HERE's HOW TO FIT 120mins movie on one cd in SVCD FORMAT!!!!

[kwag]

Boink:

I forgot to tell you in the previous post, that you have to turn OFF ( uncheck ) "Perform some MPEG compliance checks" on VCDEasy, so that the program will accept your mpeg file.

kwag

[boink]

@kwag
I will try to download your sample 'Geri's game' tomorrow at work.
My connection at home is to slow.

Wonder if I will get any problem with the NTSC format?

I will let you know the result tomorrow.

boink

[baker]

@ boink

Do u have sky digital?

Cause i have some questions to ask.

Baker

[baker]

I tried the templet and it looked crap!!! I really will have to d/l the samples as they are the only thing i can reference on.

Maybe i was right about the crap quailty.

Baker

[KingEightBall]

Haha. Very entertaining thread.

So Far.... I just joined the forum 20 minutes ago and this is the first thing I read. I was compelled to read it start to finish.

My thinking is that the original poster meant only to point out a technique he "Fluked Off" was excited by the results and was good enough to take time out of his day to sit at his computer and share his findings.

Someone was quick to disbelieve without trying, and said so.

Someone else, misunderstanding the intention of the original poster took offence and spoke his mind.

The original poster took the comments to heart and was way too offended.

A decent soul came to the defence of the original poster, because he saw what was happening, (even though it was overblown) was wrong. [You got to admire a guy with the balls to stand with a guy who's down against the masses.]

and somewhere in this whole mele was 'scissors'...hahaha! Clearly, 'scissors' has a lot of knowledge about whats being said here.
His posts are fact filled and accurate. But a glance at the header of this Forum may indicate that this person really likes the sound of his own voice. (typing) HAHA..
He has a line which says "I'm no expert" but clearly he fancies himself the messiah of format conversion. On the one hand he tells the original poster that what he's saying is impossible, then midstream he jumps on another horse, ( probably after he found out it works) and said, "Hey, I know it can work, but that's not the issue! I was talking bout quality and what size will fit what screen, and what format will compress to what size and heres how it's done, and you are dorks..and....HAHAHAHAHAHHAa!

Did you ever see Saturday Night Live? The one where the new kid Plays Nick the Computer Guy? Hahahaha... Thats who I picture Scissors as when I read this thread... I'm just waiting for him to scream "MOVE!"

And finally, the moderator threatens to shut down the thread.
For one thing, I'll bet it's the most read thread for the nextt few days, for another, youmight have shut it down before the "***K Yourselves "comment. Haha... That one is like Colonel Klink telling Hogan there was going to be a lockdown!

Anyway... it had the potential to be an excellent thread. I'm guessing some of the posters are around 16 years old, so, that's to be expected. I thank the original poster for sharing the discovery. But you need to get less sensitive.
I thank Scissors for the intelligent and informative part of his posts, but you seriously need to grow up.
I thank all the 'bystander' posters for their positive informative input.
I thank the moderator for his informative comments, but maybe 'moderator' is a loosely termed description in this particular example. Spectator might be more appropriate. I'm sure its just one thread that got away from you. I respect the fact that you give the time to make a forum like this possible.

No hard feelings. You've all dished it out in one way or another. These are merely the way an outsider sees it based on what you've written to and about each other. You are big boys, if I didn't think you could take it, I wouldn't have said it.
hahahahahahaha! ...................................You kill me...:)
Eightball

[bilbogod]

Err, dude.....I think its your round....... I'll have a beer thanx.......

[Bud]

Bartender make that a double please............ye ole Rum .........

[cybermage26]

Id have to agree that my outputted files arent looking that good..
Files I have converted are not from DVD source, but are averagely high quality-ish yah.

The file sizes Im getting are pretty big, and the quality not so good.. is there something Im missing here? I got TMPG 2.53 and all.

Maybe just coz Im not converting from a DVD source, eh?

Some of your suggested settings are very interesting and I may have a fiddle with them when I get the time to see If I can produce something myself.

[bilbogod]

I haven't tried Kwags template on anything other than DVD source, but I must admit that the Farscape movie looked comparitively better than The Grinch.
Btw- I noticed that there is a tendency in the forums for people to rate the quality of their encodes based on what it looks like on their p.c. Personally I find most stuff played on my p.c monitor looks crap anyway. For the record I view on a 19inch 22 year old 50Hz t.v which I guess can make a considerable difference.
As for my templates I have none. The clip that I'll try to put online later is from Kwags template modified to 25fps PAL settings 4:3 (non-interlace progressive) res 352 x 288.
The time for me right now is nearly 5.00 in the morning and I have an assignment deadline to meet in just a few hours. Sob It's a hard life being a student. Pass me another Bud will you

[y2flyy]

GREAT post KINGEIGHTBALL
though I agreed with alot you siad I DOnt understand where I was being sensitive or whatever
I just wanted the so called experts to try it and shut up about what it looks like and all that stuff before they even give it a shot
because it work for me and alot others and was very good quality
what else could I have said to get my point across
and this is to the ppl that is saying that kwag's temp is only good for dvd source
well i havent done one with a dvd source file just regular d/l movies
and the quality is noticably better than a regular vcd
i to had some probs at first b/c the temp was complicated a little it you have to divert
but when i got it perfect it works perfect for vcd
Y2Flyy

[monarc_2000]

does anyone know of another encoder that can convert divx to asf? i've tried windows media tools 4.1 but it doesn't seem to be able to convert divx files...and yes i've followed the tutorial on this site to the letter and it still won't work..i've only got it to convert one divx file so far and it fails on everything else.

[bilbogod]

At last!!!!!!!! Shit I'm gonna get my arse kicked If I get caught doing this at uni LOL

Heres the clip:-

http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bilbogod

Go into the my documents folder and then select the farscape clip. Its probably best to right click and then select target to save.

Enjoy.........

Look forward to reading the comments when I get home later

[cybermage26]

Hey bilbo.
Just downloaded your sample clip and the verdict is ....

EXCELLENT!

wow that looks really good.
150 mins on 1 CD lol thats an accomplishment.

I'll have to have another look at Kwags template, maybe Im doing something wrong lol.

[cybermage26]

hmmm, kwags template takes waaay to long to encode on my old box. The manualVBR seems to be the cause.

Looks like I will stick with my old trusty templates for now.

[Bud]

bilbogod


Your sample looks very good, is there some way of getting your templates via e-mail or on the net somewhere.

Bud

[bilbogod]

Hi,
Yeah I'll try to upload that template into the briefcase account as well. Not sure really why it takes you so long to encode with it Cyberimage?? Seemed reletaively quick on my system. Amd Athlon 1.2Ghz 256SDRAM approx 41/2 hours for total cd + however long it took to create the mp2 audio files which I've forgotten.

[bilbogod]

O.k. template should be in the briefcase account now. Just a couple of things though. Firstly the setting will still be on output 4:3 so change accordingly. The format is in PAL 25fps not n.t.s.c and the audio is set at 48Khz. For those using an old soundcard or dvdplayer it may not like it so adjust it back to the 44.1. Finally the enviromentsl option is chequered for it to output the wav file through Toolame. I actually encoded my audio seperately to the movie which whilst sync issues can occur seemed to work better for me than encoding it at the same time. You just have to remeber to remux back in vcd-nonstd.
Thats it, I take no credit, its all Kwags work....Have to buy the guy a beer next time he's in town

[Bud]

In order to make your template compatible with NTSC format what would I have to change in the Template? I’m not up on all the factors involved yet; I won’t have a problem with doing the edit on the template. I did try Kwags Template and they are good with one very minor problem, some blockness in some sceens, nothing to get excited about, I do watch these on a 61" Sony so it may be just my large TV and the fact that I can "See" more errors in my VCD's than I would on a smaller TV. Many thanks in advance.

[wackypixi]

Ok this is wildly amusing and pretty lame.
Jeez!!! Moderators are even dissing this guy and threatening to lock the channel if the tone doesnt change! Will somebody please just try it!!!!??? And all the dissing can stop! All the guy is doing is saying "this is what I did- can you do it?" and everyone goes "impossible you are lying! you make us mad!" lame and pathetic. The proper response is to either a.) try it and comment on your experience OR b.) shut up. Now off I go to try it. Everyone who has contributed useful info and not just slagged the guy- thank you. Everyone else- choose either a or b.

[kwag]

O.k. template should be in the briefcase account now. Just a couple of things though. Firstly the setting will still be on output 4:3 so change accordingly. The format is in PAL 25fps not n.t.s.c and the audio is set at 48Khz. For those using an old soundcard or dvdplayer it may not like it so adjust it back to the 44.1. Finally the enviromentsl option is chequered for it to output the wav file through Toolame. I actually encoded my audio seperately to the movie which whilst sync issues can occur seemed to work better for me than encoding it at the same time. You just have to remeber to remux back in vcd-nonstd.
Thats it, I take no credit, its all Kwags work....Have to buy the guy a beer next time he's in town

Hey bilbogod, thanks!. I downloaded your clip and it looks perfect. Maybe some people will finally agree that the quality is, indeed, above a VCD.

What's your source? DVD, Captured AVI?.

But why did you change the audio to 48Khz?. VCD are 44.1 standard. 48Khz will make your file larger. Just a thought.

Anyway, I have some new suggestions and the quality is even BETTER and the size a little smaller than the current template. I think this should be posted under an advanced topic, but I will post it here, because the thread has attracted many people, and this is where they'll looking for answers.

I downloaded the program FitCD, and this program opens a project file generated by DVD2AVI, a .d2v file. This is a very advanced topic, so I'm just going to point out the benefits, and let you all go read the doc's or whatever on the actual details.

When you open the project file with FitCD, you can generate a .avs script for AviSynth, which is the file that you then open with TMPEG. The advantage to this is that the resizing is PERFECT, and you don't get jagged edges on diagonal lines on your mpeg file!.

At least for 352x480, the percent of resize error is 0. For 352x240, there is a small error.

The other good thing is that the .avs file it generates, let's you turn on the Temporal Smoother. So your file is de-noised somewhat, and it's better that the internal TMPEG noise filter. At least you don't suffer from speed loss as in TMPEG's internal noise filter.

Give it a shot!. I liked the results better than frameserving through XMPEG, of even reading directly from the .avs file with TMPEG.

The AviSynth script file ( the .avs ) can be very complex, but if you want the best quality this is the way to go!.

Here's the homepage of FitCD
http://mitglied.lycos.de/fitcd/

The program comes with a readme that contains some information in detail as to what I just mentioned above.

And bilbogod, I'll take that beer, but not over a dinner, because I'll wonder if you'll be serving HumanBeef for food...

Have fun!.

kwag

[Bud]

Some of the folks may have mis-read my recent post:

"I did try Kwags Template and they are good with one very minor problem, some blockness in some sceens, nothing to get excited about, I do watch these on a 61" Sony "

This only implies that the minor blocks are good for me.....again I watch this on a very large TV so everything shows up in greater detail. All the work being done by the experts are great.........I wish had the expertise these guys have.........

Bud

[baker]

That clip is way too big. You should have made it about 10-15 seconds.

Baker

[kwag]

That clip is way too big. You should have made it about 10-15 seconds.

Baker

5 megabytes is not bad for almost one minute playback!.

[vhelp]

TGIF all

bilbogod,

Hay, but I can't even D/L you clip! ! !

At work, I tried on my very fast connect, but 0.1k transfer - took almost 20min to d/l only 2k of it.

What a bummer! ...anyways.

And, here at home, It's worse, ...oops, it just cancelled on me. I'll try
one more time. I'm only curious about the clips, as I'm looking for samples of other people's work.

Later on.
-vhelp

[bilbogod]

Baker said:-

That clip is way too big. You should have made it about 10-15 seconds.

Well as any good "Baker" will tell you, you can't have your cake and eat it. If I had done a 10 sec clip there could of been accusations of picking the best looking 10secs I could find. Face it dude, its humble pie a plenty for you tonight

Vhelp - whats up with that connection of yours?? Something seems funny there. Keep trying, maybe you were stuck in a queue

Kwag-, Good work mate. I'm gonna have to learn this Avisynth stuff, as I for one am pig ignorant over it. Should be fun as I've now got five weeks off for Easter and only 12,000 essay words to write. As for the source it was a dvd. As far as I was aware, keeping it as 48Khz is what dvd's are played at and downsampling or not shouldn't make any difference to filesize. If this is wrong then I will happily stand corrected. In fact I'm gonna experiment tomorrow night. My reasons for not downsampling were purely to do with eliminating that irritating aliasing whistle that TMPGenc produces when it gets its paws on that part of the audio.

Bud - 61inch T.V !!! Did you get a free extension on your house with that ??

[Bud]

bilbogod

It's amazing how much room you have when you get the wife out the way......sometimes divorce can be fun............

Bud

[vhelp]

bilbogod,

currently, the d/l is at 359k, of 5011k (at 0.1k/sec) . . .

time left: 10:01:23

[][][] . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7%

Que my shoe, he, he.. .. ..

Well, I'm screwing around with Mummy Returns, so later on.


-vhelp

[Bigswaffo]

hey, i believe i posted it here, a filterchain for virtualdub that gets rid of all the noise. the avi that it creates is excellent, but when i run it through TMPGEnc, blocks come back. i use the block noise filter to 35. should i set it higher? what settings does everybody use here?

[vhelp]

y2flyy/scissors/kwag, and then, bilbogod,

In reference to your sample clip (bilbogod) it was great!
I mean, it was awsome! though it was slow-mo, i mean, non-fast action
scene, ...still, it was great!

I suppose this template would be great for thing like
TV stuff, like talk shows, and others to name a few. I dont know about
fast motion and all. I'd have ta test that out. And, I will, he, he...

But, I only saw your sample (bilbogod) and I'd be a bit hasting to, well, you know. Anyways, I've gotta try it out myself to see what I can get out of
all this "template" stuff floating around this thread.

bilbogod, I only got 770k worth before it bailed out. it actually played
via media player". I was reading a thread and it popped up. But I got a
good 7 seconds worth of it to make this statement (post) here.
So, good work you and kwag/scissors/y2k...

Thanks for all your hard work. And, yes, you can bet I'll be back here
giving you all MY final thoughts from MY experience on this template.

Look for a sample clip from me via my storage. If it's good, you will have
the chance to D/L from my 20MB account at faster speeds than my 0.1k ...LOL
So, be on the look out!! he, he.... Oh, any suggestions on a scene to use as
the test sample for my posting, via DVD ? ? ?

As always, expect an HONEST comment or too from me

Keep up the support guys!

-vhelp

[kwag]

I suppose this template would be great for thing like
TV stuff, like talk shows, and others to name a few. I dont know about
fast motion and all. I'd have ta test that out. And, I will, he, he...

-vhelp

Remember the template is set for a MAX bit rate of 2,300Kbps, so on a high speed scene, the bit rate it will go up there!.

I'm trying to set up a site to put samples. The briefcase at Yahoo sucks!.
I think they limit the bandwidth. I have noticed the problem too.


kwag