may not be the exact figures, but the difference for that particular one-minute clip was indeed 600k or so.

And yes, I knocked the audio down to 128 on the standard template.

Like I said, Kwag's template really surprised me. Too bad I can't use it except for x240 resolution.

[Manego1]

Hey, y2flyy or anybody else.. where can i download the older Windows Media Encoder? The newer one (doesnt even convert to .asf) and On-Demand Producer ( makers of Sonic Foundry ) gives me problems; such as when i converted an .avi ( Divx ) to .asf ( which converted fine ) and then tried to convert that into SVCD using King Viper's template, the .asf always freezes on me at around 1.20ish min. I want to try out the older Encoder, so if anybody could help out, please post a reply. thank you.

P.S. also, if anybody could help me out by posting any other good avi-asf converter program, please feel free to so

[Learner]

Capture at 352x480 so that you get both fileds.

Follow this artice for VHS capture:
http://www.divx-digest.com/articles/vhs_capture.html

And then apply the template to TMPEG.

Good morning all

Hi Kwag, Thanks for the article, after read it and do more searching I found out that my AVI file must be at least *x480, in order to get both fileds.

For some reason I can't setup my capture progams to take any x480 format with any codec setup. I am using vdub, avio, virtualVCR, iuVCR, video factory 2.... none of them take my setup. It's always bring back to *.240 after manually setup (default 320x240).

Is my AIW 128 card and winxp pro caused the problem? any1 have idea why?? do you recommend any capture program?

My computer is p3 933, 256mb, 40gb 7200rpm, ati aiw 128 agp, winxp pro

[kwag]

Capture at 352x480 so that you get both fileds.

Follow this artice for VHS capture:
http://www.divx-digest.com/articles/vhs_capture.html

And then apply the template to TMPEG.

Good morning all

Hi Kwag, Thanks for the article, after read it and do more searching I found out that my AVI file must be at least *x480, in order to get both fileds.

For some reason I can't setup my capture progams to take any x480 format with any codec setup. I am using vdub, avio, virtualVCR, iuVCR, video factory 2.... none of them take my setup. It's always bring back to *.240 after manually setup (default 320x240).

Is my AIW 128 card and winxp pro caused the problem? any1 have idea why?? do you recommend any capture program?

My computer is p3 933, 256mb, 40gb 7200rpm, ati aiw 128 agp, winxp pro

If you have a card that has a BT848 or BT878, you can download this:

http://btwincap.sourceforge.net

And capture at just about any resolution.

Hope this helps.

kwag

[kwag]

Here's a list of the samples that are up right now in the site.

bilbogod's Farscape Sample ( 30 seconds 352x288 PAL )
Rules of Engagement ( 15 seconds 352x480 NTSC )
The Princess Diaries ( 26 seconds 352x480 NTSC )
Hollow Man ( 30 seconds 352x480 NTSC )
Anime Cowboy Bebop ( 39 seconds 352x480 NTSC )( Note: NTSC template, but CQ=80 )
Red Planet ( 58 seconds 352x480 NTSC )
Geri's Game ( 29 seconds 352x480 NTSC )
Bug's Life ( 30 Seconds 352x480 NTSC )

Added today:
The Mummy Returns ( 17 Seconds 352x480 NTSC )

The latest is a 17 second full screen of "The Mummy Returns" right at the beginning wher the fight starts.

I can't say enough on that last one, because i think this is about one of the most difficult movies to encode, because of the action envolved.

kwag

[Bud]

Were all the samples taken from "Original DVD's"?. Is there some way of showing samples from Captured AVi or MPEG? Or from other sources like VHS Tapes etc?

Bud

[kwag]

Hi Bud:

They are DVD samples, as it's the second best source!.

I wish I had some original uncompressed footage ( MGM, Paramount, etc ) on Digital BETA or something like that to do a test, as that is THE prime material used in post-productions, etc.

I'm going to capture tonight something from my Satellite on my Panasonic DMR-E20 DVD-RAM something from say, HBO, and I'll convert it with the template and post it. So I'll be back in an hour or so.

That's about the best I can do for an analog S-Video capture.
But it will be a good comparison!

Later,
kwag

[Manego1]

ok, im trying to fit about 8 20 minute episodes ( supposedly 80mb for each episode ) on one cd in sVCD, but one problem. . . I cant even convert the .asf file to svcd for some gay reason.... i mean, i could, but only it freezes after a certain period of time. Either that, or it goes through the whole conversion with part of the video file encoded and all of the audio. Ive been trying to figure out this .asf - .mpg (svcd) thing for a couple days and can not get any results ( driving me crazy ). I wonder if im using the right codecs. . The conversion to .asf from .avi is no problem, but i wonder if that has to do with the freezing in tmpgenc. . .Im using Windows Audio V2, or something like that, and KS-mpeg4 codec to convert to .asf. . . and then when i used Kwag's Template, same thing. . freezing. . and then i used SVCD template that Tmpgenc gives you. . and then i used the VCD template. . and then. . King Viper's. . and then i used. . you get the point.Nothing works Ive tried everything. . but i need advice on how to successfully convert these Uncut unreleased english episodes of dbz to SVCD from .asf . . im lost, scared, frightened, confused, poisoned, asleep, petrified, combobulated. .someone help


Used both Sonic Foundry Stream Anywhere and Sonic Foundry On-Demand Producer to convert to .asf . . but its probably not even the .asf file thats the problem. . maybe its just TmpgEnc. . once again, i dont know . . havent tried Windows Media Encoder ( older version which is what Y2flyy is using, but i cant get a hold of the file ) .

[kwag]

Ok the HBO sample is up on the site.

Look for the "HBO Satellite Capture" on the site ( link below ).

The playback time is 30 seconds and file size almost 6MB.

This was captured from my old 4DTV Satellite Receiver ( it's 4 years old ), so it's not one of the new models.

Also the capture is via S-Video into DVD-RAM, and processed with the template, as-is, without filtering/deinterlacing/nothing, just changed framerate to match 29.97 as the source.

kwag

[ZeppelinFan]

Hi Manego1,

Why don't you just do it the easy way and just go from .avi through tmpgenc to .mpg, and then use easycd to burn them onto a svcd? Very simple really. 8) If you need some help there in which templete to use I will help ya there. But what you need to do first is make the episodes into one big file. Use Aviutl, and you can join them together and then once it all works well, then use Tmpgenc to change it to a .mpg file then use easycd to burn it to a svcd, or vcd which would be better, then you can fit them all onto 1 cd . Also if you need to, you can cut out anything from the videos then join them if need be.

ok, im trying to fit about 8 20 minute episodes ( supposedly 80mb for each episode ) on one cd in sVCD, but one problem. . . I cant even convert the .asf file to svcd for some gay reason.... i mean, i could, but only it freezes after a certain period of time. Either that, or it goes through the whole conversion with part of the video file encoded and all of the audio. Ive been trying to figure out this .asf - .mpg (svcd) thing for a couple days and can not get any results ( driving me crazy ). I wonder if im using the right codecs. . The conversion to .asf from .avi is no problem, but i wonder if that has to do with the freezing in tmpgenc. . .Im using Windows Audio V2, or something like that, and KS-mpeg4 codec to convert to .asf. . . and then when i used Kwag's Template, same thing. . freezing. . and then i used SVCD template that Tmpgenc gives you. . and then i used the VCD template. . and then. . King Viper's. . and then i used. . you get the point.Nothing works Ive tried everything. . but i need advice on how to successfully convert these Uncut unreleased english episodes of dbz to SVCD from .asf . . im lost, scared, frightened, confused, poisoned, asleep, petrified, combobulated. .someone help


Used both Sonic Foundry Stream Anywhere and Sonic Foundry On-Demand Producer to convert to .asf . . but its probably not even the .asf file thats the problem. . maybe its just TmpgEnc. . once again, i dont know . . havent tried Windows Media Encoder ( older version which is what Y2flyy is using, but i cant get a hold of the file ) .

I hope this helps.

Laterz,

[ZeppelinFan]

Kwag,

I can definitely see the difference in file size using the 1,20,3,1 gop setting. I can't seem to see a difference in the quality of the movie using this setting though which is good . Have you noticed any quality changes or maybe a skipping effect or anything from this setting? If so, then what were they and how often? And I would agree with ya on that mummy returns begining part, it sure is full of action and is a huge file size. This one will be ahrd one to get onto 1 cd if possible with any decent quality picture. LOL
Have you burned it yet and how many cds?

TTYL,

[kwag]

Kwag,

I can definitely see the difference in file size using the 1,20,3,1 gop setting. I can't seem to see a difference in the quality of the movie using this setting though which is good . Have you noticed any quality changes or maybe a skipping effect or anything from this setting? If so, then what were they and how often? And I would agree with ya on that mummy returns begining part, it sure is full of action and is a huge file size. This one will be ahrd one to get onto 1 cd if possible with any decent quality picture. LOL
Have you burned it yet and how many cds?

TTYL,

Hi ZeppelinFan:

The GOP changes don't increase the quality. They just reduce the file size.

As for "The Mummy Returns", it fits completely on a single CD, but the output has to be changed to VCD resolution of 352x240. At 352x480 it was almost 1GIG in size.

As for quality, it's better than VCD, because of the high bit rate you barely see blocks.

Looks just the same as the sample, but not as sharp, because of the lower resolution.

But I did that scene before, with the standard VCD template, and it was a worthless pile of macroblocks with almost no detail!.

kwag