HERE's HOW TO FIT 120mins movie on one cd in SVCD FORMAT!!!!

[Corta2863]

I'm trying the original method for SVCD as we speak, but windows media encoder is really slow at converting to an *.asf. It only goes real time, which I want faster.(I want to start converting it into an mpeg tonight) Is there anyway to increase the speed of encoding?

Thanks in advance!!!

[monarc_2000]

can anyone answer my question....please??..i can't get win media tools 4.1 to convert any of my divx files to asf..i'm following the guide on this site to the letter and it still wont work....all i keep getting is a 657kb asf that doesnt open to anything.

[kwag]

I finally got a site for the samples.

http://shidima.com/kwag

@bilbogod

I put your FarScape sample as the first one.

Right now it''s the only sample posted. Tomorrow I'll post a couple more, together with the template. Both for NTSC and for PAL.

Enjoy the samples and have fun encoding!,

kwag

[kwag]

can anyone answer my question....please??..i can't get win media tools 4.1 to convert any of my divx files to asf..i'm following the guide on this site to the letter and it still wont work....all i keep getting is a 657kb asf that doesnt open to anything.

Why do you want to convert to an inferior format?

Why don't you convert to MPEG-1 VCD or xVCD so that you can play your converted divx files in a standard DVD player?.

[monarc_2000]

i've already been doing standard mpeg-1 vcds for a while..i just want to try out y2flyy's method of getting a smaller mpeg file size by converting to asf first...the only problem is i can't get media encoder to work properly.

[vhelp]

kwag or bilbogod,

I tried your template with TMPG 2.53, but NO GO!!

I used a nice slowwww scene DVD source, "Dogma"[1] and it came out looking pretty bad. Kindof worse than my usually encoded tests in VCD format. I tried using a slow scene so it would be easy the first time around.

I've tried really hard to figure out why I didn't get the same or near to what bilbogod's sample clip was.

Ok, HISTORY, based on bilbogod's template:
----------------------------------------------------
* I tried using template as is, results = not good
* I altered template's, ie, 25fps to 23 and 29, results = not good
* I used filters for color and sharp ( min. ) results = not good
* I used NO filters, results = not good
* I tried an ATI-TV Wonder captured[2] source @ 720x480 I saved, results = no good

In short, I got nowheres near bilbogod's sample clip, all 7sec's worth

Don't get me wrong, I gave it a good working over. If I missed something, please let me know, as I'm willing to give it another shot.
So, if you got any questions, I'm all ears.

Oh, one thing I did notice was that the bitrate was pretty low, compared to my previous usual encodes.
So, I didn't think a sample was worth my posting it up.

-vhelp

** "no good" meaning "quality"
[1] "Dogma" is in letterbox format, not "fullscreen", as bilbogod's sample clip was in
[2] quality of this captured source was excellent

Other versions I tried template with was, 12a, 12d, 12i and 2.50

[vhelp]

kwag,

Your sample d/l is bailing out on me.

I'll try and d/l it again. @ 4.8k speed

-vhelp

[ZeppelinFan]

Hey Kwag,
I am very new at all this. But do I have to use nero to burn my cds? I have Adaptec Easy CD Creator 4 and I don't think it is working for making these movies to be able to play in my stand alone dvd player or my windvd player. Also, this may seem like a dumb question but, when I burn a cd-r shouldn't I be able to play the cd with windvd? Cause I can't seem to get it to play the movies. I mean I can use windows media player to play the .mpg files just fine but doesn't seem like windvd supports .mpg files.

Mark

[ZeppelinFan]

Hey everyone!

I been reading this forum here and some good info here. I would like to mention something here.
If anyone here would like to swap movies let me know, I have tons of DVD .avi's. I have cable so it would only take a few hours to swap files if you have highband. Well, figured I would throw that out there.
TTYL

Mark

[kwag]

kwag,

Your sample d/l is bailing out on me.

I'll try and d/l it again. @ 4.8k speed

-vhelp

Download from here:

http://shidima.com/kwag

[baker]

I downloaded dildogods mpeg test and it was great, However my results using the latest version of tmpegen are nowhere near that.

I THINK YOU UPLOADED THE WRONG TEMPLET!!!

Thats the only way u can be getting this quailty and we aint!

Baker

[vhelp]

Morning all.

ok, i was finlly able to d/l the smaple clip over on Kwag's website.
I viewed the sample and thought it was in very good quality for a vcd.

From what I could tell, it was a PAL version., 25fts/352x288,bla,bla

* bitrate view showed Peak: 1216, and Ave. 660
as you can see from the pic below:


I haven't ben able to get ANY of my clips like the above "farscape.mpg"
sample. So, basically, I don't know what's going on. It could just be
hogwash, being that I tried it so many times and on various sources,
ranging from DVD to very good captures from my Satalete on very
clean sources using 720x480 resolutions. On one of my clean captures,
I ran a "PEVER" commercial from Directv. If any of you's seen it, it's a
very clean clip. Done the capture several months ago with my ATI-TV
Wonder card.
I also ran a few of my DV cam captures through this template in various
settings as well. NO GO! quality still not able to be reached close to
"farscape.mpg" sample.

So, I gotta say, either the claim is true, or else it's false, and after running
many combinations of settings w/ highly talked (raved) about template,
it's a fake! Or else someone here please correct me, or show me in steps
where I went wrong.
* I used TMPG 2.53 cause that's what was used/recommended.
* Basically I loaded in the template (used the pal and ntsc settings)
* burned with ner (VCD) in "non-compliance" mode
* played "farscape.mpg" sample in powerdvd, windvd, quality very good.
* played "farscape.mpg" sample and watched on my tv, via ad-1500, very
good quality.

Well, the above is my HONEST comments/results that I performed.

As always, thank you all for your support.
-vhelp

[Bigswaffo]

yea, i got the sample too and it looked great and like the others said, it's nowhere near the quality i get. i asked earlier about the soften block noise, could that be it? that's the only variable i can think of.

[kwag]

Lets clear something here for everyone saying that it can't be done or it's a fake template, etc...

A standard one minute mpeg VCD is about 10 megabytes. period. This would be a constant bit rate of 1150Kbps and audio at 224khz.

Now just think for a minute. If bilbogod's clip, that he indeed generated with the template I posted, is so good ( actually it is better than a VCD )

THEN HOW THE HELL DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT HIS SAMPLE IS ALMOST
**** ONE MINUTE LONG **** BUT THE FILE SIZE IS **** 5 MEGABYTES ****

I'm sorry, but I had to yell, to wake up some people here that just like to "swim against the current".

Just look at the posted message above regarding the bitrateviewer and see for yourself.

kwag

[vhelp]

kwag,

it's alright to yell, if you like

Anyways, I'm more for the quality and not the size. Size to me,
comes later, via the "rate control mode" setting, cqvbr, cq, vbr, etc.

I feel that TMPG 2.53 has definately improve (at least for VCD's) as we
all can tell in encodes we (or I) have done since yesterday. And, I didn't
need to use the template either.

And as for the GOP settings via the so called "template" settings of
1.20.3.1.0.[].[].[], well, you don't have to use 20.3 to get these
low bitrate value. 5.2 is just as good! I didn't notice anything magical
about the 20.3 GOP setting. So, as for the template, I think it was NOT
what gave the poster the great looking VCD, but rather the quality
of the DVD source itself that actually came out on top, he, he... And also,
it was a PAL version. I've noticed that PAL version DVD's are somewhat
better quality all around. Again, in the DVD movie "Dogma", the NTSC is
not as good quality as the PAL version. I've seen them both! Colors on
this DVD movie was different and more truer (according to the box) the
colors match the box's picturs. Really.

Anyways, I think that the poster's "DVD" was a coensidence! he, he...
and, he used it to promote the template, giving you the leverage on the
bitrate numbers. Yes, those numbers are true. I agree! ...seen
them w/ mine own eye, he, he... but as for the quality of that VCD
sample, well, I don't know what the poster's actuall settings were.

But, as far as I'm concirned, YES, the bitrate are correct for any VCD
encode you use w/ TMPG 2.53. It's ben optimised or something. It's
better! But, not the template. The template in this instance is pretty
meaningless here!

Just use these values for VCDs CQ.70.2300-.300.[x].0.20 and you'll
have a smaller VCD, but not good quality unless your DVD source is
top notch as in the sample clip. That's it!! Period. Magic is gone!
So, nothing false, other than the sneaky screw thrown in, he, he...
So, no yelling!

The above is my honest opinions/comments.

-vhelp

[baker]

Right, Kwag i am certainily not saying you or dildogod are lying but that you must have posted the wrong templet by accident cause as everyone here has already stated that the templet you uploaded aint working. I have tested it myself and have seen that. So check it and make sure you are correct.

Baker

[kwag]

Just use these values for VCDs CQ.70.2300-.300.[x].0.20 and you'll
have a smaller VCD, but not good quality unless your DVD source is
top notch as in the sample clip. That's it!! Period. Magic is gone!
So, nothing false, other than the sneaky screw thrown in, he, he...
So, no yelling!

The above is my honest opinions/comments.

-vhelp

Sorry to dissapoint you vhelp. Just make a 2 minute clip with the standard GOP 1,5,2,1 and then make the same clip at 1,20,3,1.

You'll see at least 200kB to 300Kb per minute are saved with the optimized GOP.

When you multiply 200KB times the lenght of your movie, it just happens to translate to around 25+ megabytes on a 2 hour movie. And that's a space savings. Plus you also get slightly better quality than the standard GOP sequence.

kwag

[kwag]

Right, Kwag i am certainily not saying you or dildogod are lying but that you must have posted the wrong templet by accident cause as everyone here has already stated that the templet you uploaded aint working. I have tested it myself and have seen that. So check it and make sure you are correct.

Baker

I am 10000000% sure because I get the same results that bilbogod gets. So I know that he is using it correctly.

More samples will be posted later today. I will post a message here when they are up. And I will also try to make a readme file with the complete procedure step-by-step so that everyone gets the same results.


Later,
kwag

[scissors]

Thought i'd just pop in.

It's amazing. The moderator of this furom was SO vocal when this thread started.

Yet now the thread has drifted a million miles from it's subject title where is he? But then again he had real problems understanding what the subject matter was about anyway

Surely this thread needs killing, or renaming?

I suggest "my guides better than your method, nar, nar, nar ,nar nar"

I BET Shizzon has a better suggestion

[y2flyy]

*disregard scissors
i made a slight misconceptional error
i thought you were someone else who repeatadly stated negative things

[scissors]

hey scissors have you even tried my method for fitting up to 120mins on one svcd
I thought so
so shut the hell up

you have a short memory - i was the one person who originally supported you.

A shame my last message did a red arrow flypass on you.

thus you reveal you are between 12 and 18 years old, shame, you seemed ok.

[Trailryder]

Kwag,
A read-me file would be great, thanks dude. I've converted 4 0r 5 AVI movies so far with varying results.

Decided yesterday that if I'm gonna be doing this, I'm gonna have to have a faster processor, so I got an Athlon 1800xp and bought another Hardrive with 80gig of storage. Also got a DVD-Rom.

I'm set now. Hopefully no more 5-7 hour converts. Thanks to all you guys that post your templates and other info. Definately makes learning and understanding this stuff much easier and less time consuming.

[y2flyy]

gosh darnit scissors
lol
very sorry about that you're right you did support me and what i was trying to let ppl know
i guess I took you message the wrong way
i thought you were referring to me
but by the way im 21 computer engineering major far from a teenager
but you're right my reply reflected that of a young one
sorry again bud
Y2Flyy

[bilbogod]

Hey, what the hell is this talk about fake stuff ?? Cheeky sods !!! I think fake was definately the wrong word to use here. Whilst secretly I think that Kwag is that Mr Hori (TMPGenc Dude), I'm certainly no David Blaine with encoding. Hell, I only got my first p.c last October and am constantly learning. I've got absolutely NO idea why that clip looks so good. I couldn't believe my own eyes when I first saw it. As for the template I uploaded I did recreate it really quickly with my adjusted PAL settings, so I'll double check it in case I made any mistakes. Just in case anyone has got the same dvd, it is Farscape episodes 1.05 1.06 1.07. But I guess it must be emphasized that this is in PAL format which should be of a significantly higher quality than N.T.S.C. It would be good to get feedback from people who tried the templates when working with PAL dvds.
p.s I'm a 25 year old student if it matters to anyone about our ages

[kwag]

As I promised earlier, the site is up, with four samples.

bilbogod's sample ( thanks bilbogod! ):
Farscape - ( 352x288 PAL Full Screen ) 30 sec. 5MB

My samples:
Rules of engagement - ( 352x480 NTSC Wide Screen ) 15 sec. 2.23MB

The princess diaries - ( 352x480 NTSC Full Screen ) 31 sec 4.56MB

Hollow Man - ( 352x480 NTSC Wide Screen Anamorphic ) 30 sec. 2.9MB

Get them HERE: > http://shidima.com/kwag <

A friend is currently doing an anime sample. Will be posted later today.

Enjoy!

[baker]

Why isn't kwags templet on that site? I can only get dildogods at the minuit and thats definetly not working for me.

Baker

[kwag]

Why isn't kwags templet on that site? I can only get dildogods at the minuit and thats definetly not working for me.

Baker

bilbogod's template is the same. The only changes are that all NTSC parameters must be changed to PAL.

I will post later on two templates. One for NTSC, and anotherone for PAL users.


BTW, there is a difference from a dildo to a bilbo, so check your writing Baker

kwag

[Bigswaffo]

hey kwag, i downloaded the rules of engagement sample and it's good. earlier i posted that 352x480 doesn't look good. it's stretched. the sample is perfect. did you have borders? i put the 352 as the width and the 480 as the height. Or is it in the aspect ratios?

[bilbogod]

Hi folks,
Cheers for putting my template on your site Kwag. Hopefully people will be able to access these new samples easily. I'm just trying a few tests at the moment . Btw ..that sample I sent was 4.89Mb for 50 seconds and not 5.00Mb for 30secs as previously stated.
My results for the Grinch which I created before Farscape were very good although not brilliant like the Farscape clip. Just running a few more tests to see what happens on other files.
Kwag you have got to get this template emailed to Baldrick to gain permanent attention on the site. It would be interesting to see what the moderators made of the clips.....
Baker - I would get my name changed if Baldrick will allow me, to "Trakripper". A bit pretentious I guess, but hey its better than Bilbogod or Dildogod.....

[ZeppelinFan]

Hey Kwag,

I posted this earlier today but got no response from you.

I am very new at all this. But do I have to use nero to burn my cds? I have Adaptec Easy CD Creator 4 and I don't think it is working for making these movies to be able to play in my stand alone dvd player or my windvd player. Also, this may seem like a dumb question but, when I burn a cd-r shouldn't I be able to play the cd with windvd? Cause I can't seem to get it to play the movies. I mean I can use windows media player to play the .mpg files just fine but doesn't seem like windvd supports .mpg files.
Also, I dled nero and used it and burnt a copy of a .mpg but it said it wasnt a standard complance vcd so i disabled it. But my standalone dvd player doesnt support non standard vcds. And also, who doesn't windvd work using this cd? I noticed it has .... 5 sub directories a cdi, ext, mpegav, segment (which is empty), and a vcd, does this sound right? there is no .mpg on the cd. I suppose that is right? what extension file does dvds use to execute the dvd? vcd? I am thinking, .dat? whish is the largest file on the cd.
Well, if you can help here it would be great.

Mark