HERE's HOW TO FIT 120mins movie on one cd in SVCD FORMAT!!!!

[baker]

I downloaded the templet on that site and tested it with a 5 min high action clip. But first i changed the size down to 352x288 from 352x576. The results were great. They looked very good on my 17" moniter and looked quite good on a 32" phillips widescreen. However everybody should note:

*DOWNLOAD THE TEMPLET ON THAT SITE, THE PREVIOUS ONE DIDN'T WORK!*

The previous one that was on the other site with the size already at 352x288 was fucked up, it didn't work. Simply download the new templet at 352x576 and change the resouloution. You will be amazed by the results!

Baker

[bilbogod]

It shows PAL, but where should this percentage figure be ??

[kwag]

Yes.
Forget the old yahoo briefcase site. I'll be deleting it in a few moments.

The new site is http://shidima.com/kwag

Thanks Baker,

kwag

[bilbogod]

Baker:-

You got me wondering now what the difference was between the two templates. You weren't trying my PAL settings yesterday on your N.T.S.C dvds were you??
I'm gonna have to download the new one and try it out.

[The Jackal]

So then guys what was the outcome of that little experiment?

[kwag]

It shows PAL, but where should this percentage figure be ??

I assume you used DVD2AVI. If it didn't show FILM, then your encoding was correct at 25 FPS. So this puzzles me!. I am not experienced in PAL, so I can't say what happened here. At least for NTSC I know that regular DVD movies are encoded FILM, which is 23.976 FPS, and the DVD players playback at 29.97.

Well thanks anyway. I can't make any PAL tests because I dont have a PAL DVD

Maybe it's because your DVD is a series, and not a regular movie DVD. Like the Stargate series DVD's on NTSC, I think they are also coded at 29.97 and not FILM.

Have you tried a regular PAL movie?

kwag

[bilbogod]

When you said that you had "noticed that" earlier, did you mean the poster referring to the skip problem or did you mean that you had actually seen the clip skip ??

Yeah I also encoded the Grinch before Farscape. It looked good, but not as impressive as Farscape....

[kwag]

Now I know what happened bilbogod.

I burned your farscape to CD-RW, and I played it in my Panasonic portable, and there it did jump about every second. But I tested the same CD-RW on my JVC player and it played perfectly.

So I guess it could be the media or my portable player that doesn't like 25 FPS.

I'll make some more tests later on other regular media.

kwag

[alekov]

Someone please help me! What template/settings should I use for playing back on Apex AD-1500?
I am lost. I guess it doesn't like kwag's template with the vbr... Anyone experienced out there, what are you using for the APEX?
I need good quality in less than 4 CDs...

Thanks,

alekov@prodigy.net

[kwag]

Someone please help me! What template/settings should I use for playing back on Apex AD-1500?
I am lost. I guess it doesn't like kwag's template with the vbr... Anyone experienced out there, what are you using for the APEX?
I need good quality in less than 4 CDs...

Thanks,

alekov@prodigy.net

Hi alekov:

Change the output to 352x240 and see if it works. If not, then the problem is VBR with the Apex.

If all fails, then go buy a new DVD player

Hell I did!. This template was my best excuse to get rid of my old Apex AD-600A So I went to the store with my xVCD sample and I tested different models to be sure they would play before I bought it. To my surprise, almost every model played. The Samsungs' bombed, every Panasonic I tried worked, most Sonys', JVC, Pioneer's played fine.

I figure that it's cheaper to have a DVD player that can play my 50+ single CD movies with full original chapter points and VCD++ quality ( hey, that sounds like a good name for the format! VCD++ ), than having a DVD player that I have to swap 2 standard VCD per movie and playback at a lower VCD quality!.

Just the way I think. 8)

kwag

[Bigswaffo]

actually the first template that kwag posted up here worked better than the others. i'm doing PAL and when i used the new template, the noise came back. with the old, the quality was a lot better and the filesize was smaller. i looked around and in the GOP structure, you changed it from 20 to 15. i thought that might be the reason. anyway, those are my results.

[kwag]

actually the first template that kwag posted up here worked better than the others. i'm doing PAL and when i used the new template, the noise came back. with the old, the quality was a lot better and the filesize was smaller. i looked around and in the GOP structure, you changed it from 20 to 15. i thought that might be the reason. anyway, those are my results.

Yo!, thanks Bigswaffo!. It's supposed to be 20!, I was fooling aroung with that value, and I forgot to set it back to 20.

I'll fix that temps tonight.

And yes it makes a big difference from 15 to 20 in final file size.

Thanks again,

kwag

[ZeppelinFan]

hey KWag,

Was just curious here. I am getting slightly cunfused here with these templetes. I downloaded the first one with the 1 20 3 1 settings. Now you have this new one which says it is a ntscfilm setting? now no one uses that anymore, so why would you have a templete of this for? Just seems weird to see this. Is this suppose to be a great templete above your other one? And also, the message you sent me about the settings, well vcdeasy burner says that 352x480 and 480x480 are both non film mpegs? Now am i suppose to turn off the "analyze mpeg files" or turn off "perform some mpeg compliace checks"? I didn't have to on this 1st movie i just burnt today(which was my very fisrt one by the way) and it works. But it is a 3 disk svcd of don't say a word. . I am assuming it is the 2nd one to turn off since it is your templete i am using and it isn't a standard compliace film. And another thing lol, in the tmpg advanced tab why is it in the video arrange method under it it always saying (greyed) 320x240 pixels? what does this mean and why can't we change this setting?

Mark

[kwag]

hey KWag,

Was just curious here. I am getting slightly cunfused here with these templetes. I downloaded the first one with the 1 20 3 1 settings. Now you have this new one which says it is a ntscfilm setting? now no one uses that anymore, so why would you have a templete of this for? Just seems weird to see this. Is this suppose to be a great templete above your other one? And also, the message you sent me about the settings, well vcdeasy burner says that 352x480 and 480x480 are both non film mpegs? Now am i suppose to turn off the "analyze mpeg files" or turn off "perform some mpeg compliace checks"? I didn't have to on this 1st movie i just burnt today(which was my very fisrt one by the way) and it works. But it is a 3 disk svcd of don't say a word. . I am assuming it is the 2nd one to turn off since it is your templete i am using and it isn't a standard compliace film. And another thing lol, in the tmpg advanced tab why is it in the video arrange method under it it always saying (greyed) 320x240 pixels? what does this mean and why can't we change this setting?

Mark

The template for NTSC has always been FILM 23.976 because most movies on DVD are FILM. Also the GOP structure in the template is 1,20,3,1 and I screwed up when I uploaded it as 1,15,3,1!. It's fixed again, as I explained a little while ago on a previous post.

On VCDEasy, you leave ON "analyze mpeg files" and turn OFF "perform some mpeg compliace checks".

This is because the resolution of 352x480 is non-standard. However, if you change the output of the template in TMPEG to 352x240, you can turn back ON the "perform some mpeg compliace checks". But I just leave this OFF all the time.

As for the grayed 320x240, you could change that by selecting center ( custom size ) in the Video Arrange Method. This would depend on your source.

The input source is something everyone will have to play with, and change, depending on what source is being fed to TMPEG.

As for "Don't say a word" movie, I did that last week and came out excelent on a single CD-R with all original chapters on it

kwag

[kwag]

Hi everyone!:

An NTSC 352x480 sample from "Red Planet" has been posted. It's 58 seconds long and 5.066MB filesize!.

Enjoy!.

[KingEightBall]

Kwag, could you please post a link to videoserver 0.92. I'm gathering up the software you use and I can't find this one.. Maybe I'm blind.

[kwag]

Kwag, could you please post a link to videoserver 0.92. I'm gathering up the software you use and I can't find this one.. Maybe I'm blind.

http://www.videotools.net

Videoserver 0.93 is the latest.

[ZeppelinFan]

kwag,

In dvd2avi, should we always use forced film or never use it? And also, should we use yuv 4 2 2 or rgb 24 bit? i always use forced and yuv. and what does gop mean ya know?

Mark

[kwag]

kwag,

In dvd2avi, should we always use forced film or never use it? And also, should we use yuv 4 2 2 or rgb 24 bit? i always use forced and yuv. and what does gop mean ya know?

Mark

go here:
http://www.doom9.org/mpg/dvd2avi2.htm

[Bud]

If I do a Capture with AIW ATI MMC 7.6 in the MPEG2 SVCD format can I use the Tempalte to convert it back down to fit on one CD? Or use Stinky's MMC Reg Tool Template for MMC 7.XX

Bud

[kwag]

If I do a Capture with AIW ATI MMC 7.6 in the MPEG2 SVCD format can I use the Tempalte to convert it back down to fit on one CD? Or use Stinky's MMC Reg Tool Template for MMC 7.XX

Bud

Sure!. Just remember to change the output resolution in the template to be the same as the resolution that you captured with the ATI.

[Bud]

What adjustments, if any, would I have to make to the original Kwag Template by bringing in a DV Avi Captured file? The current setting is via Adobe Premiere 6.0, Hollywood Bridge, set at the standard DV Avi of 720x480. Now the second question is what about a VirtualDub Capture set at 352x480m no compression? If anyone has a recommendation on a better AVI setting please let me know. Keeping in mind my end result would be a single CD for a quality VCD. The source for all this is a Digital Cable system via Firewire 1.5Ghz, 256Ram.

Bud

[baker]

I should say that i use completely pal settings pal vccds pal dvds pal svcds etc

Baker

[bilbogod]

yeah, hate to gloat but PAL efforts with the template seem to be noticeably better. Its a kinda twisted irony, that U.K. people get short changed on their region2's as compared to the extras laden region 1's. But the quality is higher on ours. Oh well, I suppose you cant have it both ways.

[baker]

yea pal is way way way better than nstc, nstc is crap. I don't live in the uk (thankfully! )

BAker

[kwag]

What adjustments, if any, would I have to make to the original Kwag Template by bringing in a DV Avi Captured file? The current setting is via Adobe Premiere 6.0, Hollywood Bridge, set at the standard DV Avi of 720x480. Now the second question is what about a VirtualDub Capture set at 352x480m no compression? If anyone has a recommendation on a better AVI setting please let me know. Keeping in mind my end result would be a single CD for a quality VCD. The source for all this is a Digital Cable system via Firewire 1.5Ghz, 256Ram.

Bud

First question:
Only adjust source aspect ratio in TMPEG after loading template.

Second question:
Capture with VirtualDub at 352x480 with the Huffy codec to save space. Then load the template, and adjust input source in TMPEG to get your correct output aspect ratio.

kwag

[Bud]

Kwag,

Many thanks for the quick response, I will let you know the results.....

Bud

[regjain]

Bilbogod,

I am a relative newbie and have been keeping an eye on this thread for a quite a while now.

I have a Pioneer DV 535 and it is not able to play VCD's produced by Kwag's template; the picture only occupies the left half of the screen.

I know that you can burn MPEG1 streams as SVCD so I have been trying that with some success. My first attempts on a wide screen movie produced video that was the correct width but was way too short in height. I have tried all PAL combinations of Aspect Ratio, Source Aspect Ratio and Video Arrange Method to determine that for me, an Aspect Ratio of 4:3 625 Line PAL, Source Aspect Ratio of 4:3 625 Line PAL and Video Arrange Method of Custom 352 x 430 burnt as an SVCD works. With this method I retain the excellent quality but the file size grows (I expected this!), I can only fit around 95 mins on to an 80 min CD.

Whilst performing all of these tests I have been burning them as VCD and SVCD. The VCD disks were always the same, the video only occupied the left half of the screen and the SVCD's worked fine. Yesterday I noticed that your PAL template was available from Kwag's website so I downloaded it and tried doing some tests with that as well. Same thing, VCD's only on the left, SVCD's worked fine but scrunched. I also downloaded the test MPG's that were on Kwag's site, burnt them as VCD and SVCD, the SVCD's were the correct width but scrunched; the VCD's were only occupying the left half of the screen apart from your Farscape clip. The farscape clip was perfect, full screen!

My question is, what did you do differently for your farscape clip?

I am particularly interested in your Video Size and Aspect Ratio's and your Advanced Video Source Settings and Video Arrange Method.

Would you mind posting another clip so that I can make sure that it was not a one off?!?!?

Some further information is:

Used Smartripper to rip the DVD, used DVD2AVI to frameserve into TMPGenc 2.53. (Pretty much following Sefy's guide, thanks Sefy!)

I have done everything in PAL. I also was annoyed about UK region 2 disks lacking additional features, so I moved to Australia where it is region 4, loads of extra features and PAL!

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[bilbogod]

First off the Farscape clip is the only one that I have posted, courtesy of Kwags website and PAL modified template. As far as I am aware the settings were as follows:-

object TMPEGConfigFile
MPEG.Text = ''
MPEG.WizardCategoryName = ''
MPEG.WizardSubFormatName = ''
MPEG.WizardCaption = ''
MPEG.WizardDescription = ''
MPEG.OutputStreamType = MPEG_OutputStreamType_System_VideoAudio
MPEG.OutputStreamType_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.StreamType = MPEGVideoEncoder_StreamType_MPEG1
MPEG.Video.StreamType_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.Width = 352
MPEG.Video.Width_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.Height = 288
MPEG.Video.Height_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.YUVFormat = 1
MPEG.Video.YUVFormat_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.DC_prec = 0
MPEG.Video.DC_prec_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.VideoEncodeMode = MPEGVideoEncoder_VideoEncodeMode_Progressive
MPEG.Video.VideoEncodeMode_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.FrameRate = 3
MPEG.Video.FrameRate_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.AspectRatio = 8
MPEG.Video.AspectRatio_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.RateControlMode = MPEGVideoEncoder_RateControlMode_CQ
MPEG.Video.RateControlMode_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.MaxBitRate = 0
MPEG.Video.MaxBitRate_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.MinBitRate = 0
MPEG.Video.MinBitRate_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.CBR_BitRate = 1150000
MPEG.Video.VBR_MultipassVBRAlgorithm = MPEGVideoEncoder_MultipassVBRAlgorithm_MultipassCQ
MPEG.Video.VBR_AvgBitRate = 1150000
MPEG.Video.VBR_MaxBitRate = 1150000
MPEG.Video.VBR_MinBitRate = 0
MPEG.Video.VBR_MaxPassCount = 2
MPEG.Video.VBR_Quality_P = 0
MPEG.Video.VBR_Quality_B = 20
MPEG.Video.VBR_EnablePadding = False
MPEG.Video.MVBR_MaxBitRate = 3000000
MPEG.Video.MVBR_MinBitRate = 0
MPEG.Video.MVBR_Quality_P = 0
MPEG.Video.MVBR_Quality_B = 20
MPEG.Video.MVBR_EnablePadding = False
MPEG.Video.AVBR_Quality = 50
MPEG.Video.AVBR_MaxBitRate = 3000000
MPEG.Video.AVBR_MinBitRate = 0
MPEG.Video.AVBR_EnablePadding = False
MPEG.Video.CQ_Quality = 70
MPEG.Video.CQ_Quality_P = 0
MPEG.Video.CQ_Quality_B = 20
MPEG.Video.CQ_MaxBitRate = 2300000
MPEG.Video.CQ_MinBitRate = 300000
MPEG.Video.CQ_EnablePadding = True
MPEG.Video.VBVBufferSize = 49152
MPEG.Video.VBVBufferSize_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.GOP_SeqHeaderInterval = 1
MPEG.Video.GOP_SeqHeaderInterval_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.GOP_I_FrameCount = 1
MPEG.Video.GOP_I_FrameCount_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.GOP_P_FrameCount = 20
MPEG.Video.GOP_P_FrameCount_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.GOP_B_FrameCount = 3
MPEG.Video.GOP_B_FrameCount_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.GOP_BitStreamForEdit = False
MPEG.Video.GOP_BitStreamForEdit_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.GOP_MaxFrameCount = 0
MPEG.Video.GOP_MaxFrameCount_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.QuantizeMatrix_Intra_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.QuantizeMatrix_NonIntra_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.Profile = 4
MPEG.Video.Profile_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.Level = 8
MPEG.Video.Level_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.VideoFormat = 2
MPEG.Video.VideoFormat_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.DisplayWidth = 0
MPEG.Video.DisplayWidth_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.DisplayHeight = 0
MPEG.Video.DisplayHeight_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.MotionSearchSpeed = MPEGVideoEncoder_MotionSearchSpeed_Normal
MPEG.Video.MotionSearch_AlwaysHalfPel = False
MPEG.Video.UseFloatDCT = True
MPEG.Video.QuantizeMode = False
MPEG.Video.QuantizeModeVal_Intra = 35
MPEG.Video.QuantizeModeVal_NonIntra = 35
MPEG.Video.YUVBasicYCbCr = False
MPEG.Video.QuantizeMatrix_Intra = {
081013161A1B1D22101016181B1D222513161A1B1D22222616 161A1B1D222528
161A1B1D202328301A1B1D202328303A1A1B1D22262E38451B 1D23262E384553}
MPEG.Video.QuantizeMatrix_NonIntra = {
10111213141516171112131415161718121314151617181913 14151617181A1B
14151617191A1B1C151617181A1B1C1E1617181A1B1C1E1F17 18191B1C1E1F21}
MPEG.Audio.StreamType = MPEGAudioEncoder_StreamType_MPEG1_Layer2
MPEG.Audio.StreamType_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Audio.SamplingFrequency = 48000
MPEG.Audio.SamplingFrequency_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Audio.ChannelMode = 1
MPEG.Audio.ChannelMode_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Audio.CantUseMono = False
MPEG.Audio.BitRate = 128000
MPEG.Audio.BitRate_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Audio.CalcCRC = False
MPEG.Audio.CalcCRC_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Audio.OriginalFlag = False
MPEG.Audio.OriginalFlag_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Audio.CopyrightFlag = False
MPEG.Audio.CopyrightFlag_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Audio.PrivateFlag = False
MPEG.Audio.PrivateFlag_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Audio.EmphasisType = 0
MPEG.Audio.EmphasisType_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.System.StreamType = MPEGSystemEncoder_StreamType_MPEG1_VideoCD_Illegal
MPEG.System.StreamType_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.System.CommentText = ''
MPEG.System.EnableCommentText = False
end

The source material was a PAL 4:3 (pan + scan) not widescreen region 1 DVD. Non-Interlace progressive was selected for the output, video stream is mpeg 1, size is 352 x 288 pixels, aspect ratio 4:3 625 line PAL, motion search precision normal,bottom field first, source aspect ratio was 4:3 625 line PAL 704 x 576. Video arrange method is Fullscreen Keep Aspect Ratio, system stream type Mpeg1 videocd nonstd.
Hope some of this helps.......

[regjain]

Thank's for the excellent information Bilbogod.

Now I know why your Farscape clip worked on my DVD player and Kwag's clips didn't. In the Video tab of settings, you have the size set to 352 x 288 whereas Kwag uses 352 x 576. I thought the whole bases of this way of producing high quality low MB mpg's was to double the height of the output video? Half D1??????

Are you getting the quality and size because of the modified GOP structure?

N.B. When I refer to Kwag's template, I mean his NTSC template that I modifed to PAL.

Tonight I will try the settings you have just posted.

Thanks again,

Reg.